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Posted: 11/22/2011 5:20:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:23:11 AM EDT
Lets leave out something important from the story

Reininger posted $100,000 bail and was released from the county jail four days after his arrest. He did not return to New Jersey, but was told the trial would happen without his presence. The two-day long trial was held in Flemington in August 2010 before Superior Court Judge Stephen Rubin.


Faced with those kinds of charges, you'd want to show up for your trial. Little sympathy for anyone who fails to do even that.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:23:56 AM EDT
FUCK NJ

Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:27:22 AM EDT
I don't travel to states that don't respect my rights.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:27:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By h3smith:
Lets leave out something important from the story

Reininger posted $100,000 bail and was released from the county jail four days after his arrest. He did not return to New Jersey, but was told the trial would happen without his presence. The two-day long trial was held in Flemington in August 2010 before Superior Court Judge Stephen Rubin.


Faced with those kinds of charges, you'd want to show up for your trial. Little sympathy for anyone who fails to do even that.


One would think you would show up. A good defense attorney would have probably gotten him off due to FOPA.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:27:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:


Wasn't this guy pardoned or am I thinking of something else?


That was Brian Aitken

Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:31:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
I don't travel to states that don't respect my rights.


Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:32:34 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:36:18 AM EDT
What's the law if you're moving from one state to another and need to move your arsenal? Have to follow every state's laws with no exceptions?
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:38:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Furyataurus:
FUCK NJ



This !
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:41:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/22/2011 5:41:14 AM EDT by Spade]
Originally Posted By MrYar:
What's the law if you're moving from one state to another and need to move your arsenal? Have to follow every state's laws with no exceptions?


Federal law says: In your trunk, in a case, unloaded, and separate from your ammo. So long as your just passing through and not making extended stops.

NJ and some other places don't always care about 1986 FOPA though.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:41:07 AM EDT
Shall not be infringed. We need to take our country back.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:41:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MrYar:
What's the law if you're moving from one state to another and need to move your arsenal? Have to follow every state's laws with no exceptions?

No, FOPA says you can travel with firearms as long as your legal in your origination and destination of your trip, provided you do not make unessescary stops. Though some states really don't give a fuck, and think that you should drive till your out of the state. As an example, NYC is notorious for arresting people because their flight gets delayed or canceled if they have a gun, cause thats an unnecessary stop.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:42:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CWS1911:
Originally Posted By Furyataurus:
FUCK NJ



This !


i'm ok with this as well.

Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:42:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Furyataurus:
FUCK NJ



Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:43:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
I don't travel to states that don't respect my rights.


My son lives there and wonders why I won't come visit.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:45:57 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:46:27 AM EDT
Stupid state laws are stupid.

If he hadn't left them out in plain view, he probably would have been fine.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:51:48 AM EDT
Stupid laws and stupid person.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:55:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Furyataurus:
FUCK NJ



Spent over eight years stationed there...I concur with ^^^
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:56:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By molar:
Originally Posted By h3smith:
Lets leave out something important from the story

Reininger posted $100,000 bail and was released from the county jail four days after his arrest. He did not return to New Jersey, but was told the trial would happen without his presence. The two-day long trial was held in Flemington in August 2010 before Superior Court Judge Stephen Rubin.


Faced with those kinds of charges, you'd want to show up for your trial. Little sympathy for anyone who fails to do even that.


One would think you would show up. A good defense attorney would have probably gotten him off due to FOPA.


Would you bet 5 years of your life on that if he was following FOPA? Because there are some states that don't give a damn about it. What I'd like to see is the guy to remain in Texas and Texas tell NJ to kiss a fresh turd when they wanted to extradite him for breaking no actual law.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 5:59:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RI0T:
Originally Posted By CWS1911:
Originally Posted By Furyataurus:
FUCK NJ



This !


i'm ok with this as well.



I too wonder why the fuck he didn't show up for the trial

but for your enjoyment I offer this: Bomb New Jersey
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 6:02:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
READINGTON TWP. — A Texas man who was convicted of weapons charges at a trial he did not attend was sentenced on Friday to five years in state prison.

It all started on March 20, 2009, after police said they found 26 firearms in Dustin Shane Reininger’s SUV.

According to police here, Readington Patrolman Gregory Wester saw the vehicle around 3:30 a.m. parked in the back of Wachovia Bank on Route 22. When he approached, he saw two guns on the back seat and Reininger asleep in the driver’s seat, according to police.

http://www.nj.com/hunterdon-county-democrat/index.ssf/2011/11/texan_passing_through_new_jers.html

Wasn't this guy pardoned or am I thinking of something else?

This is the domestic violence guy (charged twice in Maine, status unknown).

A simple Google map search shows he was about 30 miles from the PA line. If he was in fact moving from Maine to Texas, that was a pretty stupid route (he probably went through MA and NY - you can't avoid NY). And if he was off I-78, that location makes no sense.

And he was a dumbass not in compliance with FOPA ( 18 U.S.C. § 921). Here's a clue - if the township fuzz can see your guns in Joisey, you're getting arrested and FOPA won't save you

He's pretty much a dumbass all the way around. Not a poster child for RKBA or FOPA.

If dumbass had had a U-Haul (truck or trailer) with the unloaded guns (all of them) in the trailer (or back of the truck), he would have had a chance (depending on what the status of the DV charges are).

Is NJ a communist socialist anti-liberty state? Yes. Does the stench of its tyranny offend me? Yes. On the other hand, (1) live an outlaw and go down guns blazing just to drive through there or (2) be scrupulously in conformance with FOPA (or (3) just avoid the place entirely)?

Dumbass chose "none of the above." I vote for (3).
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 6:08:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fxntime
Would you bet 5 years of your life on that if he was following FOPA? Because there are some states that don't give a damn about it. What I'd like to see is the guy to remain in Texas and Texas tell NJ to kiss a fresh turd when they wanted to extradite him for breaking no actual law.


Apparently he wasn't in compliance with FOPA (based on the description of the arrest in the article) and since he was (based on the article) way off-route (assuming he was traveling on I-78 heading to PA, which is a stupid route from Maine to Texas) sleeping in a parking lot behind a bank in a podunk little Joisey township with his guns visible to anyone that looked in his SUV, I think there is a strong argument that he placed himself in the juridiction of NJ state law.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 6:13:16 AM EDT
And this is why I avoid all communist states in this country, such as NJ, IL, and NY.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 6:18:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
I don't travel to states that don't respect my rights.


/thread
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 6:19:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
I don't travel to states that don't respect my rights.




Vote with your wallets...












ETA: Please remember that next time you walk into a GM Dealer
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 6:20:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ODA_564:

Originally Posted By fxntime
Would you bet 5 years of your life on that if he was following FOPA? Because there are some states that don't give a damn about it. What I'd like to see is the guy to remain in Texas and Texas tell NJ to kiss a fresh turd when they wanted to extradite him for breaking no actual law.


Apparently he wasn't in compliance with FOPA (based on the description of the arrest in the article) and since he was (based on the article) way off-route (assuming he was traveling on I-78 heading to PA, which is a stupid route from Maine to Texas) sleeping in a parking lot behind a bank in a podunk little Joisey township with his guns visible to anyone that looked in his SUV, I think there is a strong argument that he placed himself in the juridiction of NJ state law.


Was he smart, nope, did he do anything that caused any harm, monetary loss, or loss of another persons rights? Nope. Just an asshole state and an asshole cop out to ruin a person's life because he had some guns.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 6:20:27 AM EDT
I had a job offer up there in a not so good area. 120k yr.

Looked into it and was leaning toward taking it until I started asking around in the Jersey HT forum.

I had heard the stories but I thought Hell, it can't be that bad.

Asked about CCW and vehicle carry and was told that there are only 2 kinds of people up there with guns, cops and crooks.

Was told OMG, you don't want to be caught with a gun there.

Hell, I wouldn't be caught without one there.

Didn't take it and don't regret it.





Link Posted: 11/22/2011 6:26:30 AM EDT
5 years in state prison, and loses his right to own firearms forever? Something is seriously fucked up in this country. Although he put himself in a bad spot, it's complete bullshit that in AMERICA you can go to prison for simply possessing a firearm in certain states.

Link Posted: 11/22/2011 6:27:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Originally Posted By molar:
Originally Posted By h3smith:
Lets leave out something important from the story

Reininger posted $100,000 bail and was released from the county jail four days after his arrest. He did not return to New Jersey, but was told the trial would happen without his presence. The two-day long trial was held in Flemington in August 2010 before Superior Court Judge Stephen Rubin.


Faced with those kinds of charges, you'd want to show up for your trial. Little sympathy for anyone who fails to do even that.


One would think you would show up. A good defense attorney would have probably gotten him off due to FOPA.


Would you bet 5 years of your life on that if he was following FOPA? Because there are some states that don't give a damn about it. What I'd like to see is the guy to remain in Texas and Texas tell NJ to kiss a fresh turd when they wanted to extradite him for breaking no actual law.


If I were in compliance with FOPA, yes, I would bet 5 years of my life on it. The chances of being found not guilty are greater than the chances of Texas not extraditing. If the State of NJ found me guitly, well, that is what the appeals process is for. The NRA also likes to be involved in groundbreaking cases.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 6:28:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Blackheart_Actual:
5 years in state prison, and loses his right to own firearms forever? Something is seriously fucked up in this country. Although he put himself in a bad spot, it's complete bullshit that in AMERICA you can go to prison for simply possessing a firearm in certain states.



He didn't go to jail for "simply" possessing a firearm. He didn't adhere to guidelines for traveling with firearms through unfriendly states. having them visible in the vehicle is a no no, right off the bat.

Furthermore, not showing up for your own trial pretty much disqualifies you from complaining about your sentence you receive.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 6:37:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CWS1911:
Originally Posted By Furyataurus:
FUCK NJ



This !


+1
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 6:41:14 AM EDT
http://www.nraila.org/gunlaws/federal/read.aspx?id=59
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 6:42:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By molar:
One would think you would show up. A good defense attorney would have probably gotten him off due to FOPA.

From the description in the article, it doesn't sound like he was FOPA compliant.

Regardless, fuck NJ.

Link Posted: 11/22/2011 6:42:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ODA_564:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
READINGTON TWP. — A Texas man who was convicted of weapons charges at a trial he did not attend was sentenced on Friday to five years in state prison.

It all started on March 20, 2009, after police said they found 26 firearms in Dustin Shane Reininger’s SUV.

According to police here, Readington Patrolman Gregory Wester saw the vehicle around 3:30 a.m. parked in the back of Wachovia Bank on Route 22. When he approached, he saw two guns on the back seat and Reininger asleep in the driver’s seat, according to police.

http://www.nj.com/hunterdon-county-democrat/index.ssf/2011/11/texan_passing_through_new_jers.html

Wasn't this guy pardoned or am I thinking of something else?

This is the domestic violence guy (charged twice in Maine, status unknown).

A simple Google map search shows he was about 30 miles from the PA line. If he was in fact moving from Maine to Texas, that was a pretty stupid route (he probably went through MA and NY - you can't avoid NY). And if he was off I-78, that location makes no sense.

And he was a dumbass not in compliance with FOPA ( 18 U.S.C. § 921). Here's a clue - if the township fuzz can see your guns in Joisey, you're getting arrested and FOPA won't save you

He's pretty much a dumbass all the way around. Not a poster child for RKBA or FOPA.

If dumbass had had a U-Haul (truck or trailer) with the unloaded guns (all of them) in the trailer (or back of the truck), he would have had a chance (depending on what the status of the DV charges are).

Is NJ a communist socialist anti-liberty state? Yes. Does the stench of its tyranny offend me? Yes. On the other hand, (1) live an outlaw and go down guns blazing just to drive through there or (2) be scrupulously in conformance with FOPA (or (3) just avoid the place entirely)?

Dumbass chose "none of the above." I vote for (3).


I'm voting for bullshit laws.

TXL

Link Posted: 11/22/2011 6:50:55 AM EDT
This particular guy might not be a good example, but even he didn't harm anyone. We are criminalizing citizens who are doing nothing wrong other than violating a regulation of which they had no knowledge.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 6:54:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By h3smith:
Lets leave out something important from the story

Reininger posted $100,000 bail and was released from the county jail four days after his arrest. He did not return to New Jersey, but was told the trial would happen without his presence. The two-day long trial was held in Flemington in August 2010 before Superior Court Judge Stephen Rubin.


Faced with those kinds of charges, you'd want to show up for your trial. Little sympathy for anyone who fails to do even that.


100 Gs for guaranteed freedom, or get it back so you can rot in a NJ penitentiary. I'd probably take door number one, fuck your sympathy.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 6:58:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
I don't travel to states that don't respect my rights.


Or car camp behind a bank when you get there.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 6:59:36 AM EDT
FUCK MY HOME STATE
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 7:02:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Hugo_Stiglitz:
Originally Posted By h3smith:
Lets leave out something important from the story

Reininger posted $100,000 bail and was released from the county jail four days after his arrest. He did not return to New Jersey, but was told the trial would happen without his presence. The two-day long trial was held in Flemington in August 2010 before Superior Court Judge Stephen Rubin.


Faced with those kinds of charges, you'd want to show up for your trial. Little sympathy for anyone who fails to do even that.


100 Gs for guaranteed freedom, or get it back so you can rot in a NJ penitentiary. I'd probably take door number one, fuck your sympathy.


I'd rather spend $100,000 to be free than get raped in prison for 5 years. But hey, that is just me.

I have no sympathy for an idiot that refused to show up for his trial.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 7:03:44 AM EDT
All the more reason why I love Texas.I was pulled over once and told the officer I had loaded firearms. He said "Ok for your safety and mine I will ask you step out of the car and to the rear.We will have you back on your way shortly".no harm,no foul.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 7:03:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
I don't travel to states that don't respect my rights.
^
This and that
v
Originally Posted By Furyataurus:
FUCK NJ



Link Posted: 11/22/2011 7:03:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
I don't travel to states that don't respect my rights.


They don't want you and they don't need you. The federal government will take your money and send it to them without your ever going there.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 7:04:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By molar:
Originally Posted By h3smith:
Lets leave out something important from the story

Reininger posted $100,000 bail and was released from the county jail four days after his arrest. He did not return to New Jersey, but was told the trial would happen without his presence. The two-day long trial was held in Flemington in August 2010 before Superior Court Judge Stephen Rubin.


Faced with those kinds of charges, you'd want to show up for your trial. Little sympathy for anyone who fails to do even that.


One would think you would show up. A good defense attorney would have probably gotten him off due to FOPA.


Nope. There are storage requirements imposed by FOPA (and by common sense) that he didn't begin to meet. The guy is an idiot.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 7:07:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/22/2011 7:10:30 AM EDT by LuvBUSHmaster]
Originally Posted By JamesP81:
And this is why I avoid all communist states in this country, such as NJ, IL, and NY.


Don't forget MA!

Eta. I hate auto correct.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 7:07:43 AM EDT
It is too bad Galveston pussed out. It would have been nice if Texas authorities told New Jersey to go fuck themselves, they can't have him.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 7:08:21 AM EDT
I thought there were some criminal rules of procedure or constitutional prohibitions against trials in absentia.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 7:08:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RI0T:
Originally Posted By CWS1911:
Originally Posted By Furyataurus:
FUCK NJ



This !


i'm ok with this as well.



Yep. Last time I was there, I wanted to go dirt bike riding in the pine barrens. EVERYWHERE was off limits. Seriously, what/who is going to be hurt by riding on fire roads? My husband grew up doing that. Freakin' ecowackjobliberals.
Link Posted: 11/22/2011 7:09:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ODA_564:

Originally Posted By fxntime
Would you bet 5 years of your life on that if he was following FOPA? Because there are some states that don't give a damn about it. What I'd like to see is the guy to remain in Texas and Texas tell NJ to kiss a fresh turd when they wanted to extradite him for breaking no actual law.


Apparently he wasn't in compliance with FOPA (based on the description of the arrest in the article) and since he was (based on the article) way off-route (assuming he was traveling on I-78 heading to PA, which is a stupid route from Maine to Texas) sleeping in a parking lot behind a bank in a podunk little Joisey township with his guns visible to anyone that looked in his SUV, I think there is a strong argument that he placed himself in the juridiction of NJ state law.


Yup and that's probably why he no showed

Link Posted: 11/22/2011 7:10:08 AM EDT
I can't believe he came up with $10k and didn't show up to the trial! If I were single and facing those bullshit charges though my ass would be in South America.
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