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Posted: 3/1/2006 6:01:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/1/2006 6:02:27 PM EDT by shocktrp]
Anybody have this, or care to comment:

Six Month Testosterone Therapy - Includes:

2 - 10 Week Therapy Cycles of Testosterone Cypionate.
Protocol: 1cc injection (200mg) per week for 10 weeks followed by 4 weeks off.
2 - 10 Day Therapy Cycles of Human Chorionic Gonadatropin - HCG.
Protocol: 1cc injection (1,000 iu) per day for 10 consecutive days beginning 2 weeks after your last testosterone injection.
Blood Testing - Initial blood test/Physical Exam with a local Physician.
Annual Prescription Fee.
Needles/Syringes.
Shipping & Insurance.

Total Cost: $ 1,395.00.
Link Posted: 3/1/2006 6:08:56 PM EDT
compared to the black market prices you are paying $1000.00 too much.

As, far as the legal way,I have never researched it.
Link Posted: 3/1/2006 6:23:29 PM EDT

(200mg) per week

That's low, but it's about the best you can do with the medical cartel now. That's 2 grams total each 10 weeks for a total of 4 grams. From Mexico for a name-brand, that would cost less than $200.

(1,000 iu) per day

That's a little high of a dosage, but it's not nearly as high as what some doctors use to intentionally kill LH/hCG receptors to harm their patients. That should be about $48 if you bought Organon in Mexico like a couple of friends of mine. So twice over the six months for a total cost of $96.

2 weeks after your last testosterone injection

The half-life of the testosterone cypionate is 12 days so the timing of the HCG sounds a little late. See if you can get the doctor to do enanthate or a faster ester then start the HCG sooner after the last injection.

So for $1,400, you're getting a test that's worth about $100, a ~$100 doctor visit, plus about $300 worth of medicine. That's a nice profit for the doctor. Of course if you want to stay legal and keep everything simple and can afford it, then it's worth paying three times as much as you should to do it the safe way.

I've never done HRT, but I really should have. My test level was 20 ng/dl (if I remember correctly) the last time I had it checked. Just do your homework, and don't let your doctor harm you. Definitely double-check that HCG dosage.z
Link Posted: 3/1/2006 9:04:02 PM EDT
You dont wanna take HCG. You will have more sides off the HCG than the testosterone. I have never taken HCG but I have seen several pepole get gynocomastia from it. Ask your doctor to consider Clomid instead of the HCG.

PS: In Mexico everything you listed including the bloodwork, syringes, drugs etc is under $100 to put it into perspective. If and when I need hormone replacement therapy I think it is invaluable and hopefully the money will not be a big issue because I dont want to break the law to take care of myself.
Link Posted: 3/1/2006 9:05:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By zoom:

(200mg) per week

That's low, but it's about the best you can do with the medical cartel now. That's 2 grams total each 10 weeks for a total of 4 grams. From Mexico for a name-brand, that would cost less than $200.



If not name brand its $40.
Link Posted: 3/1/2006 10:38:09 PM EDT

You dont wanna take HCG.

If he wants to keep his testicles from permanently atrophying when on HRT, then he needs to. The 4 weeks he is off from the test injections isn't long enough for them to completely recover without it.

About the sides, everyone I've heard that has had them was due to taking insanely high dosages that their doctor recommended. A friend had a huge amount of hair loss when taking it, but his doctor prescribed 7,000 iu every other day. He claimed that dropping it to 500 iu every other day was more effective for him and had zero side effects.z
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 9:43:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By zoom:

You dont wanna take HCG.

If he wants to keep his testicles from permanently atrophying when on HRT, then he needs to. The 4 weeks he is off from the test injections isn't long enough for them to completely recover without it.

About the sides, everyone I've heard that has had them was due to taking insanely high dosages that their doctor recommended. A friend had a huge amount of hair loss when taking it, but his doctor prescribed 7,000 iu every other day. He claimed that dropping it to 500 iu every other day was more effective for him and had zero side effects.z



They have done equal doses of Testosterone Enanthate for up to 12 months consecutively for study in the use of birth control and all subjects regained normal testicular function. He does not need HCG. HCG is only a stop gap and actually continues to impair your ability to recover from the effects of the testosterone. Clomid would actually fight the excess estrogen he has to help restart his HGA and block the effects of the estrogen in his system, result ing in a faster recovery from the testosterone.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 5:43:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DevL:

Originally Posted By zoom:

You dont wanna take HCG.

If he wants to keep his testicles from permanently atrophying when on HRT, then he needs to. The 4 weeks he is off from the test injections isn't long enough for them to completely recover without it.

About the sides, everyone I've heard that has had them was due to taking insanely high dosages that their doctor recommended. A friend had a huge amount of hair loss when taking it, but his doctor prescribed 7,000 iu every other day. He claimed that dropping it to 500 iu every other day was more effective for him and had zero side effects.z



They have done equal doses of Testosterone Enanthate for up to 12 months consecutively for study in the use of birth control and all subjects regained normal testicular function. He does not need HCG. HCG is only a stop gap and actually continues to impair your ability to recover from the effects of the testosterone. Clomid would actually fight the excess estrogen he has to help restart his HGA and block the effects of the estrogen in his system, result ing in a faster recovery from the testosterone.



Couldn't he just use a triple dose of a Boron supplement to perk his testosterone? It's cheaper than $1750...
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 5:56:37 AM EDT
Stay away from HGC. The Test Cyp is pretty safe at the levels you described.

Remember to drink at least a gallon of water a day. Take cod liver pills to protect your liver, ask the doctor about Clomid to come off the cycle with.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 5:58:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ZW17:
Stay away from HGC. The Test Cyp is pretty safe at the levels you described.

Remember to drink at least a gallon of water a day. Take cod liver pills to protect your liver, ask the doctor about Clomid to come off the cycle with.



ETA - I hope your girlfriend isn't too busy for the next 6 months.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 6:12:49 AM EDT

ETA - I hope your girlfriend isn't too busy for the next 6 months.

He's only taking 200mg per week. Two guys I work with had their sex drive drastically reduced when taking that small amount. Now if they were taking a minimum of 400mg, then it would be a different story.z
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:03:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By zoom:

ETA - I hope your girlfriend isn't too busy for the next 6 months.

He's only taking 200mg per week. Two guys I work with had their sex drive drastically reduced when taking that small amount. Now if they were taking a minimum of 400mg, then it would be a different story.z



Really? I would expect any amounts to increase your drive. I really screws you up so I am not surprised.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:39:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WolfAmongSheep:

Originally Posted By DevL:

Originally Posted By zoom:

You dont wanna take HCG.

If he wants to keep his testicles from permanently atrophying when on HRT, then he needs to. The 4 weeks he is off from the test injections isn't long enough for them to completely recover without it.

About the sides, everyone I've heard that has had them was due to taking insanely high dosages that their doctor recommended. A friend had a huge amount of hair loss when taking it, but his doctor prescribed 7,000 iu every other day. He claimed that dropping it to 500 iu every other day was more effective for him and had zero side effects.z



They have done equal doses of Testosterone Enanthate for up to 12 months consecutively for study in the use of birth control and all subjects regained normal testicular function. He does not need HCG. HCG is only a stop gap and actually continues to impair your ability to recover from the effects of the testosterone. Clomid would actually fight the excess estrogen he has to help restart his HGA and block the effects of the estrogen in his system, result ing in a faster recovery from the testosterone.



Couldn't he just use a triple dose of a Boron supplement to perk his testosterone? It's cheaper than $1750...



No, boron supplements are not effective at increasing testosterone levels in older men for hormone replacement. The latest fderal Anabolic Steroid Controll Act specifically states anything that increases performance or testosterone levels is a controlled substance. If it works its illegal and controlled schedule 3 drug. This makes pro hormones, GH, IGF, etc all alanbolic steroids for legal purposes. There is a specific exemption for creatine.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 8:53:45 PM EDT
Why are you taking testosterone? How old are you? I am almost 52 and have been on testosterone replacement for almost 10 years. My body stoppped producing the goodness about the time I was diagnosed with a really bad mitral valve (in the heart). Currently I am using a gel that costs about $6.00 a day. If I don't get it I cant sleep and have no energy. If you are using this as a muscle building excuse be very carefull. Too much of the stuff will play hell with your prostate, and you don't want that!

my .02
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:40:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CSW223:
Why are you taking testosterone? How old are you? I am almost 52 and have been on testosterone replacement for almost 10 years. My body stoppped producing the goodness about the time I was diagnosed with a really bad mitral valve (in the heart). Currently I am using a gel that costs about $6.00 a day. If I don't get it I cant sleep and have no energy. If you are using this as a muscle building excuse be very carefull. Too much of the stuff will play hell with your prostate, and you don't want that!

my .02



36 years old. Have not taken anything yet, but want it for the gym.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:52:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 10:57:07 PM EDT by ZW17]

Originally Posted By shocktrp:

Originally Posted By CSW223:
Why are you taking testosterone? How old are you? I am almost 52 and have been on testosterone replacement for almost 10 years. My body stoppped producing the goodness about the time I was diagnosed with a really bad mitral valve (in the heart). Currently I am using a gel that costs about $6.00 a day. If I don't get it I cant sleep and have no energy. If you are using this as a muscle building excuse be very carefull. Too much of the stuff will play hell with your prostate, and you don't want that!

my .02



36 years old. Have not taken anything yet, but want it for the gym.



So your not taking it for medical reasons? You just want to pack on the pounds? Not worth it bro. Trust me.

ETA- I know no matter what I say you will still do it so here is my suggestion.

Test sust 500mg a week for 10 weeks, very little side effects and still gets results

Clomid 30mg a day for 2 weeks after the cycle

TONS of water, eat tons of food and get fat, cod liver oil to protect your liver, lots of gym time, get lean later

Be safe, use your head, do it once and realize it was stupid and never do it again.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 8:34:29 AM EDT
shocktrp if you do not need this for medical reasons, then why do you want to experiment with your hormones and waste a lot of money. Don't waste time, energy and money trying to match some perfect image that you have in your mind or saw in a magazine. As you get older your HEALTH will be your most important asset. Go to the gym and workout, eat a healthy diet and enjoy what you have got. I almost died due to an undiagnosed heart condition. Fortunately, all I lost was testosterone production (which is no small deal, this is very powerful shit) and no organ damage. Do not underestimate the power of testosterone. I have seen its lows, when I had none. I have also seen the other side of too much. A sex drive that is scarry and the feeling of power and strength to the point of violence. Moderation is the key! Build a strong body so you can live long and prosper

Good Luck
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 4:39:43 PM EDT
My doctor has me taking 25cc of chorionic gonadotropin two days a week, 25cc of Saizen six times a week and I use 5 pumps of Andro Gel everyday. I've lost alot of body fat, gained substantial muscle and increased my strenth beyond my wildest dreams and yes, I am a sexual dynamo.

My physician told me I have the hormones of a 20 year old and I'm turning 45 next month.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 4:51:29 PM EDT
How does one go about approaching a doctor about this?
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 4:53:20 PM EDT
AR-15's & high testosterone levels ??? --- the DemmyCraps will not like this !!!
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:43:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 8:43:58 AM EDT by DevL]

Originally Posted By stony275:
How does one go about approaching a doctor about this?



You can just ask for a refferal to an endocrinologist but there are doctors who specialise in the filed of "life enhancement" or "longevity" clinics. My girlfriend has a doctor downstairs from her office who prescribes testosterone and growth hormone in his practice as part of a hormone replacement therapy. He also does not accept any kind of insurance. All his clients are VERY wealthy. So is the doc BTW.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 8:27:55 PM EDT
Thanks DevL.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:39:19 AM EDT
Anyone heard of DHEA?
Dehydroepiandrosterone

I guess its a testoserone supplament.
My chropractor recommended it.

Don't know too much about any of this stuff.

I'm on my way to 50 and am enjoying weightlifting. Not sure if I want to supplament or not.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 10:42:14 AM EDT
200mgs of test per week is just enough to allow your body to stop testosterone production. For muscle gain you want a min of 500mgs per week. HCG is decent for after usage (you will not need it for a 2gram cycle), but something like Clomid will work better. HCG will 'trick' your testis into producing again...but afterwards you shut down again. Clomid, as others have stated, will work as well but actually gets your system back up and running. You are talking about a total of 150 bucks worth of 'supplements' if you know the right people. For the kind of money you want to spend you could get a few bottles of cyp and 2 months worth of hgh also.

As for the cyp vs. enenthate debate, the esters are very similar. Only a few days seperate the half-lives. Regardless, at the end you wouldnt have gained any more from cyp, enen, prop, suspenion, a blend like sustanon. In the end the results are all the same.

As for test raising supplements...Boron and DHEA just wont do a damn thing. You can try tribulis....

enjoy.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 1:36:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 1:42:18 PM EDT by DevL]

Originally Posted By testosteroneOD:
200mgs of test per week is just enough to allow your body to stop testosterone production. For muscle gain you want a min of 500mgs per week.



This is not true at all. You produce around 100mg eqivalent (trying to equalise for ester weight) per week as a young healthy male on average. If you are old and have very low test levels you can gain quite a bit off of 200mg a week. Even people who are abusing steroids for non medical purposes can gain mass off of as little as 200mg per week on an intial cycle. They ge the benefits of their own testosterone plus the exogenous testosterone and it takes up to 3 months to taolly shut that down. This is not to say they will get huge and be able to grow to competative bodybuilder size but gains can be made at that level whether you are old or young. 500mg is a LOT of testosterone, despite what the powerlifters and bodybuilders might have you believe. No doctor would prescribe 500mg to a patient. I know a lot that will only prescribe 200mg every OTHER week.
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 3:51:15 PM EDT
At your dose I would stay away from the HCG. Go with clomid afterward to boost your natural T production again. You probaby won't be shut down too hard after 10wks @ 200mg/wk.

Eat like a horse.

Get lots of sleep.

Drink pleny of H20.

Post pre and post therapy stats (squat/bench/deadlift)
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