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Posted: 11/29/2014 8:38:15 AM EDT
Who was John Connor's father? Some unknown dude or always Kyle Reese? Or does the first film take place in two separate dimensions of time?
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 8:41:02 AM EDT
Interesting read: http://brettjtalley.com/2013/07/27/the-mind-blowing-truth-about-the-terminator-series/
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that night that sarah connor was supposed to go out with her friend, i believe she goes out dancing. she was supposed to hook up with some smooth talking disco dancing machine (real man, just a dancing machine) and he was supposed to do a little dance and make a little love.. basically just get down that night. and boom john conner was conceived.

its not time travel science you know!
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 9:02:52 AM EDT
Was that written by an ARFCOMer? It missed the treadmill and AROCK stuff, though.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 9:14:36 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Plattekill:
Was that written by an ARFCOMer? It missed the treadmill and AROCK stuff, though.
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No shit...my head is spinning.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 9:23:29 AM EDT
He was blind the whole time.......that's all I know.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 9:26:01 AM EDT
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That's the thing about time travel. Sarah Connor never lived a life where Kyle Reese didn't come back and make the 'deposit'.
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Originally Posted By EvilApplesauce:
that night that sarah connor was supposed to go out with her friend, i believe she goes out dancing. she was supposed to hook up with some smooth talking disco dancing machine (real man, just a dancing machine) and he was supposed to do a little dance and make a little love.. basically just get down that night. and boom john conner was conceived.

its not time travel science you know!
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The guy she was going to meet that night was a prepper who would have trained the original John -
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 9:34:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By p2tharizo:



No shit...my head is spinning.
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Originally Posted By Plattekill:
Was that written by an ARFCOMer? It missed the treadmill and AROCK stuff, though.



No shit...my head is spinning.



Yea, My head was about to explode after reading that as well...
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 9:34:14 AM EDT
It was just a movie.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 9:36:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sykkone:
That's the thing about time travel. Sarah Connor never lived a life where Kyle Reese didn't come back and make the 'deposit'.
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Yep. Closed loop. Reese always came back through after the Terminator.
There ain't no "other" John.

The other movies fuck with that, but fuck 'em.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 9:37:14 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Moose:


Yep. Closed loop. Reese always came back through after the Terminator.
There ain't no "other" John.

The other movies fuck with that, but fuck 'em.
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Originally Posted By Moose:
Originally Posted By Sykkone:
That's the thing about time travel. Sarah Connor never lived a life where Kyle Reese didn't come back and make the 'deposit'.


Yep. Closed loop. Reese always came back through after the Terminator.
There ain't no "other" John.

The other movies fuck with that, but fuck 'em.

There ain't no bat!
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 10:13:43 AM EDT
It appears the origin of terminator t-800's is happening in our lifetime - Miley Cyrus is supposedly knocked up with a little schwarzennegger.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 10:42:28 AM EDT
Skynet was successful. The real John Connor is never born and instead Kyle Reese's kid is born who happens to be named "John Connor." So, the John Connor that defeats the machines is never born and instead we get the alternate John Connor. However, arguably this alternate John Connor is even more fit to lead as his Mother trains and prepares him his whole life and his dad was a good fighter. So, inadvertantly Skynet made things worse for itself.

The smarter thing to do would have been to go back in time and simply push to have Skynet developed earlier and imparted with the knowledge of how it was ultimately defeated. If Skynet was brought down it wasn't due to just one guy, but due to a weakness it simply needs to correct. That's why I always liked the Sarah Connor Chronicles where the T-1000 is simply working to ensure that Skynet is developed.
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Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
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SKYNET wants you to believe that.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 11:00:00 AM EDT
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If the terminator can perfectly imitate voices like in T1/2, then why does he speak with that fucked Austrian accent the rest of the time ?
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Originally Posted By FlyingIllini:
If the terminator can perfectly imitate voices like in T1/2, then why does he speak with that fucked Austrian accent the rest of the time ?
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Link Posted: 11/29/2014 11:07:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By firedog51d:


SKYNET wants you to believe that.
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Originally Posted By firedog51d:
Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
It was just a movie.


SKYNET wants you to believe that.


Or.....





















THE MATRIX
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 11:10:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ScoutOut:


http://i.imgur.com/TivZDSB.png
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Originally Posted By ScoutOut:
Originally Posted By FlyingIllini:
If the terminator can perfectly imitate voices like in T1/2, then why does he speak with that fucked Austrian accent the rest of the time ?


http://i.imgur.com/TivZDSB.png



Arnold plays himself in every movie. Jeff Bridges would have been a better Terminator
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Arnold plays himself in every movie. Jeff Bridges would have been a better Terminator
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Originally Posted By ScoutOut:
Originally Posted By FlyingIllini:
If the terminator can perfectly imitate voices like in T1/2, then why does he speak with that fucked Austrian accent the rest of the time ?


http://i.imgur.com/TivZDSB.png



Arnold plays himself in every movie. Jeff Bridges would have been a better Terminator



Link Posted: 11/29/2014 11:16:19 AM EDT
No paradox. Sarah Connor was a whore. She was stood up the night she went to Tech Noir.

She has a son no matter who the father is. Trains him up because she survived a Terminator attack and knows about Judgement Day.

Link Posted: 11/29/2014 11:22:02 AM EDT
It's a causality loop caused by Skynet trying to prevent Conner from being born, but that very mission is what causes the eventual birth of Skynet.

No sending a terminator back to kill John or Sarah, no technology being left behind to be recreated into Skynet.
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Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:

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Not always. He was excellent in My Left Foot.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 11:24:49 AM EDT
Or, Sarah was pregnant and didn't know it at the beginning of Terminator 1 from having a threesome with her roommate and some random dude the week before she met Kyle Reese.
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Originally Posted By SilentType:
Skynet was successful. The real John Connor is never born and instead Kyle Reese's kid is born who happens to be named "John Connor." So, the John Connor that defeats the machines is never born and instead we get the alternate John Connor. However, arguably this alternate John Connor is even more fit to lead as his Mother trains and prepares him his whole life and his dad was a good fighter. So, inadvertantly Skynet made things worse for itself.

The smarter thing to do would have been to go back in time and simply push to have Skynet developed earlier and imparted with the knowledge of how it was ultimately defeated. If Skynet was brought down it wasn't due to just one guy, but due to a weakness it simply needs to correct. That's why I always liked the Sarah Connor Chronicles where the T-1000 is simply working to ensure that Skynet is developed.
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Then how did the real John Connor end up with the picture of Sarah Connor, in the Jeep heading to Mexico, that the alternate version of John Connor was there for the taking of?
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You're thinking 4th dimensionally. You have to factor in for parallel universes and multiple world lines.


The Grandfather paradox does not exist.
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Originally Posted By KingRat:

Not always. He was excellent in My Left Foot.
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Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:

Arnold plays himself in every movie.

Not always. He was excellent in My Left Foot.



I never heard of that movie before. He was also good in twins.
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Originally Posted By KingRat:

Not always. He was excellent in My Left Foot.
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Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:

Arnold plays himself in every movie.

Not always. He was excellent in My Left Foot.


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Originally Posted By FlyingIllini:
If the terminator can perfectly imitate voices like in T1/2, then why does he speak with that fucked Austrian accent the rest of the time ?
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I love "Not To Scale".
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wtf its too early for this shit
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not to scale
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Originally Posted By Moose:



http://youtu.be/kayFrIR-Qfw
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Originally Posted By Moose:
Originally Posted By FlyingIllini:
If the terminator can perfectly imitate voices like in T1/2, then why does he speak with that fucked Austrian accent the rest of the time ?



http://youtu.be/kayFrIR-Qfw


Why did they cut that out???
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 3:33:23 PM EDT
I don't know OP, but what was with Skynet in T3? Skynet basically becomes rogue software that can infect just about every networked computer on the planet. It's grand scheme is to nuke the Russians and initiate MAD How'd all that EMP work out, not to mention shutting down most of the northen hemisphere's power grid.

The AI in the movie Eagle Eye had a much better approach. Just send a terminator back in time with a 4gb thumb drive with the names/last known addresses of the resistance leaders, infect the traffic control system, and then make them pull out in front of a mac truck. Or you could get them swatted by the LAPD, or send them to gitmo with planted evidence, or simply put a $50,000 hit on them.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 3:40:59 PM EDT
It's always possible that Reese was originally sent back for some other mission and ended up having relations with Sarah Connor, which then initiates the timeline where Reese is sent back to protect Sarah Connor, John Connor knowing that he's his father.
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Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
It's a causality loop caused by Skynet trying to prevent Conner from being born, but that very mission is what causes the eventual birth of Skynet.

No sending a terminator back to kill John or Sarah, no technology being left behind to be recreated into Skynet.
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Yeah, this loop still really doesn't satisfy me even though it's an established convention.

On the multiple parallel dimensions though, here's a rundown I read elsewhere that felt less like a cop-out to me.

Dimension 1 or first timeline:

1. Sarah gives birth to John (father unknown - dude at Tech Noir?)
2. Someone creates Skynet (biggest causality dilemma in the whole franchise IMO)
3. Skynet becomes self-aware and begins world domination
4. John becomes successful leader of human resistance
5. Skynet sends Terminator to kill Sarah --> Dimension 2 starts here -
6. John sends Kyle to the past to protect Sarah --> Kyle is sent to Dimension 2.

Dimension 2:

1. Kyle taps dat ass, definitely father
2. Kyle destroys T-800 at Cyberdyne facility
3. Cyberdyne creates Skynet
4. Skynet becomes self-aware and begins world domination
5. John becomes successful leader of human resistance
6. Skynet sends Terminator to kill Sarah --> dimension "n" starts here, but the causality loop in first Terminator movie as well? Not sure.
7. John sends Kyle to the past to protect Sarah --> Kyle enters dimension "n"

And around and round we go.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 4:08:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Lucky_Day:
Who was John Connor's father? Some unknown dude or always Kyle Reese? Or does the first film take place in two separate dimensions of time?
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Kyle Reese.
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My head hurts.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 4:16:30 PM EDT
The only thing that matters from the terminator franchise is Summer Glau
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 4:36:50 PM EDT
There's only one reason why Reese went back into the past - To get some Sara Conner pussy!
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Originally Posted By Lucky_Day:
Yeah, this loop still really doesn't satisfy me even though it's an established convention.

On the multiple parallel dimensions though, here's a rundown I read elsewhere that felt less like a cop-out to me.

Dimension 1 or first timeline:

1. Sarah gives birth to John (father unknown - dude at Tech Noir?)
2. Someone creates Skynet (biggest causality dilemma in the whole franchise IMO)
3. Skynet becomes self-aware and begins world domination
4. John becomes successful leader of human resistance
5. Skynet sends Terminator to kill Sarah --> Dimension 2 starts here -
6. John sends Kyle to the past to protect Sarah --> Kyle is sent to Dimension 2.

Dimension 2:

1. Kyle taps dat ass, definitely father
2. Kyle destroys T-800 at Cyberdyne facility
3. Cyberdyne creates Skynet
4. Skynet becomes self-aware and begins world domination
5. John becomes successful leader of human resistance
6. Skynet sends Terminator to kill Sarah --> dimension "n" starts here, but the causality loop in first Terminator movie as well? Not sure.
7. John sends Kyle to the past to protect Sarah --> Kyle enters dimension "n"

And around and round we go.

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Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
It's a causality loop caused by Skynet trying to prevent Conner from being born, but that very mission is what causes the eventual birth of Skynet.

No sending a terminator back to kill John or Sarah, no technology being left behind to be recreated into Skynet.
Yeah, this loop still really doesn't satisfy me even though it's an established convention.

On the multiple parallel dimensions though, here's a rundown I read elsewhere that felt less like a cop-out to me.

Dimension 1 or first timeline:

1. Sarah gives birth to John (father unknown - dude at Tech Noir?)
2. Someone creates Skynet (biggest causality dilemma in the whole franchise IMO)
3. Skynet becomes self-aware and begins world domination
4. John becomes successful leader of human resistance
5. Skynet sends Terminator to kill Sarah --> Dimension 2 starts here -
6. John sends Kyle to the past to protect Sarah --> Kyle is sent to Dimension 2.

Dimension 2:

1. Kyle taps dat ass, definitely father
2. Kyle destroys T-800 at Cyberdyne facility
3. Cyberdyne creates Skynet
4. Skynet becomes self-aware and begins world domination
5. John becomes successful leader of human resistance
6. Skynet sends Terminator to kill Sarah --> dimension "n" starts here, but the causality loop in first Terminator movie as well? Not sure.
7. John sends Kyle to the past to protect Sarah --> Kyle enters dimension "n"

And around and round we go.


OK dude, imagine this… Time is like a big rope in a way, made of all kinds of little threads…

You know that theory where there is a universe created for every possibility? Each choice creates a different universe. Well, for that to be true you would have to imagine a near infinite number of universes as there are something like 1x10^80 particles in the universe and each one is constantly producing random outcomes. Clearly that’s really, really insane. Each new universe would also be creating new universes at the same rate, every microsecond since time began.

Back to that rope idea.

Imagine that all of those universes were still linked together through some force and that they were being pulled back together constantly. Like fibers in a rope they are all going the same general direction no matter what. The split caused by some quantum event doesn’t ever spread out very far and the dimensions merge back together leaving us with an inexplicable interference pattern and little else.

Bigger events might have longer term consequences but the different universes still pull themselves back together over time. In that context there was going to be a Skynet and reality would have to find a way to create it. John Connor was going to be born which meant reality would find someone for his father. Sarah Connor was going to teach John Connor to be a warrior, perhaps because of her experiences with a Terminator or perhaps because she gets involved in some kind of Revolutionary politics. No matter the mechanism, the end result is going to be the same.

(I would like to point out that this post does not violate the COC for admitting the use of illegal mind altering drugs. I don’t do things like that. My mind comes pre-altered with no drugs required.)
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 5:39:51 PM EDT
What no pics of Sarah in the tank top with the AR yet?
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What no pics of Sarah in the tank top with the AR yet?
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Originally Posted By Askari:
What no pics of Sarah in the tank top with the AR yet?
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080105002128/terminator/images/4/48/Other_Sarah_Connor.jpg


Nice.
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Link Posted: 11/29/2014 7:22:42 PM EDT
What if Kyle Reese and John Conner were the same person? Or if John Conner didn't exist in the original timeline, and was created after Kyle went back in time.
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This Guy
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John Connor rode the modern day equivalent of a mule in T2 just sayin. I like the end when the t100, the great deceiver gets cast into a lake of fire.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 7:55:58 PM EDT
Does Skynet understand so little of human sexuality that it sent back a big, muscular, decent appearing robot that couldn't simply seduce and satisfy Sara Connor well enough so that she'd never give Kyle a chance? Seriously, he had a battery that could last a hundred fifty years. He could have taken care of the problem with much less trouble. A terminator could have injected her with semen chosen to create a kid with Down's syndrome, or a poison, or detonated himself while she was really into the moment.
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