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Posted: 6/16/2007 1:06:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/16/2007 1:07:10 PM EDT by azhammer]
....for the AR15

Is it reliable, is it built well? How does it compare to the ciener kit....is it the same thing?

I may have an opportunity to purchase one off a member here and just wanted a little info on it before making a decision.


Thanks guys
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 1:09:00 PM EDT
Do it Do it now!! you wont regret it!
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 1:13:17 PM EDT
I love mine! You can get extra "barrels" for it from compass lake engineering, and other spare parts like magazine inserts from Sarco. Good little gadget, especially in time of ammo shortage.
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 1:18:43 PM EDT
Totally reliable… mine is good enough to allow me to come 2nd in a regional shooting comp.



Bushmaster upper/lower, dedicated .22lr barrel, M261 bolt, YHM front end, CompM… w00t!
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 1:23:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
Totally reliable… mine is good enough to allow me to come 2nd in a regional shooting comp.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/macandy/DSC01313.gif

Bushmaster upper/lower, dedicated .22lr barrel, M261 bolt, YHM front end, CompM… w00t!



So I can buy the kit and use it with a Bushmaster 22lr upper.....or do they usually come complete with the upper?

Nice setup by the way.....11.5"?
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 1:26:39 PM EDT
OH, or can I shoot 22lr through my Bushmaster uppers chambered in .223?
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 1:30:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By azhammer:
OH, or can I shoot 22lr through my Bushmaster uppers chambered in .223?


Yes!
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 1:33:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By azhammer:

Originally Posted By vito113:
Totally reliable… mine is good enough to allow me to come 2nd in a regional shooting comp.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/macandy/DSC01313.gif

Bushmaster upper/lower, dedicated .22lr barrel, M261 bolt, YHM front end, CompM… w00t!



So I can buy the kit and use it with a Bushmaster 22lr upper.....or do they usually come complete with the upper?

Nice setup by the way.....11.5"?



The chamber adaptor is machined off to work with teh .22 barrel like a Kuhl .22
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 1:40:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/16/2007 1:41:11 PM EDT by azhammer]

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By azhammer:
OH, or can I shoot 22lr through my Bushmaster uppers chambered in .223?


Yes!



So basically you can just drop the kit in place of the standard BCG and blast away?

Sorry for all the questions, just trying to get all my ducks in line.
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 1:43:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By azhammer:

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By azhammer:
OH, or can I shoot 22lr through my Bushmaster uppers chambered in .223?


Yes!



So basically you can just drop the kit in place of the standard BCG and blast away?

Sorry for all the questions, just trying to get all my ducks in line.


Absolutely correct, drop it in, snap the magazine insert into a standard 5.56 mag, and you are ready to rock. It will work with any .223 or 5.56 chamber right out of the chute.
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 1:44:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By azhammer:

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By azhammer:
OH, or can I shoot 22lr through my Bushmaster uppers chambered in .223?


Yes!



So basically you can just drop the kit in place of the standard BCG and blast away?

Sorry for all the questions, just trying to get all my ducks in line.



Yes, pop out your bolt, drop the m261 in, put the .22 inserts in your standard AR mags… and away you go.

When you've finished a handfull of .223 will clear any fouling out of the gas tube.
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 2:05:06 PM EDT
Thanks guys.....sounds like a pretty good deal. I'll contact the seller with interest.
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 2:09:13 PM EDT
What they said. Shooting mine is like crack. I have to shoot the whole brick.
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 2:27:23 PM EDT
Anyone have photos? How does it differ frm the Ciener? I've never seen one of these.
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 2:35:46 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/16/2007 2:36:08 PM EDT
I only wish they made a larger mag than the 10rounder.
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 2:42:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wash-Ar15:
I only wish they made a larger mag than the 10rounder.


Same here! Some day I am going to search long and hard enough to figure out what gun the original 10 rounders were made for, and get some higher cap ones for that rifle. Then it's dremel a couple spot welds and tack the higher cap mags into the "adapter" and it's gtg. There has to be enough demand that it would be feasible to mass produce them really. I don't know if a 20 rounder would fit in a 30 round AR mag, because of the angle, but a 15 might. I would be willing to chop the bottom off a mag or two to get something workable.
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 2:43:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wash-Ar15:
I only wish they made a larger mag than the 10rounder.



I think sombody makes 30 rdrs. those might work.
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 2:55:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 3:07:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By azhammer:

Originally Posted By Wash-Ar15:
I only wish they made a larger mag than the 10rounder.



I think sombody makes 30 rdrs. those might work.


Black Dog Machine is working on an m261 version of his 30 round ceiner mag.

A nice writeup on his work can be found here

I'll be knocking down his door for a dozen the day they are available.
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 3:11:25 PM EDT
I have two of them. One runs like a dream, the other a nightmare.
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 3:23:04 PM EDT
I use all the my mags with bad lips or dents for the 5 mags I have for my m261.

Link Posted: 6/16/2007 3:31:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
I have two of them. One runs like a dream, the other a nightmare.


Wow, never heard of one running bad that couldn't be resolved.

I've got 4 that I swap in and out and can't tell one from the other in regards to performance/reliability.

The only problems I've had were 2 broken rear spring/tabs, and both were caused by the rear screw backing out, which I now lock-tite on principle.

Most any other issue I've heard of were resolved with some combination of:
- reprofiling or replacing the firing pin
- replacing the main spring
- polishing the guide rail
- polishing the chamber/replacing the 'barrel' insert
- running it pretty 'wet'

Like many 22lr conversions, they do seem to enjoy having the occasional OOB kaboom... and the couple I've had so far, after the smoke and cussing clears the air, haven't caused any actual damage yet.

Mine are also force fed el cheapo Rem Golden bullets and do well on it.

I usually run them in one of 2 dedicated uppers, both based on CLE barrels, which eliminate the m261's barrel adapter, but they seem to run just as happily (if slightly less accurately) in normal 5.56 uppers.
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 4:46:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By Wash-Ar15:
I only wish they made a larger mag than the 10rounder.


Same here! Some day I am going to search long and hard enough to figure out what gun the original 10 rounders were made for, and get some higher cap ones for that rifle. Then it's dremel a couple spot welds and tack the higher cap mags into the "adapter" and it's gtg. There has to be enough demand that it would be feasible to mass produce them really. I don't know if a 20 rounder would fit in a 30 round AR mag, because of the angle, but a 15 might. I would be willing to chop the bottom off a mag or two to get something workable.


The magazines were designed for the M261. It was a military item.
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 4:48:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ODA_564:

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By Wash-Ar15:
I only wish they made a larger mag than the 10rounder.


Same here! Some day I am going to search long and hard enough to figure out what gun the original 10 rounders were made for, and get some higher cap ones for that rifle. Then it's dremel a couple spot welds and tack the higher cap mags into the "adapter" and it's gtg. There has to be enough demand that it would be feasible to mass produce them really. I don't know if a 20 rounder would fit in a 30 round AR mag, because of the angle, but a 15 might. I would be willing to chop the bottom off a mag or two to get something workable.


The magazines were designed for the M261. It was a military item.


Oh I know that, but if you look at them it is very obvious they just took a COTS magazine from somewhere, made a magazine adapter, and tack welded them together at the proper angle.
Link Posted: 6/17/2007 3:12:17 PM EDT
They do like high powered .22's though. I get FTF on standard .22's but it runs like a clock on CCI minimags.

They also like to be well lubed… a big squirt of BreakFree does the business.
Link Posted: 6/17/2007 3:16:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/17/2007 3:17:27 PM EDT by Ghetto]
I love my Ceiner kit!!

First 2 mags had a few FTEs and after that it ran flawless, infact the last 2 mags I ran through as fast as I could pull the trigger without 1 problem!



ETA: I hosed my Ceiner kit down with Rem oil and used cheapo Blazer ammo!

All your page 2 belong to me!!111!!
Link Posted: 6/17/2007 9:28:40 PM EDT
What magazine is that?
Link Posted: 6/18/2007 12:53:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By azhammer:
What magazine is that?


30rd Black Dog.
Link Posted: 6/18/2007 4:18:36 AM EDT
I have 2 ciener kits m16 work perfect semi or fullauto blackdog mags I just got work great but time will tell
Link Posted: 6/18/2007 4:59:08 AM EDT
Definitely keep it well lubed, my Colt .22LR conversion had an OOB and blew the extractor into parts unknown. About $50 for Colt to fix it.

Kharn
Link Posted: 6/18/2007 2:19:12 PM EDT
I think the 261 with 14 inserts is the one I am trying out. Ran it yesterday and it worked fine.
Link Posted: 6/18/2007 4:35:47 PM EDT
Cool, I'm sending out my money order for the m261 tonight to the member here selling it.......I cant wait. He's in Ky and Im in AZ so it'll probably be a couple of weeks before I have it.
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