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Posted: 9/1/2004 8:48:31 AM EST
Oh great oracle of all knowledge, ARFCOM... tell me about the John Birch Society. Of course, I've read all their literature and been on their website.

Anyone have any firsthand experiences with these guys?
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 8:50:26 AM EST
They're right up your alley.

I am sure they would LOVE to have you as a new member, might also want to check out the Kinights of Columbus"


Sgatr15
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 8:51:20 AM EST
What does that mean?
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 8:51:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By BenDover:
What does that mean?




Join them. They can help you.

Sgtra15
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 8:52:59 AM EST
My parents took me to some of their meetings when I was a teenager in Harrisburg, PA. They're nutburgers. The speaker went on and on about how the world was controlled by the Illuminati, the Masons and the Bilderbergers and had been since the Middle Ages. I was a bit of a conspiracy theorist myself at the time, but even then I knew they were nuts.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 8:53:47 AM EST
This is not what I asked.

DO YOU have any factual knowledge of / experience with them?
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 8:54:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
My parents took me to some of their meetings when I was a teenager in Harrisburg, PA. They're nutburgers. The speaker went on and on about how the world was controlled by the Illuminati, the Masons and the Bilderbergers and had been since the Middle Ages. I was a bit of a conspiracy theorist myself at the time, but even then I knew they were nuts.



This is what I was afraid of.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 8:54:19 AM EST
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Link Posted: 9/1/2004 8:54:28 AM EST
There is a quote from the John Birch society hanging in the Rock and Roll hall of fame from the 60's about the moral depravity of rock music.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 8:55:04 AM EST
I drive by there building every day.

They all look VERY white and Christian.


SGtar15
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 8:56:31 AM EST
It's too bad. Their foundation and principles seem to be pretty accurate.

Of course, sales literature always sounds better than the real thing.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 8:56:47 AM EST
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My Dad belonged to them for years. He sent my brother to their "Summer Camp" back in the '79. They spent their mornings writing letters to elected officials and the afternoons riding horses and swimming.

Other than being hugely anti-commie and loving conspiracy theories, I really don't have a clear picture to offer of what they stood for then or now. I think that some people accuse them of being subvertly racist, but I've never heard my father use a racial epithet once in his entire life. Maybe he was their token anti-racists?
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Link Posted: 9/1/2004 8:57:42 AM EST
I was responding to Sgt, not Rikky.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 8:57:50 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 9:00:45 AM EST
If you read up on their principles, much of their platform I can absolutely agree with.

www.jbs.org/media/about/jbs_resolutions.htm

But screw the racist, Illuminati shit.

Link Posted: 9/1/2004 9:05:31 AM EST
Now that the Communist threat has died away the Birchers are struggling to find reasons to exist.

A Bircher lady at the San Diego Rifle & Revolver Association's 8th annual barbecue and shoot last weekend was handing out literature about a supposed threat from free trade areas.

www.stoptheftaa.org/
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 9:08:28 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 9:08:53 AM EST
I know that Robert Welch was the big push behind anti-communism. I've read all his books and have to wonder about all that I was taught about Eisenhower.

Interesting perspectives for the times in which they were born.

Maybe they need to get with the Libertarians and re-invent themselves so they can attract disenfranchised Republicans.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 9:14:16 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 9:16:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
I drive by there building every day.

They all look VERY white and Christian.



How does one look 'Christian'?
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 9:24:15 AM EST
Here are some things they say that I like:

1) U.S. out of U.N.

2) Stop illegal immigration

3) NO U.S. troops should be led by U.N.

4) The U.N. should have ZERO say as to what the U.S. does

5) They're second amendment and anti gun control

I think most of us here at ARFCOM agrees with these items.

NO, I don't agree with all that "kooky" conspiracy stuff!



Link Posted: 9/1/2004 9:24:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/1/2004 9:42:12 AM EST by jrzy]

Originally Posted By BenDover:
Oh great oracle of all knowledge, ARFCOM... tell me about the John Birch Society. Of course, I've read all their literature and been on their website.

Anyone have any firsthand experiences with these guys?



No, look it up for yourself!
Google , ever heard of it?



Link Posted: 9/1/2004 9:32:44 AM EST
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Link Posted: 9/1/2004 9:34:16 AM EST
That's our jrzy, never one to disappoint....
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 9:36:57 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/1/2004 9:38:59 AM EST by garandman]
My mother is VERY pro Constitution, VERY pro freedom, VERY against Bush's encroachmemnts of both, VERY religious and VERY much a former member of JBS.


Does that help??

Link Posted: 9/1/2004 9:45:03 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 9:46:17 AM EST
i dont think i have ever even met one of em
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 9:53:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
My parents took me to some of their meetings when I was a teenager in Harrisburg, PA. They're nutburgers. The speaker went on and on about how the world was controlled by the Illuminati, the Masons and the Bilderbergers and had been since the Middle Ages. I was a bit of a conspiracy theorist myself at the time, but even then I knew they were nuts.



Whoa there partner, that was never and is not part what the JBS stand for (there are certianly members out there who might believe that, however). Like with any other group, you get some nuts.

Yes, the JBS believes in a "conspiracy", but the fact of the matter is they do not hold to the Masonic/Iluuminati crapola. Nor are they racist.

The British Round Table Groups and the Bildeburgers in Erope, and the Council on Foreign Relations / Trilateral Commission here in America all have common threads, and all have goals of slowly removing sovriegnty from the United Staes and moving towards a "New World Order". That, folks, is criminal, and if more than one of their number tries to hide it, then by defenition: it is a "conspiracy".

If you want a short-order picture of the JBS, think "anti-Fabian Socialist" instead of "Conspiracy fruitcake".

No tinfoil hats (at least not near as many as are here on arfcom).

No "Jesus is coming back tomorrow, so we better go live off in a compound" ideas.

No "The white race is decended out of the 'lost tribe of Judah'" stuff either.

The fact of the matter is that they are a education organization. That's it.

Yes, I am a member, and no I don't wear a tinfoil beanie.

FMD

PS: Sarge, you must be up in Appleton if you "drive by their Headquarters every day". You might actually want to meet some of the folks before you pass judgement on them.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 9:55:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
I drive by there building every day.

They all look VERY white and Christian.



Met with two folks from the JBS looking to speak at our school. Asked them about the conspiracy stuff, they danced around the issue. Also, I got the distinct impression they were somewhat uncomfortable with us - the board members that showed up were an Indian, a Chinese, and a Jew. Only time I've ever gotten that vibe from conservatives.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 10:00:38 AM EST
I was a member for a brief time. They are some of the most patriotic, pro-USA, anti-UN folks you will meet. I'm on board with at least 80% of what they are about.

The conspiracy stuff was a bit overwhelming after a while. I'd mention some guy I thought was an arch-conservative, and I'd hear, "He's part of it too! He's a member of the Trilateralist Commission!"

There's smoke at some of the conspiracy stuff, but I'm not sure there's actually fire.

I'm not going to call such dedicated patriots kooks. That's a cheap insult that gets thrown around too easily these days.

I'd advise you to check out their information and positions on issues, and talk with a few of them. Maybe be an observer at a couple of meetings. If you decide it's for you, go for it.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 10:02:30 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 10:18:25 AM EST
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Originally Posted By sgtar15:
I drive by there building every day.
They all look VERY white and Christian.



Okay, like this (TNA Editor & JBS speaker)?
Maybe this (JBS Speaker)?
How bout this (JBS speaker and former Pat Buchannan Running mate)?

Yep, they're all Christians of one form or another (depending on what your view of Mormanism is), but last time I checked, so is 2/3rds or so of the rest of the country.

If an organization is at fault for having a mojority membership of white Christians, go bash the NRA!

ETA: You may not agree with everything that they're about (lord knows I disagree with them on some things), but they are spot-on on the majority of things (MHO). They are the most pro-American organization that I know of.

-FMD
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 10:31:05 AM EST
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My dad was a member in the late 60s, and as a little kid I went to several meetings. But I don't remember anything about the meetings first hand, except with respect to another memmber's house and family.

My dad's group contained four or five members, all locals. No nutty conspiracy stuff, just solid anti-communism. One of the members did want to prepare for Soviet invasion, my dad thought that that was nutty. Edit: I learned this from my dad several years after he was an active member, not first hand.

IIRC, the head of the JBS in Northern San Diego was a black dude. His biological parents were left wing black extremists, and he was adopted by white John Burchers.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 10:58:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
There was a time when there was good reason to listen to the John Birch Society.

They were very active in the Goldwater Campaign in 1964.

They are the ultimate conspiracy folks, and my parents were both members, in the early 1960s.

I read everything they published for a while, from John Stormer's None Dare Call It Treason, to Robert Welch's The Blue Book.

They are still an ultra-conservative group and they still have tables at all the Gun Shows in DFW.

I just have a hard time believing most of what they say nowadays.

Eric The(NeverAgain)Hun



Of course, if the John Birchers are not to fond of Masons that might influence your view of them too. Wouldn't it?

Just poking fun. I don't have an affiliation with either group, so I'm just enjoying the discussion.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 11:00:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By Forest:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
I drive by there building every day.

They all look VERY white and Christian.



How does one look 'Christian'?



One day when I drove by they wear beating a muslim so I figured they were christians.

SGatr15
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 11:21:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By Forest:
How does one look 'Christian'?


Beats me. I hope I do though.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 11:34:59 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:44:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By FMD:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
My parents took me to some of their meetings when I was a teenager in Harrisburg, PA. They're nutburgers. The speaker went on and on about how the world was controlled by the Illuminati, the Masons and the Bilderbergers and had been since the Middle Ages. I was a bit of a conspiracy theorist myself at the time, but even then I knew they were nuts.



Whoa there partner, that was never and is not part what the JBS stand for (there are certianly members out there who might believe that, however). Like with any other group, you get some nuts.



Apparently they have more than their share, given the vast number of people who've given personal experiences dealing with them.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 1:53:27 PM EST
They were actually taken seriously back in the early 1960’s.

The fact that CBS News, the New York Times, and the other liberal media outlets don’t even occasionally mention them as right wing nut jobs just shows how far they’ve fallen.

I didn’t even know they were still around. Asking about them nowadays is IMHO a bit like asking about Green Stamps – you’re a few decades too late!!
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