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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:04:25 PM EDT
Decent rifle, or avoid?  I do like the light weight.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:05:58 PM EDT
The general consensus has been to avoid them.  Too brittle of a material to hold up to the repeated stresses of firing, if I recall correctly...
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:06:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/26/2013 12:06:50 PM EDT by BKC1869]
Avoid.

I have no personal experience but I have heard a lot about them and what I've heard was not good.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:07:41 PM EDT
Well, I'm pretty sure the rapper Plies has one.


Heard one of his songs recently (wasn't good) and heard him say, ".223.......Carbon 1-5"
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:08:42 PM EDT
I have 5k rounds through mine with no problems.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:08:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JamesP81:
Decent rifle, or avoid?  I do like the light weight.


Crap rifle.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:09:53 PM EDT
I was selling those 10-12 years ago at 'shows here in the NorthWest.



Our "Rule-Of-Thumb" was that we got back 4 of every 10 we sold (Before and after the buyout).



Neat idea but...terrible execution  When your BBL separates from the upper receiver.....it's a BAD thing!






Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:10:52 PM EDT

I had one and it worked flawlessly. It was great for plinking, don't have experience with a lot of heavy use.

Accuracy was decent. Lots of people will give negative opinions. I don't think they qualify for tier one operators...

Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:11:25 PM EDT
Piece of Shit
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:16:48 PM EDT
Garbage. Avoid like the plague.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:17:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/26/2013 12:18:16 PM EDT by Slare]
Originally Posted By Treadhead:
I was selling those 10-12 years ago at 'shows here in the NorthWest.

Our "Rule-Of-Thumb" was that we got back 4 of every 10 we sold (Before and after the buyout).

Neat idea but...terrible execution  When your BBL separates from the upper receiver.....it's a BAD thing!




I think you'd have to vet current production owners to get a real idea, unless the rifle has not changed at all since its introduction.  Composite material development has come a long way in 10 years... not to mention any design fixes that may have been applied.

Having said that, seems logical to avoid old ones.  And I also think they should be a lot cheaper to justify the risk.  Lightness should only be a cost premium if it comes with no other trade off.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:22:50 PM EDT
Owned one back in '03, I remember stripping the plastic threads on one once... buttstock maybe?

It was confiscated and I never got it back. Can't say I miss it.

Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:24:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Pellinore:
I have 5k rounds through mine with no problems.


i have one of them, with about the same round count through it + several k .22lr. Ive only had one issue and it was with some wolf ammo (case rim tore off). I also rarely clean this gun, and have dropped it several times.

I dont use it much any more since i have other AR i like to shoot more, but ive neer had any major issues with mine.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:24:31 PM EDT
I had a type 97 from the original manufacturer of the Carbon 15 before BM bought it.  Professional ordnance I think it was.  Worked great.  No problems.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:27:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:27:50 PM EDT



Originally Posted By Slare:



Originally Posted By Treadhead:

I was selling those 10-12 years ago at 'shows here in the NorthWest.



Our "Rule-Of-Thumb" was that we got back 4 of every 10 we sold (Before and after the buyout).



Neat idea but...terrible execution  When your BBL separates from the upper receiver.....it's a BAD thing!









I think you'd have to vet current production owners to get a real idea, unless the rifle has not changed at all since its introduction.  Composite material development has come a long way in 10 years... not to mention any design fixes that may have been applied.



Having said that, seems logical to avoid old ones.  And I also think they should be a lot cheaper to justify the risk.  Lightness should only be a cost premium if it comes with no other trade off.
You may be right man.  MY experience with them IS rather dated.



I just remember being tired of our customers coming back to us with broken shit and wanting a rebate or trade





 
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:34:40 PM EDT
The real questions... What is the asking price and what are your plans for it?  
$7-800 range and you only plan to plink plink with it on occasion that's one thing. If they want something in the $1k range, skip it and pick up a Walmart Colt or DPMS for the same price.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:38:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ptoguy2002:
http://i49.tinypic.com/2ccup0g.jpg


That's the Israeli version that shoots around corners.

Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:39:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ptoguy2002:
http://i49.tinypic.com/2ccup0g.jpg


Holy shit the front fell off!
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:44:06 PM EDT
No bueno.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:50:02 PM EDT
An expensive club
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:52:34 PM EDT
Only one I ever saw in the wild was in two pieces. A guy in my club had just bought it and about the fourth round he fired it blew up.  I looked over and he was standing there with the upper in one hand and the lower in the other, minus several chunks of both receivers and a pants load by the look on his face.  I went over and checked on him and he was OK, just shook up.  He was firing factory ammo.  I think they replaced it for him, but I don't think he kept it.  I never really wanted one after that.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 12:57:04 PM EDT
one word:  DON'T

And there you have it.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 1:16:26 PM EDT
I had one. I put about 3000 rounds through it without problem. I read about the lower's breaking, so I sold it for a $300 profit Dec of 2008.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 1:23:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Pellinore:
I have 5k rounds through mine with no problems.

I put at least 4k of xm193 and a few hundred rounds of xm855 through mine before I swapped the upper to a PSA 1:7 twist. Never had a problem with the poly upper,but I got spooked when I saw the pic of the one that did
its Glock impression.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 1:29:24 PM EDT
I sold one for $1300 or so during the sandy hook panic.  I think that was about double what it cost in 2009.

Really crappy trigger pull and not too accurate.  It was light though.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 1:32:21 PM EDT
It's an entry level rifle. I had one. Worked great and then I upgraded.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 2:17:49 PM EDT
It is made from carbon fiber.  The same material that is used in Batman's suit of armor.  It also allows him to fly through the air like a bat.  It has a tonsil strength, well I don't know the number, but it is 7 times greater than ford aluminum lowers.

It is Tier A Numba One like the Duke of New York.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 2:44:28 PM EDT
I have one in 9mm and have had zero problems after a few thousand rounds.  It sits in the safe most of the time...
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 2:51:49 PM EDT
Sucks.  But other than that it is good.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 2:52:18 PM EDT
Don't.



Just don't.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 2:52:48 PM EDT
Avoid it like the plauge
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 2:53:26 PM EDT
Junk
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 3:11:36 PM EDT
They have a proprietary barrel nut, IIRC. I remember a guy brought one into the shop and he wanted a quad rail added. Seems like my boss had to order a certain Daniel rail that would work with the barrel nut.

Don't remember exactly what the issue was but it was not Plug-N-Play like other brands.

jonblack
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 3:39:17 PM EDT
That rifle is why I started a build.. It felt like my nephews toy AR and made me nervous.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 3:40:59 PM EDT
I don't have one.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 3:42:30 PM EDT
I think the newer ones are supposed to be ok.  Don't really appeal to me though.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 3:45:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jonblack:
They have a proprietary barrel nut, IIRC. I remember a guy brought one into the shop and he wanted a quad rail added. Seems like my boss had to order a certain Daniel rail that would work with the barrel nut.

Don't remember exactly what the issue was but it was not Plug-N-Play like other brands.

jonblack


According to this  Thread   "The carbon reciever threads are thicker so the carbon barrel nut wont fit on a standard reciever, its too big."

IDK tho because i installed a knights armament M5 ras on mine with no issues.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 3:51:30 PM EDT
I have owned one for a few years now. It is my dedicated Slide Fire stock range toy. I only bought it because a buddy needed some quick cash a few years ago so I figured what the hell and gave him $400 for it. It does not like steel case ammo at all. Failure to extract just about every other round. It eats up any brass I run through it.

I am definitely over the 4,000 round count with the slidefire stock on it. Not one thing has broke on it yet.

For the cost of a new one these days , about $750 - $900 depending on who is selling it , I would pass. You can get a tougher built DPMS , Stag , S&W etc. with aluminum receivers. If you are getting a hell of a deal on it , $600 or less then I say go for it. In all honesty though it is the last AR15 I would recommend to anyone because of the polymer receivers. Maybe if the upper was aluminum I would like them at today's prices a little more.

If it is going to be your one and only AR  ,then it is a definite no.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 3:53:27 PM EDT
Pound for pound the most devastating firearm in bushmasters fabled line up.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 3:58:52 PM EDT


I saw one at sportsman's last week, it was $699. They only had two AR's, that one and a LMC 308 for $3000.



Link Posted: 4/26/2013 9:03:08 PM EDT
I shot one last weekend that was converted to 3 round burst.  It ran like a top.  

I can't tell you how old it was, etc, but I have a few credible witnesses that will vouch for me.  Many of them shot it, too.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 11:01:37 PM EDT
I have one of the Carbon .22LR guns it's fun but I wouldn't buy one in .556 (I bought a Vulcan for that before I found ARFCOM)
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 11:26:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Pellinore:
Originally Posted By jonblack:
They have a proprietary barrel nut, IIRC. I remember a guy brought one into the shop and he wanted a quad rail added. Seems like my boss had to order a certain Daniel rail that would work with the barrel nut.

Don't remember exactly what the issue was but it was not Plug-N-Play like other brands.

jonblack


According to this  Thread   "The carbon reciever threads are thicker so the carbon barrel nut wont fit on a standard reciever, its too big."

IDK tho because i installed a knights armament M5 ras on mine with no issues.


Probably the Omega, which attaches over the standard delta ring/barrel nut setup.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 11:29:39 PM EDT
So the uppers suck--I get that. What about the lowers? Seems like it may be an OK way to shed an ounce or two if they mate up to a normal upper.
Link Posted: 4/26/2013 11:57:39 PM EDT
Did a Gunsite Carbine Course a couple years back.  A guy had a Carbon 15.  We fired a LOT of rounds over a week or so.  His weapon ran flawless.  It was really, really light... I'd like one.



Most folks with FIRST HAND experience like em.  YMMV.
Link Posted: 4/27/2013 12:06:09 AM EDT
I liked the range rental 9mm at the range I RSO'd.
Thing was pretty fucking slick, and light as HELL.
Gave the HK USC a run for it's money for sure.
 
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