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Posted: 9/13/2005 6:41:53 PM EDT
DAY OF INFAMY 2001
U.S. congressman: Reject 'Crescent' 9-11 memorial
Tancredo says Flight 93 monument looks like 'tribute to the hijackers rather than the victims'

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Posted: September 13, 2005
6:10 p.m. Eastern



© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com



Model of Flight 93 memorial

The choice of a red crescent to honor the victims of Flight 93 who fought back against Muslim hijackers on 9-11 is being blasted as "unsuitable" by a U.S. congressman who is urging its rejection.

Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., has sent a letter to the Interior Department, asking officials to reconsider the "Crescent of Embrace" design due to the symbol's ties to Islam.


"It has raised questions in some circles about whether the design, if constructed, will in fact make the memorial a tribute to the hijackers rather than the victims whose mission the flight's passengers helped to thwart," wrote Tancredo in a letter to Fran Mainella, director of the National Park Service. "Regardless of whether or not the invocation of a Muslim symbol by the memorial designer was intentional or not, it seems that such a symbol is unsuitable for paying appropriate tribute to the heroes of Flight 93 or the ensuing American struggle against radical Islam that their last historic act and the 'Let's Roll' effort has come to symbolize."

The heart of the memorial is a mile-long semicircle of red maples surrounding the place near Shanksville, Pa., where the flight's 40 passengers and crew were killed when the hijacked plane plunged into the ground Sept. 11, 2001.

"It seems to me that the [Interior] Department ought to direct the committee to choose a different design rather than moving forward with a design that could make the memorial a flashpoint for controversy and criticism," Tancredo continued.


Muslim Crescent

The design for the permanent memorial for Flight 93 was announced last week "amid overwhelming support from the Families of Flight 93 and the various partner organizations who are contributing to make the memorial a reality," according to the project's website.

It was designed by Paul Murdoch Architects of Los Angeles, with Nelson Byrd Woltz Landscape Architects of Charlottesville, Va.

As WorldNetDaily previously reported, a Pennsylvania pastor is also fighting the newly approved design of the memorial, based on the purported connection to Islam.


Rev. Ron McRae, head of the Bible Anabaptist Church near Jerome, Pa., about 55 miles from Pittsburgh, said a private group he formed might go to court to block the "Crescent of Embrace" symbol.

"This is a memorial to the terrorists who killed those people, not a memorial to the folks who died there innocently," McRae told the Tribune-Democrat newspaper in Johnstown, Pa.

The designer maintains he used the term crescent only in the architectural sense of a curved line.

"This is not about any religion per se," Murdoch told the paper. "It's a spiritual space, and a sacred place, but it's open to anyone."

Joanne Hanley, superintendent of the Flight 93 National Memorial, told the Associated Press "Crescent of Embrace" is the name of the design, not the memorial, and can be changed.

"The name is irrelevant, really," she said. "There's a lot of misinformation out there and conjecture and hidden meaning that just isn't there."

Link Posted: 9/13/2005 6:43:36 PM EDT
Tancredo should be president. The balls he has hanging in order to speak out against BS like this, along with his rock solid stance on illegals, makes him my favorite politician, hands down.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 6:46:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Midnight-Sniper:

The designer maintains he used the term crescent only in the architectural sense of a curved line.

"This is not about any religion per se," Murdoch told the paper. "It's a spiritual space, and a sacred place, but it's open to anyone."

Joanne Hanley, superintendent of the Flight 93 National Memorial, told the Associated Press "Crescent of Embrace" is the name of the design, not the memorial, and can be changed.

"The name is irrelevant, really," she said. "There's a lot of misinformation out there and conjecture and hidden meaning that just isn't there."




Few things in this world have the capacity to irritate me moreso than being lied to by someone with a straight face when they know I know they're lying.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 6:46:35 PM EDT
Awesome man from Colordao!

Link Posted: 9/13/2005 6:47:22 PM EDT
The cat's out of the bag now.

Should be interesting to see how this runs in the press.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 6:47:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Midnight-Sniper:
DAY OF INFAMY 2001
U.S. congressman: Reject 'Crescent' 9-11 memorial
Tancredo says Flight 93 monument looks like 'tribute to the hijackers rather than the victims'

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: September 13, 2005
6:10 p.m. Eastern



© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com



Model of Flight 93 memorial

The choice of a red crescent to honor the victims of Flight 93 who fought back against Muslim hijackers on 9-11 is being blasted as "unsuitable" by a U.S. congressman who is urging its rejection.

Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., has sent a letter to the Interior Department, asking officials to reconsider the "Crescent of Embrace" design due to the symbol's ties to Islam.


"It has raised questions in some circles about whether the design, if constructed, will in fact make the memorial a tribute to the hijackers rather than the victims whose mission the flight's passengers helped to thwart," wrote Tancredo in a letter to Fran Mainella, director of the National Park Service. "Regardless of whether or not the invocation of a Muslim symbol by the memorial designer was intentional or not, it seems that such a symbol is unsuitable for paying appropriate tribute to the heroes of Flight 93 or the ensuing American struggle against radical Islam that their last historic act and the 'Let's Roll' effort has come to symbolize."

The heart of the memorial is a mile-long semicircle of red maples surrounding the place near Shanksville, Pa., where the flight's 40 passengers and crew were killed when the hijacked plane plunged into the ground Sept. 11, 2001.

"It seems to me that the [Interior] Department ought to direct the committee to choose a different design rather than moving forward with a design that could make the memorial a flashpoint for controversy and criticism," Tancredo continued.


Muslim Crescent

The design for the permanent memorial for Flight 93 was announced last week "amid overwhelming support from the Families of Flight 93 and the various partner organizations who are contributing to make the memorial a reality," according to the project's website.

It was designed by Paul Murdoch Architects of Los Angeles, with Nelson Byrd Woltz Landscape Architects of Charlottesville, Va.

As WorldNetDaily previously reported, a Pennsylvania pastor is also fighting the newly approved design of the memorial, based on the purported connection to Islam.


Rev. Ron McRae, head of the Bible Anabaptist Church near Jerome, Pa., about 55 miles from Pittsburgh, said a private group he formed might go to court to block the "Crescent of Embrace" symbol.

"This is a memorial to the terrorists who killed those people, not a memorial to the folks who died there innocently," McRae told the Tribune-Democrat newspaper in Johnstown, Pa.

The designer maintains he used the term crescent only in the architectural sense of a curved line.

"This is not about any religion per se," Murdoch told the paper. "It's a spiritual space, and a sacred place, but it's open to anyone."

Joanne Hanley, superintendent of the Flight 93 National Memorial, told the Associated Press "Crescent of Embrace" is the name of the design, not the memorial, and can be changed.

"The name is irrelevant, really," she said. "There's a lot of misinformation out there and conjecture and hidden meaning that just isn't there."




Would not surprise me if the people from that neck of the woods took personal offense at this atrocity, specially since it is being ramrodded (and designed) by folks from the coasts. This isn't like putting some goofball sculpture in Central Park or an LA Amphitheatre...



Link Posted: 9/13/2005 6:49:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By omar:
The cat's out of the bag now.

Should be interesting to see how this runs in the press.



The Liberals and Democraps will cry racism and hatemongering by those who oppose it.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 6:49:46 PM EDT
Someone should look closely at the designer's other works. I can assure you this guy has some Islam roots, be it friends, wife, etc. We should expose this bleeding heart.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 6:51:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PeteCO:
Tancredo should be president. The balls he has hanging in order to speak out against BS like this, along with his rock solid stance on illegals, makes him my favorite politician, hands down.



Every time this guy makes the news i like him more and more.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 6:53:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/13/2005 6:55:02 PM EDT by Merrell]

Originally Posted By WildBoar:

Originally Posted By omar:
The cat's out of the bag now.

Should be interesting to see how this runs in the press.



The Liberals and Democraps will cry racism and hatemongering by those who oppose it.



The closest local paper is the Johnstown Tribune Democrat ...

it will be interesting to watch their forum for hometown reaction


Link Posted: 9/13/2005 6:57:17 PM EDT
"If you build it, they will come"

If they build that here, we will 'Tear it Down'

I guaran - DAMN - tee it.

Doesn't take much to kill some red maples!!!
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 6:57:41 PM EDT
Careful supporting Tom, he has been blackballed by the Bush administration. GW has made it clear that he is putting distance between himself and Tom Tancredo.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 7:18:52 PM EDT
I'm going to write my senators too. If every one of us does the same, the liberal media will even notice.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 7:55:57 PM EDT
Oh yeah. This is unintentional....

Link Posted: 9/13/2005 7:59:38 PM EDT
Anybody point out to him that it's oriented to Mecca?
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 8:07:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedave1164:
Careful supporting Tom, he has been blackballed by the Bush administration. GW has made it clear that he is putting distance between himself and Tom Tancredo.



He must be perfect then, Bush is so middle of the road he's danm near a lefty.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 8:21:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
Oh yeah. This is unintentional....

www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/93memorial.jpg



Lovely. It's like a big, bloody red gash in the earth.

Just what I wanted to remember the courage of some Citizen Soldiers four years ago.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 8:27:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 8:36:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/13/2005 8:37:45 PM EDT by Az_Redneck]

Originally Posted By zrxc77:
tinypic.com/dob3bb.gif



The top of the arch is pointed towards Mecca

durka...durka...mohammad ali...jihad

"If you don't believe me, I'll put a jihad on your ass right now"

Hey PeteCo - We'll trade you McCain for Tancredo (We'll make him a senator)
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 8:39:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 8:43:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Airwolf:
ace.mu.nu/archives/mz936ie.jpg




No, go the other way..South, down around the South Pole and back up again..sheesh
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 8:52:59 PM EDT
Sonsabitches
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:40:42 PM EDT
FUCK THAT SHIT!!!!


I'll drive from Arizona to help make sure that POS design doesn't get built!

Who the fuck is the jerk that designed this?
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:42:59 PM EDT
The star part of the crescent must be hidden somewhere in the design. I suspect if you connect the numbers you will also see a star.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:43:27 PM EDT
... Oh yeah!

... The power of (ARFCOM) the Internet!
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 10:01:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Az_Redneck:

Originally Posted By Airwolf:
ace.mu.nu/archives/mz936ie.jpg




No, go the other way..South, down around the South Pole and back up again..sheesh



The green line is the Tancredo-ICBM road to victory!

"Mommy, why is that giant glass bowl filled with crude oil?"
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 10:14:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By Midnight-Sniper:

The designer maintains he used the term crescent only in the architectural sense of a curved line.

"This is not about any religion per se," Murdoch told the paper. "It's a spiritual space, and a sacred place, but it's open to anyone."

Joanne Hanley, superintendent of the Flight 93 National Memorial, told the Associated Press "Crescent of Embrace" is the name of the design, not the memorial, and can be changed.

"The name is irrelevant, really," she said. "There's a lot of misinformation out there and conjecture and hidden meaning that just isn't there."





Few things in this world have the capacity to irritate me moreso than being lied to by someone with a straight face when they know I know they're lying.



Exactly. Anyone who is buying this load of BS is mental defective! One sad mess this, and all the other, similar rediculousness is.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 10:27:23 PM EDT
Pennsylvanians are all over this already.

Please keep posting this info everywhere and
anywhere you can.
Write reps and let them know.

This damn thing is suppose to be built
30 minutes from my place.

The amount of chainsaw dealers and gas stations
in that 30 minute drive will be to overpowering for us
to resist.

This aircraft past over my house on it's way down.

If this goes as is ,I hope the worthless puke artist is here
to face our rage when it is completed.

Go back to the West Coast !

WE don't want you here !

Take your freaks and pestilence with you.
This is a free state.Armed to the very end.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 1:41:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Midnight-Sniper:
The star part of the crescent must be hidden somewhere in the design. I suspect if you connect the numbers you will also see a star.



I imagine the downed plane is the 'star'.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 3:20:27 AM EDT
There looks to be a small group of trees where the "star" should be. I showed this to my co-workers the other day. My next step is the local paper and news channels.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 3:30:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 3:38:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MudFlapper:
Awesome man from Colordao!




+1 brother
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 4:34:25 AM EDT
Hey I agree that even the hint of anything Is-lame-ic should not be there but come on, I think you guys are reading a little too much into this. Then again maybe he's a secret Jihadi.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 4:39:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By omar:
The cat's out of the bag now.

Should be interesting to see how this runs in the press.




You mean you don't know?

Tancredo and the rest of us who agree with him will be labeled as racists and bigots! What else?

You know, I simply cannot believe the mentality of 48% of this country. I simply can't. A bunch of AMERICAN CIVILIANS die while fighting back against ARAB terrorists, and a red cresent "in no way" represents the ARABS!

UNBELIEVEABLE!!!

Gee! Let's build a mosque on Ground Zero! It won't mean anything!
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 4:41:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By zrxc77:
tinypic.com/dob3bb.gif




Has this been confirmed?

I'll (try to) hold my temper until then.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 4:44:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Agrippa:
There looks to be a small group of trees where the "star" should be. I showed this to my co-workers the other day. My next step is the local paper and news channels.



I saw that, too. Wasn't sure if it was some existing buildings or trees, or what.

But nope! It's not an Islamic cresent, by God!

Meanwh­ile, we have to change the Red Cross to the Red Diamond to avoid offending these................. people.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 4:55:38 AM EDT

From the article:

...
The designer maintains he used the term crescent only in the architectural sense of a curved line.

"This is not about any religion per se," Murdoch told the paper. "It's a spiritual space, and a sacred place, but it's open to anyone."
...




Translation: "Damn, I got caught time to tap dance."
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 5:21:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Zaphod:

Originally Posted By zrxc77:
tinypic.com/dob3bb.gif




Has this been confirmed?

I'll (try to) hold my temper until then.


Yes, it has.

I first learned about it while reading the comments in this blog. I, like you, was hesitant to simply accept something so outrageous without concrete proof. So I worked it out by myself using various neutral resources from around the Internet. You can see the detailed steps I took in this post.

The architect, expectedly, denies that his design has any connection to Islam. Personally, I find it hard to believe that so many exact matches (color, size, shape, proportions, pointing direction) could be just a series of unfortunate coincedences. But intentional or not, such Islamic symbolism does not belong in a 9/11 memorial.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 5:27:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cobrasks:
Pennsylvanians are all over this already.

Please keep posting this info everywhere and
anywhere you can.
Write reps and let them know.

This damn thing is suppose to be built
30 minutes from my place.

The amount of chainsaw dealers and gas stations
in that 30 minute drive will be to overpowering for us
to resist.

This aircraft past over my house on it's way down.

If this goes as is ,I hope the worthless puke artist is here
to face our rage when it is completed.

Go back to the West Coast !

WE don't want you here !

Take your freaks and pestilence with you.
This is a free state.Armed to the very end.



I know what you mean...I grew up about ten minutes from the crash site...just north of New Baltimore.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 5:34:36 AM EDT
Sad just sad. How about a big cross?
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 5:39:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By akethan:
Sad just sad. How about a big cross?


<sarcasm>

No, no, no!! Crosses are offensive and insensitive symbols that must be wiped from the face of the earth (even when they aren't Christian crosses):

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4237170.stm



</sarcasm>
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 5:49:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 5:50:35 AM EDT by Zaphod]

Originally Posted By zrxc77:

Originally Posted By Zaphod:

Originally Posted By zrxc77:
tinypic.com/dob3bb.gif




Has this been confirmed?

I'll (try to) hold my temper until then.


Yes, it has.



I'm simply speechless.


The architect, expectedly, denies that his design has any connection to Islam. Personally, I find it hard to believe that so many exact matches (color, size, shape, proportions, pointing direction) could be just a series of unfortunate coincedences.


Oh, no! It "just happened"! Really!



But intentional or not, such Islamic symbolism does not belong in a 9/11 memorial.


Hell, I'm surprised we haven't had a call (yet) to have "Allah u Ackbar!" emblazoned in firey three-story letters across any of the monuments.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 6:05:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 6:06:21 AM EDT by FordGuy]

Originally Posted By Merrell:

Originally Posted By WildBoar:

Originally Posted By omar:
The cat's out of the bag now.

Should be interesting to see how this runs in the press.



The Liberals and Democraps will cry racism and hatemongering by those who oppose it.



The closest local paper is the Johnstown Tribune Democrat ...

it will be interesting to watch their forum for hometown reaction





you're full of shit too - we have a lot of Old tyme newspapers that are called "somethign something democrat" that are not liberal at all. Not saying all are not, just saying don't judge a book....
We have "star" papers, "Tribune" papers, "Herald" papers, it's just a name. here in SC we have "The State" paper, don't mean we're socialists!

Back to the original thread: TANCREDO FOR PRESIDENT!
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 6:09:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FordGuy:

Originally Posted By Merrell:

Originally Posted By WildBoar:

Originally Posted By omar:
The cat's out of the bag now.

Should be interesting to see how this runs in the press.



The Liberals and Democraps will cry racism and hatemongering by those who oppose it.



The closest local paper is the Johnstown Tribune Democrat ...

it will be interesting to watch their forum for hometown reaction





you're full of shit too - we have a lot of Old tyme newspapers that are called "somethign something democrat" that are not liberal at all. Not saying all are not, just saying don't judge a book....
We have "star" papers, "Tribune" papers, "Herald" papers, it's just a name. here in SC we have "The State" paper, don't mean we're socialists!

Back to the original thread: TANCREDO FOR PRESIDENT!



wth are you talking about?

The link to the paper is just that, no commentary about "Democrat" being in the name.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 6:11:50 AM EDT
It is in today's local paper here in Peoria.

Haven't read the article yet. I'll find it online and post text if I can...
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 6:26:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MudFlapper:
Awesome man from Colordao!



He was on the Laura Ingraham Show this morning. Laura's closing comment to him was this: "Anyone who has so many people mad at him from both parties, must be doing something right." That hit the nail on the head for me.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 6:38:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thedave1164:
Careful supporting Tom, he has been blackballed by the Bush administration. GW has made it clear that he is putting distance between himself and Tom Tancredo.



Good. I have no love for the Bush administration. The fact that Bush wants to distance himself from Tancredo is another point in Tancredo's favor.

Just curious, has Tancredo made any suggestions about dealing with our illegal immigration problem?
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 6:39:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FanoftheBlackRifle:

Originally Posted By thedave1164:
Careful supporting Tom, he has been blackballed by the Bush administration. GW has made it clear that he is putting distance between himself and Tom Tancredo.



Good. I have no love for the Bush administration. The fact that Bush wants to distance himself from Tancredo is another point in Tancredo's favor.

Just curious, has Tancredo made any suggestions about dealing with our illegal immigration problem?



Your joking right?
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:59:05 AM EDT
this and the associated links must be one of the most disgusting examples of how PC will destroy our country
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:39:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By hakim:

Originally Posted By FanoftheBlackRifle:

Originally Posted By thedave1164:
Careful supporting Tom, he has been blackballed by the Bush administration. GW has made it clear that he is putting distance between himself and Tom Tancredo.



Good. I have no love for the Bush administration. The fact that Bush wants to distance himself from Tancredo is another point in Tancredo's favor.

Just curious, has Tancredo made any suggestions about dealing with our illegal immigration problem?



Your joking right?



Joking about what? The fact that I don't really like Bush, his cabinet, or what he's done as president? No. I'm not joking. I think he's doing a better job than Gore or Kerry would have, but the lesser of two evils is still evil.

As for the question about Tancredo's comments on illegal immegration, I wasn't joking about that either. I don't know what he's said and what he hasn't.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:45:49 AM EDT
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