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11/9/2018 9:21:38 PM
Posted: 7/17/2018 2:36:29 PM EST
Greetings,

I'm sure this is rehashed a topic as, "what pistol should I EDC" but it's a forum after all.

Got in to photography about a year ago. Bought a D40 from a member here, with the 18-55 and 70-300 kit lenses. Recently picked up a Tamron 200-500 as well, and a tripod which has seriously expanded my capabilities. I almost entirely shoot landscape/wildlife photos, or pictures of whisky bottles, and I suppose I am starting to see some limitations in my D40.

For one, the auto focus motor is toast, which is annoying at best. It lacks an intervalometer, pictures look great, but any cropping shows some pretty poor resolution.

I'm wanting to move up to something around the $600 range, and it seems like a big draw of the 7200 is that it would be compatible with my tamron lens. It also appears to be double the megapixels and has a smoother interface to run around in aperture priority mode. Any in put on what the next logical step is? This truly is just a hobby for me, but it's also my only hobby

Thanks arfcom!

Also, after the camera upgrade, I think a Tokina 11-16, and perhaps a doubler for my tamron are next on the list.
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 2:51:21 PM EST
You want the 7200..

Unless you're looking to get into prosumer and pro bodies. The 7200 has a lot of similarities to the d500 as far as I can tell.
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 3:06:10 PM EST
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 4:47:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Zack3g:
If you are having problems with autofocus, I've got some bad news.

The D40 does not have an autofocus motor. All that is handled inside the lens.

The D7200 does contain one for older screw drive lenses but if you're using lenses with in-lens AF motors this isn't really important.

The D40 has a 6mp resolution if I'm remembering correctly which, well...yeah it's time for an upgrade.
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Correction, I smacked it against a car and now the autofocus on the 18-55 doesn't work. So two of of my three lenses don't AF
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 4:50:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By clweathers:
You want the 7200..

Unless you're looking to get into prosumer and pro bodies. The 7200 has a lot of similarities to the d500 as far as I can tell.
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Would there be any real upsides to that for a hobbyist? I could buy all the stuff I have had my eye on for the price of a d500 body. I don't think I will ever have the money to be shelling out for crazy lenses, so I'm not sure I would even be taking advantage of something like that.

I honestly think a 7100 would suit my needs just fine even
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 6:03:56 PM EST
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7100 vs 7200

I bought a 7200 earlier this year to replace my D50.
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 6:55:41 PM EST
Craigslist for a body........you can get into a pretty stellar body for cheap.
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 7:20:53 PM EST
just upgraded from a D80 to a refurbished D7200
I am VERY happy
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 7:24:15 PM EST
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just upgraded from a D80 to a refurbished D7200
I am VERY happy
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@codesmith what did you snag it for? I need to peruse BH and Adorama for refurbs, that seems to be the way to go. CL and fb market aren't yielding a lot of results that aren't retail prices.
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 7:28:38 PM EST
The big difference between the 7100 and the 7200 is the 7200 has a bigger write buffer, meaning you can shoot full-auto longer without it bogging down. That can be somewhat alleviated with a fast card, but my 7100 bogs down after about 15-20 shots.

The big thing the D500 gets you is an absolutely awesome focusing system. Blows the doors off everything else out there, and is the same as what's i the flagship pro D5. 153 points, 99 of which are cross-type. t's also got a bottomless buffer, rated for 200 frames of 14-but raw.

My progression was a D50 > D200 > D7100 > D500, and unless I go full frame (unlikely) I'm sticking with what I have.

The 7200 is a fine, fine body and you'll really enjoy it.
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 11:07:19 PM EST
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@codesmith what did you snag it for? I need to peruse BH and Adorama for refurbs, that seems to be the way to go. CL and fb market aren't yielding a lot of results that aren't retail prices.
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Originally Posted By Bakke1:
Originally Posted By codesmith:
just upgraded from a D80 to a refurbished D7200
I am VERY happy
@codesmith what did you snag it for? I need to peruse BH and Adorama for refurbs, that seems to be the way to go. CL and fb market aren't yielding a lot of results that aren't retail prices.
Adorama $709 + Free shipping

Link to my thread asking questions

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/-/121-2090940/?page=1
Link Posted: 7/18/2018 4:13:25 PM EST
Any experience between the 7100 and 7200? It seems the AF motor and a higher ISO are the only real differences? And maybe the Bluetooth connectivity?
Link Posted: 7/18/2018 4:15:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Zack3g:
The af motor is basically the same. The real difference is the buffer capacity mentioned above. The d7200 with SanDisk extreme pro 95 cards has a virtually unlimited buffer. The same is not true for the d7100 although it does see some benefit.
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Yeah, I cheaped out when I got the 7100 (saved a few hundred on a refurb 7100 vs refurb 7200), not realizing how valuable for my style the bigger buffer of the 7200 would be. I like to take a lot of bursts, and the 7100 buffer bog just kills that after about 15 frames, even with the speediest cards around. This becomes extremely important if you shoot raw (which you should); raw file sizes are huge (5-6 times the jpg).

If lots of high frame-rate burst photography isn't something you think you'll ever want then you can save some money with the 7100.

If it is important than you almost have to get the 7200. And if it's REALLY important, look hard at the D500. It's got a 200-shot buffer sized for 14-bit raw, which means the camera is going to shut you down due to continuous number of shutters (the max number of continuous frames is selectable, but the upper limit is 200 to save friction wear on the shutter mechanism) before you run out of write-buffer space. And believe me, shooting a D500 at 10 FPS continuous until it maxes is ALMOST as much fun as shooting a full-auto belt-fed.
Link Posted: 7/18/2018 9:08:37 PM EST
Even though it's almost 4 years old, the D7200 is still one of the best APS-C (DX) cameras on the market right now. The only reason I got rid of mine was to upgrade to a full frame. Good memory cards make or break the camera, but mine was solid in everything from almost 100f to -40f weather. Starting out again would I recommend it? Hell yes.

Spec wise, they are fairly close with some minor (but personally to me) important differences.

-bigger buffer (18 vs 6 for 12 bit lossless)
-MUCH higher ISO range (25,600 instead of 6,400) with 'boost' modes up to 51,200-102,400 in B&W only. But 25,600 gives a pretty solid photo even with slower lenses. Not idea, but certainly usable with post work.
-better low light AF
Link Posted: 7/18/2018 9:09:14 PM EST
That said, glass will make or break your camera. What is your budget OP? It might be a few days but I can see if I can scrape up a few deals on gear.
Link Posted: 7/19/2018 7:41:27 AM EST
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Originally Posted By NorthPolar:
That said, glass will make or break your camera. What is your budget OP? It might be a few days but I can see if I can scrape up a few deals on gear.
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You are the best @NorthPolar !

700 ish is realistically what I would be looking to spend. I have been told that glass makes the camera, not the body. But I don't think that D40 is the same weight class even at this point. I'm in no rush to purchase, my real focus is to secure one by September or so for a vacation. It does seem that the buy once cry once would apply to picking up the 7200 over the 7100.
Link Posted: 7/19/2018 3:35:09 PM EST
Personally I would go with a D7500 instead of the D7200. I don't need the 2nd SD-card slot, and an official Nikon accessories grip, and 24MP capability. I call my D7500 a "poor man's" D500 because the D7500 has much of the D500 capabilities. The 7500 has vastly Superior low light capacities over the older D7200.
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Personally I would go with a D7500 instead of the D7200. I don't need the 2nd SD-card slot, and an official Nikon accessories grip, and 24MP capability. I call my D7500 a "poor man's" D500 because the D7500 has much of the D500 capabilities. The 7500 has vastly Superior low light capacities over the older D7200.
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For me, 2 slots is pretty much required these days. You can mirror, overflow, or use one for stills and another for video.

It's AMAZINGLY useful to have that second card for overflow. The card never fills up when you're shooting still life, and it always fills up when you're shooting some action. Not having to take the time to find that other card, swap 'em out, and get on the shutter is valuable to me.
Link Posted: 7/21/2018 8:12:53 PM EST
I own and use my 7200. My D500 is better. If you can budget for it I recommend the D500.
If you can't the D7200 is an excellent camera with even higher resolution.

I won't talk you out of it. I recommend it if a D500 is out of reach!

Good luck and best light to you!
Link Posted: 7/21/2018 8:43:46 PM EST
Check the Nikon refurb sale going on now. D7200 is $700 (I think) and the D500 is $1400
Link Posted: 7/22/2018 1:25:24 AM EST
I. Have a d7200. If I dropped it and repair was going to to much I would get another. The benefit of being able to use older AF lenses is important to me. The second slot to easily copy or adjust file sizes is another benefit.
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Link Posted: 7/22/2018 5:28:34 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FredMan:
The big difference between the 7100 and the 7200 is the 7200 has a bigger write buffer, meaning you can shoot full-auto longer without it bogging down. That can be somewhat alleviated with a fast card, but my 7100 bogs down after about 15-20 shots.

The big thing the D500 gets you is an absolutely awesome focusing system. Blows the doors off everything else out there, and is the same as what's i the flagship pro D5. 153 points, 99 of which are cross-type. t's also got a bottomless buffer, rated for 200 frames of 14-but raw.

My progression was a D50 > D200 > D7100 > D500, and unless I go full frame (unlikely) I'm sticking with what I have.

The 7200 is a fine, fine body and you'll really enjoy it.
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It’s easier than it should be to bog down the 7100 shooting raw files even with the fastest available card. Not a huge deal if you switch to jpeg before fast shooting, but the 7200 has an appropriately sized cache
Link Posted: 7/22/2018 6:59:20 AM EST
I have upgraded my FX cameras (now D810, soon D850) but kept my D7200 because it's a fantastic DX. I just don't have any need to upgrade that one. FWIW my DX progression was D70x, D80, D90, D7000, D7100 and the D7200 is still in the bag. I use it for macro, wildlife, and sports depending on the venue.
Link Posted: 7/25/2018 11:51:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FredMan:
For me, 2 slots is pretty much required these days. You can mirror, overflow, or use one for stills and another for video.

It's AMAZINGLY useful to have that second card for overflow. The card never fills up when you're shooting still life, and it always fills up when you're shooting some action. Not having to take the time to find that other card, swap 'em out, and get on the shutter is valuable to me.
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Originally Posted By warlord:
Personally I would go with a D7500 instead of the D7200. I don't need the 2nd SD-card slot, and an official Nikon accessories grip, and 24MP capability. I call my D7500 a "poor man's" D500 because the D7500 has much of the D500 capabilities. The 7500 has vastly Superior low light capacities over the older D7200.
For me, 2 slots is pretty much required these days. You can mirror, overflow, or use one for stills and another for video.

It's AMAZINGLY useful to have that second card for overflow. The card never fills up when you're shooting still life, and it always fills up when you're shooting some action. Not having to take the time to find that other card, swap 'em out, and get on the shutter is valuable to me.
If you are using the 2nd-SD slot as overflow, wouldn't it be better to get a bigger SD-card. Personally for me I have never overflowed my 32GB because I empty it before I go on an outing.

I always carry a spare SD-card, thought lesser quality, for that "just in case." I have never personally experienced SD card failure, but I know 3 people that have. They buy those cheap, off-brand cards off of Amazon; and apparently the write-protect switch goes bad and they can't write on it, it gives a funny message to change the switch position to enable a write, no matter how many times, they slide that switch back & forth, they can't fix the problem.

I ending up having to loan them my spare SD-card. One of them "looked a gift horse in the mouth," and complained that the little green light stays on for alot longer than his old card. I remind him that it works versus his old card that is kaput.
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Link Posted: 7/27/2018 10:27:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By Bakke1:
Greetings,

I'm sure this is rehashed a topic as, "what pistol should I EDC" but it's a forum after all.

Got in to photography about a year ago. Bought a D40 from a member here, with the 18-55 and 70-300 kit lenses. Recently picked up a Tamron 200-500 as well, and a tripod which has seriously expanded my capabilities. I almost entirely shoot landscape/wildlife photos, or pictures of whisky bottles, and I suppose I am starting to see some limitations in my D40.

For one, the auto focus motor is toast, which is annoying at best. It lacks an intervalometer, pictures look great, but any cropping shows some pretty poor resolution.

I'm wanting to move up to something around the $600 range, and it seems like a big draw of the 7200 is that it would be compatible with my tamron lens. It also appears to be double the megapixels and has a smoother interface to run around in aperture priority mode. Any in put on what the next logical step is? This truly is just a hobby for me, but it's also my only hobby

Thanks arfcom!

Also, after the camera upgrade, I think a Tokina 11-16, and perhaps a doubler for my tamron are next on the list.
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$600 is pretty low for a new or refurb'd D7200 body, I have seen the D7200/D7500 for ~$1,000, that is nearly double your budget; but I believe the D7200/D7500 does have the intervalometer that you mentioned. I know the D7500 has the intervalometer for both stills and video. The D7100 has intervalometer only for the stills.
Link Posted: 7/27/2018 10:39:54 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Zack3g:

Bigger SD card is kinda like the old "never put all your eggs in one basket" sort of thing.

For important shots, I use the second card slot as backup. For every day nonsense, I have it set to overflow in case I fill my primary card. This rarely, rarely happens.
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I have shot >500,000 photos, and hours of videos, and I have never lost a photo due to I/O errors in the SD card. But I have seen errors due to faulty "write protect" switch on SD cards that prevents the camera from writing on the SD card, and it was bought from Amazon like 3 or 4 times, I had to loan these intrepid photogs my spare SD card; of course it is an older and slower card, the little green write light stays on for a bit longer. I can several spares, just in case. This just like carrying spare mags even when I go to the range, because you will never know when you could have problems with the mag.
Link Posted: 7/28/2018 11:25:31 PM EST
My stepson is getting married and his bride to be likes photography. I bought them a D7200 and
I scored a minty used 24-120 F4G VR to slap on it. Unlike the Epic D500 the 7200 has a flash!
I know the lens I chose for them is a compromise but I feel if they get serious at all in using
the camera they can decide what focal length glass to buy. I also figured a reasonably compact and
not too heavy lens/body combo would be handier and therefore used more. They are buying a house
so they will get it early to document their life together.

My quick grab a camera bag is currently a D7200 with a 24-70 F2.8 G lens. I have a 70-200 F2.8G VR2 mounted
on the D500.

And my most ridiculous combo...a D500 on my 200mm F2 VR2 which just got here this week. I have a pelican
case on the way for the combo and got my first ever monopod today...a big carbon manfrotto and a tilt head for it.

Portraits of my daughters indicate the 200 is the best money I ever spent on a lens. It is just ridiculously sharp,
contrasty, colorful...and the bokeh is incredible...if anything gushing reviews of it do not go far enough. It is epic on a D500.

I am a happy camper. I have wanted an exotic Nikon prime telephoto since the 80's.

Sorry to sidetrack...I should say again the D7200 is a very, very fine camera. And 100 dollar instant rebate right now.
I got mine at B&H. For just under 1000 it is one hell of a value and has a 1 year warranty. 24 megapixels and the Expeed 4
processor are enough for almost everyone's needs. And the dual SD slot is nicer than the D500 which has 2 slots too...
but only the second is SD. The first slot is the costly super fast sony proprietary memory. I actually just use 1 SD card in mine.
I have not shelled out the 130+ dollar cost for a sony XQD 32 Gig card. Unless you are a speed freak or a low light freak
(I am both) the D7200 is a compelling value.
Link Posted: 7/29/2018 8:56:57 AM EST
Not going to talk you out of a 7200. My daughter has a 7100, and while I don't use it much, I do find myself editing her photos from time to time when she's doing "B Camera" stuff for me, and the image quality is very good. Having a motor drive, it's also compatible with my older lenses. With nearly a dozen lenses to choose from, she shoots almost entirely with my AF-D 50 f/1.8.
Link Posted: 7/30/2018 1:33:02 AM EST
cistercian: I got a Sony 32GB XQD card from B&H for $90, it was bit steep, and the dual XQD/SD card reader was $60, Sony is the only game in town at the moment. I believe UBS-II SD cards are a bit cheaper but way slower.
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I scored a minty used 24-120 F4G VR to slap on it
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I scored a minty used 24-120 F4G VR to slap on it
I know the lens I chose for them is a compromise
That's a hell of a lens to be calling a compromise. And FX to boot!
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That's a hell of a lens to be calling a compromise. And FX to boot!
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I scored a minty used 24-120 F4G VR to slap on it
I know the lens I chose for them is a compromise
That's a hell of a lens to be calling a compromise. And FX to boot!
Well, I am mostly German in DNA and sadly I am OCD to a ridiculous degree when it come to optics.
My binos are Leicas. My Spotting scope is an Apo 77 Televid Leica.

And my portrait cheat code is the Nikkor 200mm F2G VR2. I like using FX on DX because it does 2 very
wonderful things. 1. It pretty much nukes all vignetting concerns and 2. It greatly reduces field distortion issues too.
I would never own that lens...I am critical to a unhealthy degree. But for someone starting out it will be a treasure.
It will likely be all they ever need. Mission accomplished!

Now for the tale of woe...as a little boy I loved looking through my dad's binoculars. Of course, he got sick of me
bugging him so he bought a pair of those cheap plastic things for me to play with. They of course had chromatic aberration
galore, pure shit resolution, and they bound up while trying to focus them. Fed up with the total shit that they were I violently threw them
down onto the concrete back porch of my grandparents house...where they shattered like glass. I was severely scolded and sent to my room but I knew
in my tiny perfectionist heart those binos were damned and needed to be destroyed!

All these years later as I use my Leicas...I still feel justified completely. Thank God actual fantastic optics are in my grasp!!!!! At last. Something
that works as it should!!!

PS. I have ruined my daughters. The only binoculars they have ever used are my Leicas.
Link Posted: 7/31/2018 12:55:47 AM EST
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Originally Posted By cistercian:

Well, I am mostly German in DNA and sadly I am OCD to a ridiculous degree when it come to optics.
My binos are Leicas. My Spotting scope is an Apo 77 Televid Leica.

And my portrait cheat code is the Nikkor 200mm F2G VR2. I like using FX on DX because it does 2 very
wonderful things. 1. It pretty much nukes all vignetting concerns and 2. It greatly reduces field distortion issues too.
I would never own that lens...I am critical to a unhealthy degree. But for someone starting out it will be a treasure.
It will likely be all they ever need. Mission accomplished!
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Leica optics

Using a FX lens on APS-C/DX body is quite logical, where the image in the middle is the sharpest and distortion is minimal, aberrations is the hardest to control at the edges and corners.
Link Posted: 8/14/2018 10:04:54 PM EST
The only way I could talk you out of a D7200 was if you were on the fence about a D500. D7000/7200 series is a great choice. I had the D88/D90/D7000. I bumped up to D500. I'll go as far to say D7000 was easier to use, I prefer the dials on the D7000 (and probably D7200), but I wanted something bigger and more ergonomic in my hands with the latest tech. If I had the D7200 I still wouldn't be disappointed. You have a good choice.
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Leica optics

Using a FX lens on APS-C/DX body is quite logical, where the image in the middle is the sharpest and distortion is minimal, aberrations is the hardest to control at the edges and corners.
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Originally Posted By cistercian:

Well, I am mostly German in DNA and sadly I am OCD to a ridiculous degree when it come to optics.
My binos are Leicas. My Spotting scope is an Apo 77 Televid Leica.

And my portrait cheat code is the Nikkor 200mm F2G VR2. I like using FX on DX because it does 2 very
wonderful things. 1. It pretty much nukes all vignetting concerns and 2. It greatly reduces field distortion issues too.
I would never own that lens...I am critical to a unhealthy degree. But for someone starting out it will be a treasure.
It will likely be all they ever need. Mission accomplished!
.
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Leica optics

Using a FX lens on APS-C/DX body is quite logical, where the image in the middle is the sharpest and distortion is minimal, aberrations is the hardest to control at the edges and corners.
There are a few cases where an FX lens is worse on DX. They are lenses that have "mustache" distortion. They are
softer in the corner on DX than FX!!!! Weird but true. I think I have seen 2 cases...otherwise FX glass is much better on DX
the only penalty being weight. Resale is better too. Using the sweet spot is great stuff indeed.

Also, if I ever get a FX camera...I am good to go! But for planes, birds, action....DX is perfect for me.

ETA. Leica optics are sublime and epic.
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