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Posted: 3/10/2011 1:35:38 PM EDT
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Your buddy is a moron.
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Posted: 3/10/2011 1:36:12 PM EDT
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I am not shocked
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Posted: 3/10/2011 1:36:17 PM EDT
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So, I dropped my buddy off at the airport this morning (MSP - Minneapolis/St. Paul.) I just txted him to see that everything went well. Turns out he was given a choice over his security. Standard metal detector procedure, or he could "opt-in" to the nude body scanner. No pat-down. He chose to use the metal detector. He forgot to take his laptop out of his backpack, so they had to do additional screening on it. They missed his Kershaw Avalanche on two X-rays. They also missed it on a hand inspection. So, the "essential" nude image scanners are not being used, and the tools they are using they are not using properly. No great surprise. Also, the TSA is testing cheek swab genetic scanners now too...1 hour results. If that happens I'll never fly again, which will be sad, because I currently travel quite a bit. |
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Posted: 3/10/2011 1:37:06 PM EDT
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Seems to vary a lot, recently flying out of boston they have both the old and new style scanners and the TSA people direct you to one or the other (my wife always gets sent into the naked scanner).
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Posted: 3/10/2011 1:38:01 PM EDT
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Do I need to post the Adam Savage 12-inch Razor Blades video again, or have we all seen it?
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Posted: 3/10/2011 1:40:08 PM EDT
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So, the "essential" nude image scanners are not being used, and the tools they are using they are not using properly. Depending on whats around it in the bag it can be missed. Usually stuff gets picked up, but sometimes they miss it. You stand in front of the X ray and we'll see how good you are at picking junk out of a mass of stuff on the display. |
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Posted: 3/10/2011 1:40:43 PM EDT
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I flew from S. Texas to KC a week ago and got the imaging. no metal detector in operation. Then I got a upper body rub down as well. that seemed to be happening on everyone as well. |
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Posted: 3/10/2011 1:48:47 PM EDT
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i'd be pissed off if i was inline behind him and he forgot to take his laptop out :)
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Posted: 3/10/2011 1:51:11 PM EDT
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i'd be pissed off if i was inline behind him and he forgot to take his laptop out :) Exactly, there's only 50 signs on the way up there telling you to do so. Imagine the scene that would have happened if they found his knife. They would have probably emptied the terminal right before they blew up his backpack on the tarmac with a robot. |
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Posted: 3/10/2011 1:58:48 PM EDT
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i'd be pissed off if i was inline behind him and he forgot to take his laptop out :) Exactly, there's only 50 signs on the way up there telling you to do so. Imagine the scene that would have happened if they found his knife. They would have probably emptied the terminal right before they blew up his backpack on the tarmac with a robot. it would at the very least closed that machine for a bit and been bad for him its not that hard to get your shit together to fly you don't need to be a "shoeless and metal free in seconds" guy but shit like talking your laptop out and putting the knifes in the check bags are basic. aslo dont try and prance through the machine with your jacket on and act confuesed when they send you back |
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Posted: 3/10/2011 1:58:59 PM EDT
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So, the "essential" nude image scanners are not being used, and the tools they are using they are not using properly. Depending on whats around it in the bag it can be missed. Usually stuff gets picked up, but sometimes they miss it. You stand in front of the X ray and we'll see how good you are at picking junk out of a mass of stuff on the display. +1 |
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Posted: 3/10/2011 2:00:09 PM EDT
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I flew from S. Texas to KC a week ago and got the imaging. no metal detector in operation. Then I got a upper body rub down as well. that seemed to be happening on everyone as well.
The metal detectors are always in operation. You were mistaken. |
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Posted: 3/10/2011 2:18:17 PM EDT
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I fly in 2 days.
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Posted: 3/10/2011 2:21:00 PM EDT
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I fly in 2 days. Me in 3 days. |
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Posted: 3/10/2011 2:22:53 PM EDT
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I fly in 2 days. you don't have a hair on your ass if you don't go dressed like your avatar ... 
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Posted: 3/10/2011 2:24:32 PM EDT
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So, the "essential" nude image scanners are not being used, and the tools they are using they are not using properly. Depending on whats around it in the bag it can be missed. Usually stuff gets picked up, but sometimes they miss it. You stand in front of the X ray and we'll see how good you are at picking junk out of a mass of stuff on the display. It'd be pretty tough to do worse than the 40% "find" rate the TSA manages. "Usually" implies something happening more often than not and "sometimes" means it happens less frequently than it does, by the way. OP, don't worry about the TSA using the old equipment because they apparently can't find handguns with the new equipment, either. |
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Posted: 3/10/2011 2:33:00 PM EDT
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The scanners were in operation last time I flew, but it seemed like they were pulling people out of the two middle lines for them. I went to one of the outside lines and didn't see anyone get pulled- maybe if you pop the metal detector.
The sales guy went through with a 12oz. bottle of lotion in his carryon. "I just keep bringing it until they tell me to throw it away...this is its 4th trip." 
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Posted: 3/10/2011 2:37:30 PM EDT
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So, the "essential" nude image scanners are not being used, and the tools they are using they are not using properly. Depending on whats around it in the bag it can be missed. Usually stuff gets picked up, but sometimes they miss it. You stand in front of the X ray and we'll see how good you are at picking junk out of a mass of stuff on the display. It'd be pretty tough to do worse than the 40% "find" rate the TSA manages. "Usually" implies something happening more often than not and "sometimes" means it happens less frequently than it does, by the way. OP, don't worry about the TSA using the old equipment because they apparently can't find handguns with the new equipment, either. To bad no one talks about the thousands who failed X-ray exams during the hiring process, when TSA started. Have you ever tried it? It's not as easy as you think. I bet you would fail. |
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Posted: 3/10/2011 3:46:52 PM EDT
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So, the "essential" nude image scanners are not being used, and the tools they are using they are not using properly. Depending on whats around it in the bag it can be missed. Usually stuff gets picked up, but sometimes they miss it. You stand in front of the X ray and we'll see how good you are at picking junk out of a mass of stuff on the display. It'd be pretty tough to do worse than the 40% "find" rate the TSA manages. "Usually" implies something happening more often than not and "sometimes" means it happens less frequently than it does, by the way. OP, don't worry about the TSA using the old equipment because they apparently can't find handguns with the new equipment, either. To bad no one talks about the thousands who failed X-ray exams during the hiring process, when TSA started. Have you ever tried it? It's not as easy as you think. I bet you would fail. I don't care about them. I'm concerned with the ones who didn't fail and were hired. I don't care if it is hard. 40% is an abject failure no matter how you frame it. If the security doesn't work, then either change the security procedures to something that DOES work, or just get rid of the whole expensive joke entirely. Paying $7 billion a year for a "service" that is utterly ineffective is absurd. |
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Posted: 3/10/2011 3:58:47 PM EDT
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I fly 6-8 times per month. The airports I frequent are SFO, lax, Dia, msp, and SLC. They all have both at least one backscatter X-ray/millimeter wave machine. After the first tsp agent checks your I'd and boarding pass, it's up to you to pick what line you want to go in. I only got fooled to going into slc's mm wave machine once. When I realized what line I was in I asked if I could go to the basic metal detector line. I was told I could but would have to get an extra thorough patdown.
After that, I always make sure I'm in line for the basic metal detector. The backscatter/mm wave lines are marketed as being faster but they aren't. TSA does not force you to go through certain lines as per my personal experiences. |
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Posted: 3/10/2011 4:05:54 PM EDT
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You are wrong, the bodies scanners are going to cause such an outrage that people are going to stop flying...
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Posted: 3/10/2011 4:14:11 PM EDT
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I don't care about them. I'm concerned with the ones who didn't fail and were hired. I don't care if it is hard. 40% is an abject failure no matter how you frame it. If the security doesn't work, then either change the security procedures to something that DOES work, or just get rid of the whole expensive joke entirely. Paying $7 billion a year for a "service" that is utterly ineffective is absurd. I don't know what they base the "find" per centage on. Is it actual stuff put in the bags by evaluators that are found, or is it the per centage of the bogus stuff the computer program throws up on the screen to test the X ray person? I'm talking about the bogus images that if you don't acknowledge they are there the machine tells you that you missed a simulated threat. Some of those images are downright ridiculous; they might simulate a real thing, but you look on the screen and all you see is a thin wire in the mess of garbage on the screen that you were supposed to spot. No way is a person going to reliably spot that simulated threat. edit: Apparently the figure comes from old tests done at a limited number of airports several years ago. http://blog.tsa.gov/2010/12/70-detection-failure-rate-being.html |
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Posted: 3/10/2011 4:33:39 PM EDT
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its not that hard to get your shit together to fly you don't need to be a "shoeless and metal free in seconds" guy but shit like talking your laptop out and putting the knifes in the check bags are basic. Basic, only if we agree that it's acceptable. |
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Posted: 3/10/2011 4:34:40 PM EDT
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I flew to and from Puerto Rico and got no extra screening
I was a bit disappointed
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Posted: 3/10/2011 4:34:42 PM EDT
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I don't care about them. I'm concerned with the ones who didn't fail and were hired. I don't care if it is hard. 40% is an abject failure no matter how you frame it. If the security doesn't work, then either change the security procedures to something that DOES work, or just get rid of the whole expensive joke entirely. Paying $7 billion a year for a "service" that is utterly ineffective is absurd. I don't know what they base the "find" per centage on. Is it actual stuff put in the bags by evaluators that are found, or is it the per centage of the bogus stuff the computer program throws up on the screen to test the X ray person? I'm talking about the bogus images that if you don't acknowledge they are there the machine tells you that you missed a simulated threat. Some of those images are downright ridiculous; they might simulate a real thing, but you look on the screen and all you see is a thin wire in the mess of garbage on the screen that you were supposed to spot. No way is a person going to reliably spot that simulated threat. edit: Apparently the figure comes from old tests done at a limited number of airports several years ago. http://blog.tsa.gov/2010/12/70-detection-failure-rate-being.html Yes, that study. Which is the only available data. |
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Posted: 3/10/2011 4:39:55 PM EDT
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I was asked to go repeatedly through the metal detector recently. Eventually I guessed it might be my belt and took it off. At no point did anyone suggest it was my belt or take a wand to me to help localize the problem. I was not impressed.
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Posted: 3/10/2011 4:54:51 PM EDT
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The body scanners were never about security.
They were about a government kick back program disguised as security theater. |
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Posted: 3/10/2011 5:29:09 PM EDT
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I was asked to go repeatedly through the metal detector recently. Eventually I guessed it might be my belt and took it off. At no point did anyone suggest it was my belt or take a wand to me to help localize the problem. I was not impressed. So rather than pull you aside and perform an invasive full body part down, they instead gave you multiple opportunities to figure out what metal object you neglected to remove? Not seeing the problem here... |
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Posted: 3/10/2011 5:32:00 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I flew from S. Texas to KC a week ago and got the imaging. no metal detector in operation. Then I got a upper body rub down as well. that seemed to be happening on everyone as well. The metal detectors are always in operation. You were mistaken. may have been in operation but were not being utilized. all passenger traffic was through the scanners. does that satisfy you. |
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Posted: 3/10/2011 5:34:26 PM EDT
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Yes, that study. Which is the only available data. Its the only PUBLIC data. TSA sends people around to airports all the time to test the TSA screeners, and I am sure they keep their own stats. They came through our airport a couple of weeks ago while I was covering a shift |
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Posted: 3/11/2011 6:08:05 AM EDT
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Yes, that study. Which is the only available data. Its the only PUBLIC data. TSA sends people around to airports all the time to test the TSA screeners, and I am sure they keep their own stats. They came through our airport a couple of weeks ago while I was covering a shift It is not the only public data. There have been several news Expose-type sting ops with abissmal success rates. |
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Posted: 3/11/2011 6:08:51 AM EDT
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wheres my surprised face?
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Posted: 3/11/2011 6:11:53 AM EDT
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You are wrong, the bodies scanners are going to cause such an outrage that people are going to stop flying... That is part of the reason I think they are pretty much "opt-in" at this point. TSA and .gov saw the outrage and decided that they couldn't remove them. So instead they figure bringing them in a much more slow fashion will make it less of a public image nightmare. The only problem with this they claimed these things would save thousands of lives and catch all sorts of terrorists. But, by leaving the naked image scanners collect dust, they are clearly putting the public at risk for not keeping the skys as safe as they can. Either the machines work and they are derilect in their duties to protect; or the machines don't work and this was fraud on a national level. |
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Posted: 3/11/2011 6:13:04 AM EDT
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Your buddy is a moron. Yea. The knife is unexcuseable. But since I don't think he has flown post-9/11 I will give him a pass on the laptop... once. |
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Posted: 3/11/2011 6:42:34 AM EDT
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Very recently at LSA on my way home for R&R leave I yelled to the guy watching the screen to make sure he got a good look at my sack.
Couldn't see the meat gazer's reaction, but I did make the E6 who was directing us where and how to stand bust out laughing. When I was told to turn around I squatted a little and pointed at my ass, eliciting another good laugh. 
No way in hell will I submit to one of those out of uniform. |
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Posted: 3/11/2011 7:05:31 AM EDT
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So, the "essential" nude image scanners are not being used, and the tools they are using they are not using properly. Depending on whats around it in the bag it can be missed. Usually stuff gets picked up, but sometimes they miss it. You stand in front of the X ray and we'll see how good you are at picking junk out of a mass of stuff on the display. Directly from a TSA bomb assessment officer, they detect less than 50% of bombs through security. Your false sense of security is false. In many cases, the cluster fuck and time wasting TSA fails to inspect a passenger or two, every hour. This would be first hand info. /tax dollars at work. |
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Posted: 3/11/2011 9:11:36 AM EDT
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Yes, that study. Which is the only available data. Its the only PUBLIC data. TSA sends people around to airports all the time to test the TSA screeners, and I am sure they keep their own stats. They came through our airport a couple of weeks ago while I was covering a shift I'm sure they keep their own stats too. I'm also sure that if they had improved they would have released the new data, and trumpeted it from on high. No one wants people to think they suck horribly at their job, especially when they are unpopular and funded by taxdollars. |
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Posted: 3/11/2011 9:14:34 AM EDT
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So, I dropped my buddy off at the airport this morning (MSP - Minneapolis/St. Paul.) I just txted him to see that everything went well. Turns out he was given a choice over his security. Standard metal detector procedure, or he could "opt-in" to the nude body scanner. No pat-down. He chose to use the metal detector. He forgot to take his laptop out of his backpack, so they had to do additional screening on it. They missed his Kershaw Avalanche on two X-rays. They also missed it on a hand inspection. So, the "essential" nude image scanners are not being used, and the tools they are using they are not using properly. That's because they are too focused on anally inserted firebombs to remember how the last airliners were hijacked. |
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Posted: 3/11/2011 9:21:11 AM EDT
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I was asked to go repeatedly through the metal detector recently. Eventually I guessed it might be my belt and took it off. At no point did anyone suggest it was my belt or take a wand to me to help localize the problem. I was not impressed. Yea, they should have bent you over and fucked you in the ass with a hand held metal detector instead of conveniently letting you fix the problem. |
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Posted: 3/11/2011 9:29:51 AM EDT
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I was asked to go repeatedly through the metal detector recently. Eventually I guessed it might be my belt and took it off. At no point did anyone suggest it was my belt or take a wand to me to help localize the problem. I was not impressed. Yea, they should have bent you over and fucked you in the ass with a hand held metal detector instead of conveniently letting you fix the problem. 
May I suggest a new sig line, sir? |
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Posted: 3/11/2011 9:32:11 AM EDT
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I was asked to go repeatedly through the metal detector recently. Eventually I guessed it might be my belt and took it off. At no point did anyone suggest it was my belt or take a wand to me to help localize the problem. I was not impressed. Yea, they should have bent you over and fucked you in the ass with a hand held metal detector instead of conveniently letting you fix the problem.
May I suggest a new sig line, sir? I see what you did there! 
Of course I am not proposing that I do it for them........
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Posted: 3/11/2011 9:57:46 AM EDT
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I will be flying into the US in a couple days. My intinerary includes Baghdad and Beirut. I believe it will be interesting to say the least.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 10:25:21 AM EDT
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It turns out he had 2 knives in his carry-on while leaving MSP.
His kershaw pocket folder, and a larger Swiss Army Knife in a pouch in his backpack. What a bunch of clowns, all the way around. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 12:57:36 PM EDT
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Very recently at LSA on my way home for R&R leave I yelled to the guy watching the screen to make sure he got a good look at my sack. Couldn't see the meat gazer's reaction, but I did make the E6 who was directing us where and how to stand bust out laughing. When I was told to turn around I squatted a little and pointed at my ass, eliciting another good laugh.
No way in hell will I submit to one of those out of uniform. Why did you submit to it in uniform? Was this Ali? I was going to refuse but they picked someone else. |
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