THE STATE OF THE DIRT BIKE, 2011

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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - THE STATE OF THE DIRT BIKE, 2011

Posted: 12/14/2010 12:42:11 PM EDT

http://articles.superhunky.com/4/244

Posted: 12/14/2010 1:32:44 PM EDT

[#1]

It smells like bean oil up in this mother-fucker.

Posted: 12/14/2010 1:43:32 PM EDT

[#2]

Love that smell.

Posted: 12/14/2010 5:42:45 PM EDT

[#3]

I would love a 450-600 that was light and durable. Bonus points if I can ride it to work

Posted: 12/14/2010 7:41:35 PM EDT

[#4]

Seems that the writer forgot about all of the 4 stroke KTM's Husky's that don't blow up.

Back in the day you could fine all sorts of blown up 2 strokes in the Little Nickel or Cycle trader.

The ones that the tards "forgot" to premix the fuel or they let that leaking crank seal go one ride too many before it ate itself.

Posted: 12/14/2010 7:47:41 PM EDT

[#5]

so he found 2 blown up bikes on craigslist that were probably neglected and somehow every bike is crap.

Posted: 12/15/2010 7:13:59 AM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
so he found 2 blown up bikes on craigslist that were probably neglected and somehow every bike is crap.

It seems to be popular for a certain portion of the "off-road riding community" to do little but cry about some massive 4-stroke conspiracy, and wax poetic about everything 2-stroke. I understand personal preference and all, but just never "got" why people put so much time and energy into going all sandy-vag about the ones they don't like.

Vote with your wallet. The whole argument starts and ends with that. If you don't like 4-strokes, don't buy one. Go buy a 2-stroke instead. Enjoy your bike. There's nothing else to it.

Posted: 12/15/2010 11:05:03 AM EDT

[#7]

I've always appreciated his perspective, the 2 strokes are lighter and more powerful, displacement for displacement.

The Honda CRF450x does wear out the intake valves quickly and the 4fiddy 4 wheeler valves are generally used as replacements.

The Yamaha WR450f, on the other hand, has proven itself quite well. There is a guy with 10,600 motocross track miles on his WR. It's an incredible story of multi cracked frames, welding, broken springs, broken wheels and only one engine failure. I really can't think of any 2 strokes that can do that.

However, I also can't think of a 2 stroke anywhere near as heavy as the WR450.

Posted: 12/15/2010 3:45:02 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:

I've always appreciated his perspective, the 2 strokes are lighter and more powerful, displacement for displacement.

The Honda CRF450x does wear out the intake valves quickly and the 4fiddy 4 wheeler valves are generally used as replacements.

The Yamaha WR450f, on the other hand, has proven itself quite well. There is a guy with 10,600 motocross track miles on his WR. It's an incredible story of multi cracked frames, welding, broken springs, broken wheels and only one engine failure. I really can't think of any 2 strokes that can do that.

However, I also can't think of a 2 stroke anywhere near as heavy as the WR450.

The WR's 5-valve motor is a fucking tank, it's incredibly tough. There's ample room in the motorcycle world for both 4 and 2 strokes, seems like everyone's emotionally invested in one or the other, I like both. Both have advantages and disadvantages. So what? Isn't that everything motorcycle?

Eh, gives people something to blow hard about I guess.

Posted: 12/15/2010 3:54:42 PM EDT

[#9]

Owned both [in my younger years] each has their advantages and disadvantages.

Still miss my TT500 pig. I rode that for years and other then a rear tire and set of sprockets and a chain each year, and a front tire once, and a set of brakes, I never did anything more then basic maintenance. Loved hill climbing and just letting it grunt low in the RPM band near the top whereas the 2 strokers of the era would either lug or bang gears back and forth trying to find the sweet spot.

To old to beat the piss out myself now.

Posted: 12/15/2010 4:20:21 PM EDT

[#10]

Rebuilt the engine in this bike for less than 250 bucks. Sleeve, boring, piston and rings.

My buddy has a 07? KTM that his brother toasted by using silicone on a cover and plugging some oil ports, Dealer quoted 3800 f-ing dollars to fix. Even fixing it myself it will cost 1200 just for parts! all it needs is a Crank and rod, bearings and some misc other little parts, the upper part of the engine still had oil pressure so it is fine. ( the engine has seperate oil passages for the upper and lower) thank god! Not to mention the ridiculous price for the titanium valves (4 of them) that factory recommends to be replaced like every 40 hours of ride time!?@

Posted: 12/15/2010 5:45:12 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:

Rebuilt the engine in this bike for less than 250 bucks. Sleeve, boring, piston and rings.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c83/goodnbuzzd/CR%20125R/CR3.jpg

My buddy has a 07? KTM that his brother toasted by using silicone on a cover and plugging some oil ports, Dealer quoted 3800 f-ing dollars to fix. Even fixing it myself it will cost 1200 just for parts! all it needs is a Crank and rod, bearings and some misc other little parts, the upper part of the engine still had oil pressure so it is fine. ( the engine has seperate oil passages for the upper and lower) thank god! Not to mention the ridiculous price for the titanium valves (4 of them) that factory recommends to be replaced like every 40 hours of ride time!?@

So what you're saying is it was cheaper to rebuild the engine of a 27+ year old 125cc Jap 2-smoke than a modern, race-bred European dirt bike that the owner prematurely fucked up?

That is shocking.

Fuel to the fire, I'm riding an 9 year old 4-stroke yamaha airhead that's going on 25,000 miles with no engine problems whatsoever. Valves are still in spec. The whole bike cost me about what your buddy's engine parts would. Not many 2-smokes will go that long without a few rebuilds.

So, I could say your $250 is $250 more than I've spent on my 4-stroke motor.

Posted: 12/15/2010 6:02:26 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Rebuilt the engine in this bike for less than 250 bucks. Sleeve, boring, piston and rings.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c83/goodnbuzzd/CR%20125R/CR3.jpg
My buddy has a 07? KTM that his brother toasted by using silicone on a cover and plugging some oil ports, Dealer quoted 3800 f-ing dollars to fix. Even fixing it myself it will cost 1200 just for parts! all it needs is a Crank and rod, bearings and some misc other little parts, the upper part of the engine still had oil pressure so it is fine. ( the engine has seperate oil passages for the upper and lower) thank god! Not to mention the ridiculous price for the titanium valves (4 of them) that factory recommends to be replaced like every 40 hours of ride time!?@

So what you're saying is it was cheaper to rebuild the engine of a 27+ year old 125cc Jap 2-smoke than a modern, race-bred European dirt bike that the owner prematurely fucked up?

That is shocking.

Fuel to the fire, I'm riding an 9 year old 4-stroke yamaha airhead that's going on 25,000 miles with no engine problems whatsoever. Valves are still in spec. The whole bike cost me about what your buddy's engine parts would. Not many 2-smokes will go that long without a few rebuilds.

So, I could say your $250 is $250 more than I've spent on my 4-stroke motor.

Did you read the article posted? It was about the fact that the new bikes are prohibitively expensive to repair. I merely echoed that opinion by posting an example of my experience on the issue. I have no interest in turning it into some pissing match. As for your bike, that's great. Hopefully you can squeeze 25,000 more.

Posted: 12/15/2010 6:22:37 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Rebuilt the engine in this bike for less than 250 bucks. Sleeve, boring, piston and rings.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c83/goodnbuzzd/CR%20125R/CR3.jpg

My buddy has a 07? KTM that his brother toasted by using silicone on a cover and plugging some oil ports, Dealer quoted 3800 f-ing dollars to fix. Even fixing it myself it will cost 1200 just for parts! all it needs is a Crank and rod, bearings and some misc other little parts, the upper part of the engine still had oil pressure so it is fine. ( the engine has seperate oil passages for the upper and lower) thank god! Not to mention the ridiculous price for the titanium valves (4 of them) that factory recommends to be replaced like every 40 hours of ride time!?@

So what you're saying is it was cheaper to rebuild the engine of a 27+ year old 125cc Jap 2-smoke than a modern, race-bred European dirt bike that the owner prematurely fucked up?

That is shocking.

Fuel to the fire, I'm riding an 9 year old 4-stroke yamaha airhead that's going on 25,000 miles with no engine problems whatsoever. Valves are still in spec. The whole bike cost me about what your buddy's engine parts would. Not many 2-smokes will go that long without a few rebuilds.

So, I could say your $250 is $250 more than I've spent on my 4-stroke motor.

Did you read the article posted? It was about the fact that the new bikes are prohibitively expensive to repair. I merely echoed that opinion by posting an example of my experience on the issue. I have no interest in turning it into some pissing match. As for your bike, that's great. Hopefully you can squeeze 25,000 more.

Yes I read the article, no I didn't think your example made a solid argument in support of it. Race bikes, at least some of them, are expensive to repair, it's an expensive hobby. But, not all 4-strokes require that kind of cost or maintenance, just as some 2-smokes will chew into your wallet frequently and over the span of ownership cost about the same.

Not a pissing match, I'm not arguing against either engine just telling you comparing a bike that was built during Reagan's presidency to a modern race bike that the owner grenaded is maybe not a convincing comparison of the disparity of cost.

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