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Posted: 10/5/2004 3:22:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/5/2004 3:24:30 AM EST by HiramRanger]
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Germs....
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:24:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/5/2004 3:31:11 AM EST by Cypher214]
WOOOT!!!



Please, fellas... tell us again how Kerry is going to win because of his performance at the debate...
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Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:34:55 AM EST
California, New York, Vermont, Mass and Rhode Island.

That's all the states Kerry will get. And he still might not take California.

SGatr15
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:36:04 AM EST
OK, you have your poll back.
You happy now?
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:36:32 AM EST
Saaaaaaaaa... WEET !!
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:42:19 AM EST
yesah!
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:42:33 AM EST
I won't be happy until Ohio and Florida are SOLID RED.
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Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:58:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By bulldog1967:
I won't be happy until Ohio and Florida are SOLID RED.



Ahemmmmm....[clearing throat] WHAT ABOUT WI? I'm doing my part...but nobody has polled me.

Kerry is teh suck.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:59:34 AM EST
That can't be right! I was watching CNN and they said that Bush did horrible in the debate and that Kerry won...I expect masses of people to change their opinions and support Kerry now
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:04:44 AM EST
The author of site just changed how he calculates the polling data. Instead of using the latest poll, he's averaging the polls over the last 7 days. So that means half the data figured into the map is pre-debate data. So don't rejoice just yet.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:05:23 AM EST
Going back to 1984, the concensus winner of the first debate, according to national polls, was:

1984: Walter Mondale
1988: Michael Dukakis
1992: Ross Perot
1996: Bill Clinton
2000: Al Gore
2004: Dukakis II, Electric Bugaloo (Thanks Raven)

Ask Presidents Mondale, Dukakis, Perot, and Gore: How important are the debates?

You should also note that in the polls on who won the debate, the data shows something like 77% of those surveyed claimed to have watched the debate. Right.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:17:16 AM EST
Welcome aboard NH... didn't know you were comin along for the ride!


- BG
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:18:25 AM EST
Assuming the polls are correct, this is good news, because it shows that most voters are voting on the issues rather than on public speaking. IMO, Kerry won the debate big time, because he looked viably presidential, something he had not earlier been able to do.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:39:41 AM EST
Still can't believe TN went pink! Oh well as long as Bush wins the big picture I guess I can live with pink. At least it's not blue or white/blue
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:39:45 AM EST
Dammit, Ohio still isn't solid!

Electionprojection.com, which is more pro-Bush, still has it at 243/295. Maybe they just haven't updated.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:47:36 AM EST
I don't care what the map says now. We cannot allow Kerry to get in under any conditions. Keep promoting Bush and fighting Kerry. I will keep fighting even after Nov 2 if necessary.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:49:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By gunham:
I don't care what the map says now. We cannot allow Kerry to get in under any conditions. Keep promoting Bush and fighting Kerry. I will keep fighting even after Nov 2 if necessary.



good post.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:51:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:
Dammit, Ohio still isn't solid!

Electionprojection.com, which is more pro-Bush, still has it at 243/295. Maybe they just haven't updated.



Electionprojection.com only updates once a week.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:53:56 AM EST
Come on Minnesota, don't embarass yourself again!

GunLvr
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:54:27 AM EST
WOW 321
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:57:41 AM EST
i don't care what color jersey is, i'm with 'W'!!! and if it was up to me, my friends in the safe would vote too!
wanted to watch the debate tonight but since lori (the pastry chef) lost her job last week, i'm back to working a few week nights and weekends. i hate restaurants and screwed up chefs!!!! darn!
be well
maxwell
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 5:07:26 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/5/2004 5:08:31 AM EST by ClayP]
I like this one too

www.electoral-vote.com/fin/oct05p.html

Projected Nov finish:

Bush 350
Kerry 178
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 5:11:13 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/5/2004 5:16:20 AM EST by PAEBR332]
IEM has Bush Futures at $.58. Intrade has Bush Futures at $.60. Peope who are putting money on the election are betting solidly on Bush.

Intrade has Republican sweep futures (Republicans win Presidency, retain House and Senate) trading at $.59. Democratic Sweep Futures are currently trading at $.01. That's right: One cent.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 5:17:06 AM EST
How close is it in Californistan? And if Bush gets on a roll early on election night, will the time differential in the pacific result in victory there?
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 5:20:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By TWIRE:
How close is it in Californistan? And if Bush gets on a roll early on election night, will the time differential in the pacific result in victory there?



Polls going back to May show a consistent about 50% Kerry, 40% Bush breakdown for Cali. Even a big Bush roll early election night will probably not swing Cali.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 5:22:54 AM EST
[LiberalBiasModeOn] This can't be true! No, no, no, this is false data! Ohhhhhhh, the humanity! CBS news as well as CNN assured me this morning that the race is now a statistical dead heat! I mean who cares if they used a Newsweek poll to reach that conclusion? And forget about the fact they didn't count state by state electoral votes! We all know the popular vote is what really counts. I can't believe you shameless neo-cons would dispute the findings of Newsweek! [/LiberalBiasModeOff]

On a side note, the Pew poll showed the race hasn't changed at all since prior to the debate. They still have Bush up by 7 or 8 points. What's up with that? I thought Pew was supposed to be the poll most biased toward Kerry?
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 6:56:30 AM EST
Is Macallan still claming that Bush lost his election lead?
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 7:08:42 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 8:27:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:

Ask Presidents Mondale, Dukakis, Perot, and Gore: How important are the debates?

Ask Richard Nixon of the 1960 Presidential Election on how a Presidential Debate can be.
He came out bad. People who listened to the Debate on the radio say he won it. People who saw the Debate on TV gave Kennedy (the Good Kennedy, by the way), the election.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 8:29:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By GiggleSmith:

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:

Ask Presidents Mondale, Dukakis, Perot, and Gore: How important are the debates?

Ask Richard Nixon of the 1960 Presidential Election on how a Presidential Debate can be.
He came out bad. People who listened to the Debate on the radio say he won it. People who saw the Debate on TV gave Kennedy (the Good Kennedy, by the way), the election.



Your point? That was the very first Presidential debate to be televised. In the last 20 years, Presidential debate winners have not done particularly well.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:04:59 AM EST
Just wanted to put this back on page one for awhile.

Note:... none of it matters if we don't vote. Hell, I'm paranoid enough to believe that the enemy skews the numbers in our favor so we relax and don't vote.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:19:17 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 12:14:06 PM EST
Slate (definitely not pulling for Bush) is showing an electoral map of Bush 348, Kerry 190

slate.msn.com/id/2107683/

Having said that, it only counts if all the people who feel like that actually show up and vote.
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