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Posted: 5/13/2013 12:37:22 PM EDT
1 MOA ALL DAY LONG

Alright guys and girls, to time hit the range again. I'm bringing back this thread with primarily the same rules as last year. BillyDoubleU put a lot of work into putting this contest together and did a great job, so I'm re-using his post. The only changes this year are the unlimited class and the "Wall of Claim: A Call-out List."

This is the Official “How Good Are You” thread of AR15.com

What is it? It’s a challenge to all to prove how good you really are with a rifle! Not sometimes but consistently.

Keep it simple 5 shot groups, 5 groups per target

1 MOA = 100 Yards = 1.047"
––––––––-50 Yards = 0.5235"
––––––––-25 Yards = 0.26175"


Top 25 for each division

Separate list of 1 MOA shooters and a separate list for .5 MOA shooters.

REMEMBER this, all 5 groups of 5 shots must AVERAGE 1 MOA to make the list and claim the title of being a 1 MOA shooter.

Doing one .99" group and four 1.5" groups does not equal a 1 MOA shooter, it means you got lucky once and you are a 1.398 MOA shooter (assuming a 100 yard target)

This is a challenge but don't be afraid to try it out and post, every possible rifle style has been listed with a category and a distance. It's all in good fun and to be honest about your abilities.

With that in mind here are the rules.

1. ONE sheet of paper, 8.5”x11” preferred and it MUST HAVE ALL 5 targets.

Meaning 1 sheet of paper with FIVE targets. NO INDIVIDUAL TARGETS. THEY WILL NOT COUNT.


2. On that 1 sheet of paper with 5 targets you shoot 5 groups of 5 shots each. (In one day)


3. Each group is measured OUTSIDE GREASE RING TO OUTSIDE GREASE RING with calipers (preferred) or tape rule in inches. Then subtract the diameter of one bullet IE if your shooting a .223 and your 5 shot group measures 1.13" you will subtract 0.224" to get a group of 0.906". If you are shooting a .22lr you will subtract 0.223", for a 308 you will subtract 0.308" (Remember- the more precise your measurement the better)

Some common measurements:
.172" - .17 HMR
.223" - .22 Short, Long, Long Rifle
.224" - .223 Remington, .22 WMR, .22 Hornet
.243" - .243 Winchester
.284" - 7mm-08 Remington, 7mm Mag
.308" - .308 Winchester, .30-06, .300 Mag
.311" - 7.62x39 Soviet, .303 British
.338" - .338 Mag


4. NO MECHANICAL REST/SLED, NO VICE OR SIMILAR DEVICE THAT SUPPORTS THE ENITRE RIFLE, NO SHOOTING JACKETS, NO STRAPPING THE GUN INTO ANYTHING, NO LARGE REAR SANDBAG ** OR REST. SHOOTER MUST HAVE POSITIVE CONTROL OF RIFLE.

THE POINT IS TO SEE HOW GOOD YOU SHOOT, NOT HOW WELL YOU CAN MOUNT IT IN A MACHINE.


5. OK TO USE sandbag, rest, ruck, bipod, rock with a hat, sling etc. on forearm of the rifle.

**Will be OK to use a small rear sandbag (ie: sand sock or squeeze bag) or bean bag no bigger then a softball that must require constant hand pressure to maintain hold on target.

IE. Can NOT sandbag gun inplace. Shooter must maintain positive control of rifle.


6. Shooting position is up to you, sitting, standing, prone.


7. Posting: 1st picture of target with 5 groups of 5 shots each, next to them write down group size. 2nd picture with calipers (or tape rule) left in place over BEST group. 3rd picture of rifle and shooting setup (ie. Sandbag, prone and so on). Post all 3 pics and also type in the post your 5 group sizes and what the average is. IE. .99”, 1.5”, 1.5”, 1.5”, 1.5” add them up, equals 6.99” and divide by five. So 6.99/5 = 1.398”

You can use the MOA formula, either way I will check the math and post the MOA on the result list.

Also type up specs of your rifle and ammo IE. Rem 700 with 168gr Federal SMK or Colt AR15 18" with Wolf 55gr FMJ or AK with 125gr Hand Loads PLEASE INCLUDE AMMO USED

*** Please include result at the end of your post in the final format:

User_Name: Rifle Manufacturer and caliber - notable customizations- Scope- Ammo. Groups: 1"/2"/3"/4"/5" = avg. 3" = .287 MOA



8. In each division you can only have your name up once per gun. Meaning that if you shoot the Iron Sight 22lr with your 10/22 and average a 1.65” group and lets say place 4th. If you use that same gun and do worse, even if you would place better then someone else it will not count for your group. Best group counts.

Now if you then shoot Iron Sight 22lr with your M&P 15-22 and shoot better, say 1.25” average groups and place 2nd. Both that score and the 10/22 score will remain. Different guns will be allowed for different group rankings within a division. Best group counts.

This also goes for the 1 MOA list. Meaning only your best MOA will be ranked on the 1 MOA list BUT if you also shoot 1 MOA or less with a different rifle, that will also count and your name will be added to the list for each different rifle you shoot 1 MOA or less with.

9. Remember, this is NOT a Bullseye challenge, it's a Groups challenge.

10. Any and all ammo is fine I don't care if you use Factory loads or your super secret Hand Load that Moses gave you.

Nothing to win, just put up or shut up so no need lie on distance, we are all adults so honor system will be in effect!


Service Division (AR/AK/FAL/M1A1 etc style weapons)
Iron sights at 50 yards

Non-Magnified Optic at 50 yards

SPR Division (AR/AK/FAL/M1A etc WITH magnified optics) **See rule 5
100 yards

Bolt Division with magnified optics (any precision gun) ** See rule 5
100 yards

And for cheapness a 22lr Division

Any 22lr rifle with iron sights at 25 yards

Any 22lr rifle with non-magnified optic at 50 yards

Any 22lr rifle with magnified optic at 50 yards

Any 22lr rifle with magnified optic at 100 yards

Misc Small Bore Division
Any .17HMR/.17HM2/.17Fireball/.22WMR/.22 Hornet etc etc etc with any sighting system (Irons/nonmagnified/magnified) at 100 yards **See Rule 5

Unlimited Division
Catch-all class for anyone wishing to use a lead-sled, large sandbag set-up, or other assisting device prohibited from the other classes. 50yd minimum for non magnified optic rifles and 100 yd minimum for magnified optics of all calibers. Does not qualify you for MOA shooter list, but will be recognized as an MOA rifle owner.

Click to download target
Downloadable target

Target Black Diamonds

Small BFL Target

Small BFL Target

MOA formula

How many MOA equal 2 inches at 200 yards?
(inches / yards) x 100 = MOA
(2 inches / 200 yards) x 100 = 1 MOA


ETA: I know this is in GD but please limit bullshit post. If it has nothing to do with this thread/challenge then please don't muck it up. And DON'T POST old targets, only post your results for this challenge.

Questions are cool, ask away.

Don't bother complaining about the rules, PUT UP OR SHUT UP! I don't care if your feeling get hurt because you can't use your precocious whatever it is. You have plenty of options.

This is to create as level a playing field as possible.

Tags and in's are fine!

This is for those that want to put up an honest effort and show what they can do!

UPDATE:

If you post a placeholder for a future attempt, be sure and notify me, or post an update when actually post your results.

If entries start coming in and you post your results back on an earlier page, I might miss it if you don't point it out.
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 12:37:33 PM EDT
[#1]
<1 MOA SHOOTERS

100 Yards = 1.047"
50 Yards = 0.5235"
25 Yards = 0.26175"

1.  trobertson5-0: Raven Rifles M40A5 .308- Leupold 6.5-20 -Surefire suppressor- Handloads. Groups: .381"/ 132"/ .451"/ .582"/ .435"/ avg .3962 = .378 MOA
2.  Goldeyeslayer: Winchester 70 Heavy Varmint .308 - SWFA SS 10x42 -Handloads. Groups: .525"/.558"/.558"/.470"/.377"/ avg .4976"=.475 MOA  
3. jKahntrol_Solutions: Remington SPS-V , .308win, Bushnell Elite Tactical 10x, Kahntrol Brake, Handloads. (200yds) Groups: 1.757"/1.026"/.626"/1.103"/.754"=5.269"=1.0538"=.503MOA
4. 7: WAR Custom 308 Rifle - Brux 22" Barrel- USOptics ER25 scope - Sierra 168gr SMK. Groups: .309" / .673" / .562" / .845" / .469"/avg .5716" = .546 MOA
5. Old_Painless: Ruger 10-22 - Leupold 4 X 12 - Wolf Match. Groups: .270"/.288"/.247"/.420"/.377"/ avg .3204" = .612 MOA  
6. PIDDLER: Ruger 10-22 - Green Mountain barrel - Timney trigger - Wolf Match Target .22LR. Groups: .268"/.242"/.380"/.349"/.407"/avg .3292" = .629 MOA
7. Old_Painless: Savage 12BVSS .223 - Leupold VX-3 6.5-20 - Handloads. Groups: .56"/ .67"/ .85"/ .65"/ .61"/ avg .667" = .637 MOA
8.  Old_Painless: Accuracy International .308- (scope unknown)- Handloads. Groups: .420"/ .688"/ 1.02"/ .660"/ .650"/ avg .688" = .657 MOA
9.  Stantonizm: Winchester M70 Heavy Varmint- Schneider barrel- <1.5lb trigger- Nightforce 3.5-15X-Handloads. Groups: .516"/.691'/ .575"/ .956"/ .784"/ avg .704" = .673 MOA
10. Kuraki: Sako 25-06 - heavy barrel - Zeiss Conquest 4-14 - Handloads - Groups: 0.865/ 0.680/ 0.620/ 0.432/ 0.93/ Avg. .7054 = .674 MOA
11. Old_Painless: Savage Mark II BSEV .22 R - Leupold 6.5 X 20 - Wolf Match. Groups: .313"/.664"/.324"/.341"/.155"/ Avg .3594 = .687 MOA
12. indianapwns: Remington 40-X .22-250 -15x Unertl Ultra Varmint - Hornady 50gr V-Max. Groups: 0.779"/0.425"/0.658"/0.650"/1.159" = avg. 0.7342" = .7011 MOA
13. nickforney: Rifle GA Precision Hospitaller- Bushnell 4.5-30 - 175 grain SMK and CCI 200 primers. Groups .383"/ .716"/ .780"/1.167"/ .651"/ = avg .739" = .706 MOA
14. jKahntrol_Solutions: Savage- Walking varminter .223" - Bushnell 10x fixed- Kahntrol Solutions brake- Handloads. Groups:. 575"/.721"/.949"/.904"/.706"=3.855=avg.750"=.717 MOA
15.  MDMOORE99: Olympic Arms K8 5.56 - Primary Arms 4-14X44 Mil FFP Scope - Handloads. Groups .562/.876/.736/1.171/.724/avg .8138" = .777 MOA
16.  FALARAK: Remington 700 5R Milspec .308 - Leupold 6.5x20 - 175SMK Handloads. Groups: .498"/1.130"/1.131"/.676"/.711"/avg .8292" = .792 MOA
16. Hawkeye29: Remington 700 ADL .308 - lightened factory trigger, Bushnell 3200 10x scope, Handloads. Groups: 1.049"/.544"/.828"/1.059"/1.054"/ avg .906" = .792 MOA
17. bga71: FN SPR A1 .308 - Vortex PST 6-24x50 - GA Arms 168gr Target Load - Groups .922/.892/.642/.992/.802 = .850 AVG = .811 MOA
18. OhioLongRange: Remington 700 .260 -CBI rem-age barrel - Mcree stock - Vortex Razor scope - 140 gr. A-max Handloads. Groups: ------------------------------------- .822 MOA
19.  Nagewaza624: Savage Model 12 LRP 6.5 Creedmore - Sightron SIII 8x32x56 - Handloads. Groups: 1.328"/ .657"/ .484"/ 1.074"/.830"/ avg .8746" =.835 MOA
20.  Old_Painless : Remington 700 VLS .308- Leupold 6.5 X 20- Handloads. Groups: .81"/.73"/1.15"/.76"/1.04" = Average .089" = 0.858 MOA
21. EVR: ArmaLite M15NM 5.56 - Factory Condition {polished trigger} - Redfield 4-12 scope PA Mount - Groups: 1.016/.852/1.079/.853/.733 = avg. .9066" = .866 MOA
22.  trobertson5-0:Knight's Armament SR15 5.56- Kreiger barrel- Leupold MK 1.5-5 SPR- MK262 76 gr. Groups: .889"/ 1.449"/ 1.04"/ .419"/ .924"/ avg .944 = .901 MOA
23.  FALARAK: Custom built Remington 700 6.5 Creedmoor - Leupold 6.5x20 - Hornady factory 140AMAX.  Groups: 1.18"/ .955"/ .586"/ .654"/ 1.391"/ avg .9532" = .9104 MOA
24.  indianapwns: Anschutz Match 64 - Nikon Prostaff 3-9 - Remington-Eley EPS match ammo. Groups:0.267"/0.614"/0.560"/0.527"/0.418" = avg. 0.4772" = .9116 MOA
25. Skg_Mre_Lght: : DPMS LR24 .308- Vortex PST 4-16x EBR-1 -Geiselle trigger- Handloads. Groups: .556"/ 1.261"/ .938"/ .582"/ .1.542"/ avg .9758= .932 MOA:
26. UtahShotgunner: Custom XP-100 (pistol) 7mmTCU- Burris 5X-Handloads. Groups: 1.271"/ 1.221"/ .945"/ .873"/ .745"/ avg. 1.011= .966 MOA
27 (Tied) MrZeat: RRA Varmint EOP 16" .223 Rem - Geissele SSA-E - Leupold Mark AR 6-18x40mm - Handloads. Groups: .741/.935/1.357/1.042/.984 = avg 1.048 = .966 MOA
28. UtahShotgunner: DPMS Heavy barreled custom AR-15 5.56 - Tasco 8-32X- Handloads. Groups: .781"/ 1.186"/ .955"/ 1.129"/ 1.099"/ avg. 1.03" = .984 MOA
29. Old_Painless: DPMS AR-15 5.56, Leupold 6.5 X 20, Handloads. .97"/ 1.24"/1.31"/1.09"/.56"/avg. 1.034" = .988 MOA


1 MOA RIFLE OWNERS

1. Old_Painless: Remington 700 - Leupold scope- Kahntrol Brake- handloads. Groups: .409/ .545/ .718/ .436/ .807/ Avg .583" = .556 MOA
2. Old_Painless: Accuracy International AE, Leupold scope, handloads, muzzle brake. Groups: .494/ .504/ .509/ .516/ .915/ Average .5876 = .561 MOA
3. Old_Painless: DPMS .223 AR-15 - Leupold scope -Kahntrol Brake, handloads. Groups: 1.179/ 1.282/ .985/ .805/ .708/ Avg .992" = .947 MOA
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Contest Entries

Service Division (AR/AK/FAL/M1A1 etc style weapons) Iron sights at 50 yards

1. nickforney: Noveske Recon 16" 5.56 - Geissele SSA-E trigger - Troy Iron sights - Hornady Superformance 53 grain vmax Groups: .546/ .922/ .535/ .453/ .373/ avg .5658 = 1.0806 MOA
2. Trobertson5-0: Springfield Armory(the real one!!) U.S Rifle Caliber .30 M1 -Purpose built JCG rifle. FGMM 168gr 30/06. Groups: .634"/.692"/.792"/.710"/1.042"/avg .774"= 1.48 MOA
3.Trobertson5-0: Colt Hbar Competition 1/9 - Matech irons - 52gr Berger match HP handload. Groups: 1.114"/.885"/.868"/.827"/.632/ avg .8652 = 1.65 MOA
4. AEnemaBay: Bulgarian AK-74 (home built), stock iron sights, 1989 Bulgarian 7n6 surplus. Groups: 0.786" / 0.786" / 0.786" / 1.098" / 1.161"/ Avg 0.923" = 1.762 MOA
5. Old_Painless: Swiss K-31 - iron sights - Swiss milsurp ammo. Groups .965"/.914"/.847"/1.529"/.869"/Avg 1.0248 = 1.96 MOA
6. Old_Painless: Swedish 6.5 Mauser- iron sights - milsurp. Groups: .885/ 1.572/ 1.556/ .916/ 1.260/ Avg 1.2378 = 2.36 MOA
7. Muad: ADCO SPR - RRA two-stage - GI style iron sights - 77gr SMK Black Hills. Groups: 0.5825"/1.171"/1.922"/1.835"/1.771"/ avg. 1.4563" = 2.78 MOA
8. Old_Painless: 1917 Eddystone - iron sights - handloads. Groups: 1.101/ 1.904/ 1.880/ 2.151/ 2.074/ Avg 1.822 = 3.48 MOA
9. BillyDoubleU : DPMS AP4 .223/5.56 Groups: 2.856"/2.356"/2.226"/1.776"/1.616" =Avg 2.166" = 4.332 MOA
10. FaucetFace: Springfield M1 Garand-HXP greek surplus 30-06. Groups: 2.592”/1.549”/2.885”/3.698”/1.298”/ avg 2.4044” = 4.59 MOA  
11. Kalahnikid: M1 Garand 30-06 - Greek HXP. Groups: 3.092"/2.432"/1.92"/3.112"/2.292"/ avg 2.5696= 4.91 MOA
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Non-Magnified Optic at 50 yards

1. nickforney: Stag upper 5.56 - Eotech - xm193. Groups:  .990/ 1.143/ 1.220/ .922/ 1.002/ avg 1.06" = 2.02 moa
2. FaucetFace: AR SBR-BCM 11.5” upper-AAC M42000-Aimpoint micro-Hornady 75gr BTHP over 25gr Varget. Groups: 1.18”/1.27”/1.434”/1.205”/1.581”/ avg. 1.334” = 2.55 MOA
3. Ratfink57: Vepr .308 16"-muzzle device- Aimpoint M2, 80s British surplus L2A2. Groups: 1.542 / 1.760 / 1.955 / 2.229 / 2.142 Avg. 1.926 = 3.678 MOA
4. nickforney: SGL 31 - Trijicon RMR 8 moa - Hornady 60gr steel case vmax. Groups: 3.037/ 1.845/ 1.841/ 1.800/ 2.072/ avg 2.12" = 4.04 MOA
5. SouthEndXGF: MSAR STG 556 - E4 16" 5.56x45/.223 - no customization - Eotech 512 - Wolf WPA 62gr HP Steel Case . Groups: 2.852/1.526/2.833/3.224/2.940/avg 4.675"= 5.110 MOA
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SPR Division (AR/AK/FAL/M1A etc WITH magnified optics) at 100 yards

1. MDMOORE99: Olympic Arms K8 5.56 - Primary Arms 4-14X44 Mil FFP Scope - Handloads. Groups .562/.876/.736/1.171/.724=avg .8138" = .777 MOA
2. EVR: ArmaLite M15NM 5.56 - Factory Condition {polished trigger} - Redfield 4-12 scope PA Mount - Groups: 1.016/.852/1.079/.853/.733 = avg. .9066" = .866 MOA
3. trobertson5-0:Knight's Armament SR15 5.56- Kreiger barrel- Leupold MK 1.5-5 SPR- MK262 76 gr. Groups: .889"/ 1.449"/ 1.04"/ .419"/ .924"/ avg .944 = .901 MOA
4. Skg_Mre_Lght: : DPMS LR24 .308- Vortex PST 4-16x EBR-1 -Geiselle trigger- Handloads. Groups: .556"/ 1.261"/ .938"/ .582"/ .1.542"/ avg .9758= .932 MOA:
5. MrZeat: RRA Varmint EOP 16" .223 Rem - Aero Lower Geissele SSA-E - Leupold Mark AR MOD 1 6-18x40mm - Handloads. Groups: .741/.935/1.357/1.042/.984 = avg 1.048 = .966 MOA
6. UtahShotgunner: DPMS Heavy barreled custom 5.56 - Tasco 8-32X- Handloads. Groups: .781"/ 1.186"/ .955"/ 1.129"/ 1.099"/ avg. 1.03" = .984 MOA
7. Old_Painless: DPMS AR-15 5.56, Leupold 6.5 X 20, Handloads. .97"/ 1.24"/1.31"/1.09"/.56"= Avg. 1.034" = .988 MOA
8. Eric802: BHW 1/8 barrel, Hornady 75gr BTHP handloads. .675/1.061/.842/1.640/1.612/ avg. 1.166" = 1.11 MOA
9. MrZeat: RRA Varmint EOP 16" .223 Rem-  Geissele SSA-E - Leupold Mark AR MOD 1 6-18x40mm - 53gr Sierra HP Match . Groups: 1.352/1.410/1.316/1.453/1.001 = avg 1.306 = 1.247 MOA
10. MSC182: BCM/PSA 5.56 16" middy build-HTG ARIS suppressor-Leupold VX-R Patrol scope-Hornady Steel Match 55 gr. HP. Groups: 1.143/2.349/1.330/1.550/.659 = Avg 1.406 = 1.34 MOA
11. EVR: ArmaLite AR10A4 Factory Condition/Non-freefloat barrel .308 - Redfield 3-9 - Handload. 1.428/1.851/2.038/1.568/2.032 = avg. 1.7834" = 1.7033 MOA



Bolt Division with magnified optics (any precision gun) at 100 yards

1. trobertson5-0: Raven Rifles M40A5 .308- Leupold 6.5-20 -Surefire suppressor- Handloads. Groups: .381"/ 132"/ .451"/ .582"/ .435"/ avg .3962" = .378 MOA
2. Goldeyeslayer: Winchester 70 Heavy Varmint .308 - SWFA SS 10x42 -Handloads. Groups: .525"/.558"/.558"/.470"/.377"/ avg .4976"=.475 MOA  
3. Kahntrol Solutions: Remington SPS-V , .308win, Bushnell Elite Tactical 10x, Kahntrol Brake, Handloads. (200yds) Groups: 1.757"/1.026"/.626"/1.103"/.754"=5.269"=1.0538"=.503MOA
4. 7: WAR Custom 308 Rifle - Brux 22" Barrel- USOptics ER25 scope - Sierra 168gr SMK. Groups: .309" / .673" / .562" / .845" / .469"/avg .5716" = .546 MOA
5. Old_Painless: Savage 12BVSS .223 - Leupold VX-3 6.5-20 - Handloads. Groups: .56"/ .67"/ .85"/ .65"/ .61" = avg .667" = .637 MOA
6. Old_Painless: Accuracy International .308- (scope unknown)- Handloads. Groups: .420"/ .688"/ 1.02"/ .660"/ .650"/ avg .688" = .657 MOA
7. Stantonizm: Winchester M70 Heavy Varmint- Schneider barrel- <1.5lb trigger- Nightforce 3.5-15X-Handloads. Groups: .516"/.691'/ .575"/ .956"/ .784"/ avg .704" = .673 MOA
8. Kuraki: Sako 25-06 - heavy barrel, glass bedded - Zeiss Conquest 4-14 - Handload 100 grain Sierra 44 grain Varget - Groups: 0.865/ 0.680/ 0.620/ 0.432/ 0.93/ Avg. .7054 = .674 MOA
9. indianapwns: Remington 40-X .22-250 -15x Unertl Ultra Varmint - Hornady 50gr V-Max. Groups: 0.779"/0.425"/0.658"/0.650"/1.159" = avg. 0.7342" = .7011 MOA
10. nickforney: Rifle GA Precision Hospitaller- Bushnell 4.5-30 - 175 grain SMK and CCI 200 primers. Groups .383"/ .716"/ .780"/1.167"/ .651"/ = avg .739" = .706 MOA
11. jKahntrol_Solutions: Savage- Walking varminter .223" - Bushnell elite tactical 10x fixed - Bipod- Kahntrol Solutions brake- Handloads. Groups: 575"/.721"/.949"/.904"/.706"=3.855=avg.750"=.717 MOA
12. FALARAK: Remington 700 5R Milspec .308 - Leupold 6.5x20 - 175SMK Handloads. Groups: .498"/1.130"/1.131"/.676"/.711" = avg .8292" = .792 MOA
13. Hawkeye29: Remington 700 ADL .308 - lightened factory trigger, Bushnell 3200 10x scope, Handloads. Groups: 1.049"/.544"/.828"/1.059"/1.054"/ avg .906" = .792 MOA
14. bga71: FN SPR A1 .308 - Vortex PST 6-24x50 - GA Arms 168gr Target Load - Groups .922/.892/.642/.992/.802 = .850 AVG = .811 MOA
15. OhioLongRange: Remington 700 .260 -CBI rem-age barrel - Mcree stock - Vortex Razor scope - 140 gr. A-max Handloads. Groups: --------------------------------- .822 MOA
16. Nagewaza624: Savage Model 12 LRP 6.5 Creedmore - Sightron SIII 8x32x56 - Handloads. Groups: 1.328"/ .657"/ .484"/ 1.074"/.830"/ avg .8746" =.835 MOA
17. Old_Painless : Remington 700 VLS .308- Leupold 6.5 X 20- Handloads. Groups: .81"/.73"/1.15"/.76"/1.04"/avg .089" = .858 MOA
18. FALARAK: Custom built Remington 700 6.5 Creedmoor - Leupold 6.5x20 - Hornady factory 140AMAX.  Groups: 1.18"/ .955"/ .586"/ .654"/ 1.391" = avg .9532" = .9104 MOA
19. UtahShotgunner: Custom XP-100 (pistol) 7mmTCU- Burris 5X-Handloads. Groups: 1.271"/ 1.221"/ .945"/ .873"/ .745"/ avg. 1.011= .966 MOA
20. Hawkeye29: Remington 700 .308 - Bushnell 3200 -168gr Amax's on 44.5 grains of Varget in Lake City brass . Groups: 1.325"/1.078"/1.089"/1.1162"/0.814" = avg. 1.0936" = 1.044 MOA
21. SecretSquirell: Remington 700 AAC-SD-.308-KRG Whiskey 3 Gen 2 chassis-Vortex PST 4-16-FGMM 175gr. Groups 1.429/.552/1.199/1.635/1.158/ avg 1.194" =1.14 MOA
22. Scattterbrains: Mossberg MVP .204 -Vortex 2.5-10x44 - Handloads. Groups: 1.218"/.780"/1.942"/1.431"/.796"/avg. 1.2334" = 1.178 MOA
23. Muad: Remington 700 SPS Tactial AAC-SD - Bushnell 6-24x50mm - 175gr SMK loads - 100 yards. Groups: 1.185"/1.583"/1.543"/1.203"/0.69"/avg. 1.2408" = 1.185 MOA
24. Hvylvy:Savage Axis .223 -Hawke Sport HD - Sierra .69 grain BTHP Handloads. Groups: .458/ .843/ 1.074/ 1.499/ 2.304/ avg. 1.235 = 1.123MOA
25.indianapwns: Savage Model 10FCP-K .308 - Vortex Viper 6.5-20x50 - Hornady Match 168gr BTHP Groups: 1.406"/1.023"/1.133"/2.078"/1.056" = avg. 1.3392" = 1.279 MOA
26. FaucetFace: Savage 10fp-Falcon Menace 4-12x44-Hornady 168gr A-max. Groups: 1.511”/1.035”/1.917”/2.455”/1.446”/ avg 1.6728” = 1.60 MOA
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And for cheapness a 22lr Division

Any 22lr rifle with iron sights at 25 yards

1. Green_Canoe: CZ 452 Lux (left handed) - stock iron sights -Ammo: Eley Tenex. Groups: 0.308 / 0.222 / 0.441 / 0.430 / 0.692 = 0.4186 Ave. = 1.60 MOA
2. EJThor: Mossberg 42 Mb(a) WWII trainer .22lr - Stock iron sights - CCI Standard Velocity 40gr LRN. Groups: 0.412" / 0.467" / 0.338" / 0.423" / 0.518" = avg 0.433" = 1.654 MOA
3. Muad: Muad-built Spike's ST-22 AR in M4 config- GI iron sights - CCI AR Tactical 40gr .22LR. Groups: .267"/.0296"/.417"/.699"/.795" = avg. 0.4948" = 1.89 MOA
4. Old_Painless: Remington Speedmaster .22 LR at 25 yards, iron sights and prayer, Wolf Match. Groups .673"/.441"/.579"/.437"/.659'/ Avg .558" = 2.13 MOA
5. Muad: Muad-built Spike's ST-22 AR in M4 config- SSA trigger- GI iron sights - CCI AR Tactical 40gr .22LR. Groups: .386"/1.071"/.968"/.658"/.877" = avg. 0.792" = 3.03 MOA
6. Green Canoe: Savage 4C (Circa 1936) iron sights @ 25 yards Ammo: Remington Target Rifle Groups: 1.138 / .459 / .950 / .731 / .847 Avg= 0.825" = 3.15 MOA
7. nickforney: Henry 22 - CCI subsonic - irons. Groups: .778/ 1.120/ .810/ .832/ .677/ avg .843= 3.22MOA
8. nickforney: Ruger 10/22- CCI subsonic -irons. Groups: .917/ 1.255/ .405/ .958/ .941/ avg .8952 = 3.419 MOA
9. wmterry89: Remington 513T .22 - Redfield sights- CCI 22 short. Groups: 1.367 / .974 / 1.874 / .862 / 1.727/ Avg. 1.361= 5.20 MOA
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Any 22lr rifle with non-magnified optic at 50 yards

1. ShiftSix: Winchester Model 52B .22LR- iron sights- Federal Gold Match. Groups: .952" /.371" / .319" /.455" /.404" = avg .5002"  = .96 MOA
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Any 22lr rifle with magnified optic at 50 yards

1. Old_Painless: Ruger 10-22 - Leupold 4 X 12 - Wolf Match. Groups: .270"/.288"/.247"/.420"/.377"/ avg .3204" = .612 MOA
2. PIDDLER: Ruger 10-22 - Green Mountain barrel - Timney trigger - Wolf Match Target .22LR. Groups: .268"/.242"/.380"/.349"/.407"/avg .3292" = .629 MOA
3. Old_Painless: Savage Mark II BSEV .22 R - Leupold 6.5 X 20 - Wolf Match. Groups: .313"/.664"/.324"/.341"/.155"/ avg .3594" = .687 MOA
4.indianapwns: Anschutz Match 64 - Nikon Prostaff 3-9x40  - Remington-Eley EPS. Groups: 0.267"/0.614"/0.560"/0.527"/0.418" = avg. 0.4772" = .9116 MOA
5. UtahShotgunner: Haenal .22rf - Redfield 20X- Federal Gold Medal Ultra Match. Groups: .473"/ .640"/ .593"/ .615"/ .531"/ avg. .577" = 1.10 MOA
6. Torf: Ruger 10/22 - unknown scope - CCI Blazer. Groups: 1.326"/ .553"/ .738"/ .515"/ avg.734" = 1.402 MOA
7. OhioLongRange: Savage mk2 FVSR, wolf match target, 4x14x scope. ------------------------------ 1.46 MOA
8.  trobertson5-0: CZ455 American 22lr - Leupold 2-7X- Wolf Match Extra. Groups: .795"/ 1.843"/ .647"/ .946"/ .533"/ avg. .9528" = 1.820 MOA
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1. FaucetFace: Savage 93r17-AAC element-Vortex crossfire 4-12x50-Hornady 17gr v-max. Groups: 1.899”/1.878”/1.39”/2.594”/2.501” = avg 2.0524” = 1.96 MOA
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Unlimited Class (Any rifle shot using a benchrest, lead sled, large rear sand bag, or any other gear that would otherwise disqualify you)

1. Old_Painless: Remington 700 - Leupold scope- Kahntrol Brake- handloads. Groups: .409/ .545/ .718/ .436/ .807/ Avg .583" = .556 MOA
2. Old_Painless: Accuracy International AE, Leupold scope, handloads, muzzle brake. Groups: .494/ .504/ .509/ .516/ .915/ Average .5876 = .561 MOA
3. Old_Painless: DPMS .223 AR-15 - Leupold scope -Kahntrol Brake, handloads. Groups: 1.179/ 1.282/ .985/ .805/ .708/ Avg .992" = .947 MOA
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Link Posted: 5/13/2013 12:37:45 PM EDT
[#2]
WALL OF CLAIM

This post will serve as the place to call out anyone who publicly posts unsubstantiated claims of beyond MOA accuracy on AR15.com. If you attack someone's accuracy in a thread, say something along the lines of "I could do better than that with...." or "That group sucks", when it is a .5MOA group; or swear that you have a <.5 MOA off-the-shelf hunting rifle, this is where you prove it. If you post pictures in the original thread along with your claim, you won't be added.

If someone sees an accuracy claim made that qualifies a poster for this list, send me the user name, link to the thread, and the post number where the claim was made. If the post meets the requirements, the candidate and their claim will be added to the list.

If you happen to find yourself on this list, you can easily be removed by participating in the challenge, whether you prove your original claim or not.  

If there are extenuating circumstances (ie: you can't find ammo, you sold the rifle in question, etc.), your excuse will be posted along with the claim.


You've Been Called Out. - Site Staff Approved

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Dragynn "Both my veeps'll do that now most of the time, not really earth-shaking." (referring to 1 MOA) original thread

Katrina24: "if thats with a scope get your money back....... you shoud get 1 MOA at 100 yards with A2 open sights.. with a scope I can put rounds in the same holes @100 M and 1MOA at 300 M." original thread

Layer60:  "Don't care what anyone says, there are some $600 rifles off the shelf that will shoot a dime-sized group at 100 yards, right out of the box. With Hornady Match A-Max rounds or similar (I'm not sure what's similar), you can punch the same hole repeatedly if you're even a half-assed shooter." original thread

thewildman: "it is a .308 at 100 yards, you should be able to shoot a better group than that blindfolded and offhand. and yes, at that distance with a semi decent shooter behind it, it should make one jagged hole." (referring to ~.5" 3-shot group) original thread

CoolioDot223: "My A Bolt .270 with a 4x Sporter scope does 3 shot ragged hole at 100."original thread

zwVirtual: I can shoot an AR-15 with iron sights and get almost as good of a grouping. (referring to .5” 3-shot group) original thread

JAD762: "My off the shelf Browning does 1/3 in groups at 100. After spending a year tuning ammo to it."original thread

88_Sahara: "My SPS tactical shot better groups than that with milsurp. (referring to .5” 3-shot group)"original thread

BubbaDog81: "I can do that with my stock 700 at 100 yards. (referring to .5” 3-shot group)"original thread

dillehayd: "Last bolt gun I had was a 700 in .270 w/ a 4-10x Leupold from a sporting goods store. It shot groups like that all day long. (referring to .5” 3-shot group)"original thread

Scottfn308: "Most any off the rack hunting rifle will do 1 MOA nowdays." original thread

Buck19Delta: "it looks like it shoots well.... try some different ammo.....you should be able to get better than a 1/2 inch at 100 yards. i can do that with my stock LTR, and model 7, XCR, with no trouble. happy shooting!"original thread

DigDug "That three shot group at 100 yards off a bench should be an enlarged ragged hole, not three separate holes. (referring to .5” 3-shot group)" original thread

<Redacted>: "3" groups at 100 yards is not tight.  You should be able to almost put your shots right on if not right next to each other at that range" (regarding 16" ARAK-21 piston carbine) original thread <Poster is in the military and currently stationed outside of the country. He expressed interest in the challenge but is unable to compete at this time. >

<CLAIM PROVEN>lte82: "My dpms 260 is a 1/2 - 3/4 moa shooter. So was my AR-10T. Just needs to be fed well developed hand loads." original thread

Falsecrack: "My OBR can shoot 1/2 MOA groups." original thread

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Link Posted: 5/13/2013 12:43:22 PM EDT
[#3]
OST/Placeholder
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 12:46:03 PM EDT
[#4]
my spot, range day this weekend
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 12:47:01 PM EDT
[#5]
Awesome cant wait to show my shotgun patterns
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 12:50:27 PM EDT
[#6]
Sweet, I hope I can get my rifle built by then. Should be accurate as hell.








brb, gonna go polish my trigger bits.
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 12:52:55 PM EDT
[#7]
If I can get time, my Sako TRG-22, Nightforce 5.5-22 and AAC Cyclone are going to be in on this.
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 12:54:07 PM EDT
[#8]
In for pages of bragging, butthurt, bravado, and bans.



What's not to love?






Link Posted: 5/13/2013 12:56:58 PM EDT
[#9]
(Kramer)



I'm out...




Link Posted: 5/13/2013 12:58:38 PM EDT
[#10]
lol i fail, I'm not even going to embarrass myself by trying.
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 1:00:23 PM EDT
[#11]
This will be good!!
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 1:03:24 PM EDT
[#12]
I didnt see a date/deadline.  Did I read it too fast?
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 1:06:26 PM EDT
[#13]
In on 1 placeholder. MRAD shipping today!
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 1:06:56 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
I didnt see a date/deadline.  Did I read it too fast?


Open ended for now. When you post your results, you get added to the list.
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 1:08:22 PM EDT
[#15]
Interested. I may try and play.

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 1:08:58 PM EDT
[#16]
in for a small bore and a bolt gun spot....... my M4 is minute of man only
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 1:11:21 PM EDT
[#17]
Im in when I finally go back to the range.
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 1:30:45 PM EDT
[#18]
Very nice!

I'll keep an eye on this and if I ever get back out I will give it a go!

This is an unforgiving challenge and that is why so few participated last time around. The internet is full of snipers until it's time to prove it.

Actually this idea came from a guy that came over from SnipersHide trying to get guys to compete in their MOA challenge. So I figured ARF should just have our own. Little history as to where this came from.

Props to Stantonizm for putting the time into doing it this time around. It can be time consuming
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 1:52:56 PM EDT
[#19]
In on 1.
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 1:54:13 PM EDT
[#20]
Tag.
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 2:03:43 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:



I'm in. Is this for factory ammo or can we use reloads?



R.I.F.F.
10. Any and all ammo is fine I don't care if you use Factory loads or your super secret Hand Load that Moses gave you.



HEY TRUTH . . . . LOOK UP ! !





 
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 2:10:48 PM EDT
[#22]
I'm in. Is this for factory ammo or can we use reloads?
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 2:37:31 PM EDT
[#23]
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 2:42:10 PM EDT
[#24]



Quoted:


Very nice!



I'll keep an eye on this and if I ever get back out I will give it a go!



This is an unforgiving challenge and that is why so few participated last time around. The internet is full of snipers until it's time to prove it.



Actually this idea came from a guy that came over from SnipersHide trying to get guys to compete in their MOA challenge. So I figured ARF should just have our own. Little history as to where this came from.



Props to Stantonizm for putting the time into doing it this time around. It can be time consuming
I recall your thread on this very topic from a few months ago.





 
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 2:42:18 PM EDT
[#25]
Id be in if I had/could find any ammo...
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 2:45:52 PM EDT
[#26]
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 2:47:44 PM EDT
[#27]



Quoted:


I'm in. Is this for factory ammo or can we use reloads?


Avatar fits

 
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 2:50:01 PM EDT
[#28]
In!
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 2:52:17 PM EDT
[#29]
Quoted:

Quoted:
I'm in. Is this for factory ammo or can we use reloads?

Avatar fits  


If you're going to post up a useless wiseass remark you could atleast answer Thr question.
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 2:53:12 PM EDT
[#30]
Hold this spot... right... here!
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 2:57:50 PM EDT
[#31]
Quoted:
Post images of the targets.  The descriptions in the links are not promising.



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If I posted them as images, they wouldn't print the right size.

The links are to printable PDFs.
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 3:02:41 PM EDT
[#32]
This looks fun!
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 3:04:19 PM EDT
[#33]
Excellent!

Shame I don't own an MOA capable semi-auto.

May dust off the bolt gun for this if I get some time home though!
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 3:05:57 PM EDT
[#34]
Tag. Hope to get out with the .308 rigs later this Summer.
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 3:07:16 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted:
Excellent!

Shame I don't own an MOA capable semi-auto.

May dust off the bolt gun for this if I get some time home though!


That's all I have to use, my .308 bolt gun.
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 3:08:30 PM EDT
[#36]
Imma go head and lay claim to the worst group evar.
Remember it's not bragging if you can do it.
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 3:13:01 PM EDT
[#37]
planning this weekend's range day...
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 3:13:07 PM EDT
[#38]
Quoted:
Id be in if I had/could find any ammo...


Yeah, when I did the original I had 22lr for cheapness... oh how times have changed
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 3:15:14 PM EDT
[#39]
Quoted:
Excellent!

Shame I don't own an MOA capable semi-auto.

May dust off the bolt gun for this if I get some time home though!


If you shoot, your score gets posted regardless, just not on the honorary MOA list.

Honestly, I think its good when there are results from more standard AR set-ups because it helps show the realistic accuracy potential from them.

I posted a 1.6 MOA average last year with my SPR.
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 3:15:34 PM EDT
[#40]
I'll play! ...if I can find some dang time to get to the range...  I think I might be able to make the MOA club.
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 3:29:13 PM EDT
[#41]
I'm in for rimfire class non-magnified optics 25 and 50 yards

cheapness? lol okay.




Link Posted: 5/13/2013 3:34:02 PM EDT
[#42]
IN!

Will update this week/weekend
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 3:35:28 PM EDT
[#43]
I'm in !



1st try @ 100 Yards



MDMOORE99: Olympic Arms K8 5.56 - Primary Arms 4-14X44 Mil FFP Scope - Handloads. Groups .711/1.205/1.004/.793/1.386=avg 1.0198 = MOA=.9740

2nd try @ 100 Yards



MDMOORE99: Olympic Arms K8 5.56 - Primary Arms 4-14X44 Mil FFP Scope - Handloads. Groups .562/.876/.736/1.171/.724=avg .8138 = MOA=.777
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 3:37:17 PM EDT
[#44]
I'm just finishing an SPR-ish build, I may give this a shot.
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 3:38:32 PM EDT
[#45]
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 3:43:46 PM EDT
[#46]
Quoted:
I will definitely play.

I ain't askert.



I got 10 bucks on this guy.  
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 3:50:10 PM EDT
[#47]
In, if I can make time.
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 3:51:11 PM EDT
[#48]
Im using steroids will my name get a *?
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 3:54:23 PM EDT
[#49]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Post images of the targets.  The descriptions in the links are not promising.



?

If I posted them as images, they wouldn't print the right size.

The links are to printable PDFs.


Show an image so we can see how they look.  I can't download anything right now, and I'm not certain I want to later when I can.

Do you intend those to be your "official" targets?



Yep. I won't be too picky though, as long as all groups are on one target.



There's a similar target with small BFL's. I prefer the BFL's over the diamonds, I just can't get the image from the pdf.
Link Posted: 5/13/2013 3:54:53 PM EDT
[#50]
Oh I'm in on this one.


I've got some hand loads just begging to go down range.



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