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Posted: 9/19/2009 9:47:47 PM EST
TERRORISM: Can it really succeed?

Is it possible for terrorists to "win" a war?
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 10:03:44 PM EST
They can only win if we give up.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 10:04:03 PM EST
They already have.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 10:30:23 PM EST
Depends on methods and goals. "Winning" isn't black and white when discussing insurgency
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 10:36:49 PM EST
terrorism has won numerous times in the past. Every insurgency/terror campaign that has won has had outside state support. To really defeat a terror/insurgent group you need to remove the leadership AND strike with as much force as can be mustered at the state supporters.
Striking at the state supporters doesn't have to be blatant and with your own forces, but you need to make it more expensive to support our enemies than they are willing to pay.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 10:40:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 10:40:27 PM EST by PROFESSORCHAOS]
They don't have to win, they just have to wait on us to quit.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 10:49:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By PROFESSORCHAOS:
They don't have to win, they just have to wait on us to quit.
Or in the case of anti-freedom terrorists like al-qaeda, they just need us to turn ourselves into an inward facing police state.

Link Posted: 9/19/2009 10:50:19 PM EST
No it isn't possible for terrist to win a "war" as they have no grounds for success other than kill the infidel. They are fighing for a idea not a state or government.

Religious fighting has been taking place from that part of the world as soon as there was a religion.

The only way to win here is to eradicate the problem. They have no means to eradicate the western world. Sure they could do a EMP or something but that isn't going to "win" per say. Yea we might
start killing each other but at that point does it matter if Mr. Towelhead is out there and he hates you? If we view them as a real threat we should eradicate that threat by any means.

Start dropping tactical nukes on all known positions that will piss a lot of people off but at the same time eventually there won't be any problem left. Yea that will start a shit storm in the political area
but fuck anyone who doesn't like us defending ourselfs. Then if we could only pull out of the UN we could get shit done....

I'm just saying...

Link Posted: 9/19/2009 10:51:32 PM EST
Terrorism isn't about winning wars, per se....it is about demoralizing the people so much they just get sick of fighting and want it to end...
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 10:51:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By JoshAston:
They already have.

What the fuck are you, high?

Link Posted: 9/19/2009 11:38:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By thefreshman991:
No it isn't possible for terrist to win a "war" as they have no grounds for success other than kill the infidel. They are fighing for a idea not a state or government.

Religious fighting has been taking place from that part of the world as soon as there was a religion.

The only way to win here is to eradicate the problem. They have no means to eradicate the western world. Sure they could do a EMP or something but that isn't going to "win" per say. Yea we might
start killing each other but at that point does it matter if Mr. Towelhead is out there and he hates you? If we view them as a real threat we should eradicate that threat by any means.

Start dropping tactical nukes on all known positions that will piss a lot of people off but at the same time eventually there won't be any problem left. Yea that will start a shit storm in the political area
but fuck anyone who doesn't like us defending ourselfs. Then if we could only pull out of the UN we could get shit done....

I'm just saying...





There it is.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 11:44:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By Attman:



There it is.
Yup, it's fun watching posters self immolate.

Link Posted: 9/20/2009 12:52:59 AM EST
Terrorism is a tactic; we are fighting (militant) Islam
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 1:05:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By R0N:
Terrorism is a tactic; we are fighting (militant) Islam




....and this fight has been going on for THOUSANDS of years. So have we "won" yet?





Link Posted: 9/20/2009 1:11:04 AM EST
Depends on your definitions of "terrorism" and "winning."

If by terrorism you mean The Taliban's tactics, and if by winning you mean getting the invaders to leave, ask the Russians if it works.

But flying planes into buildings or blowing up hotels may get people to chang their way of life slightly, but it won't get them to abandon it.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 1:52:27 AM EST
Politics and Political Correctness are more of a threat than terrorism. If the former didn't exist the later would already be gone.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 2:19:01 AM EST
ask Great Britian, France, SPAIN and DEARBORN MICH how its working for them...

they will win, thru terror and POLITICAL CORRECTNESS


Patience is taught in spreading this: COC wont allow my opinion

Link Posted: 9/20/2009 3:22:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2009 3:26:28 AM EST by GunLvrPHD]
The president's name is "Barak Hussein Obama". What does that tell you? They did win. Sept. 11 gave them huge victories in November 2006 and November 2008. Our current economic problems are a direct result of the Sept. 11 attacks.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 3:26:54 AM EST
only when the people being terrorized are stupid pesants.

which sadly many Americans are happy to become.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 3:41:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By DuraToTheMax:

Originally Posted By JoshAston:
They already have.

What the fuck are you, high?



The goal of terrorism is to intimidate the opponent and create fear. One can make the argument that based on our response to the acts of September 11, they have acheived that objective. We changed our way of living, perhaps not at an individual level, but certainly at the national level in direct response to Sept 11; color codes, enhanced security screening, TWIC program, DHS, USA PATRIOT Act, etc.

So, in the strictest sense, JoshAston is right.

Now, will they win by getting us to submit to an Islamic caliphate? No, I don't think so. But I don't know if even they truly believe that will happen.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 4:07:33 AM EST
Obama announced the war on terror was over remember?


The terrorists won.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 4:12:38 AM EST
SPAIN
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:54:17 AM EST
Originally Posted By avenj:
Depends on methods and goals. "Winning" isn't black and white when discussing insurgency


Exactly, look at our own failed Iraq War just like Korea and Vietnam. The war was supposed to be ONLY about WMDs....but as soon as we found out their were no WMDs and lost the war due to looking like asses in the International community our leaders 'tried' to make the war about something else which it wasn't/isn't. Friends in other countries are telling us that residents of other countries have inside joke sayings like, "If you need a war lost call USA."

Link Posted: 9/20/2009 8:10:21 AM EST
Win at what?

I'm confused about their goals.

We win if they just go away, as in, stop bombing. Maybe that's their goal too, only to the extreme. They want us to go away, as in, cease to exist.

Link Posted: 9/20/2009 8:12:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD:
The president's name is "Barak Hussein Obama". What does that tell you? They did win. Sept. 11 gave them huge victories in November 2006 and November 2008. Our current economic problems are a direct result of the Sept. 11 attacks.


What is so crazy is that you probably actually believe that.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 8:13:15 AM EST
Originally Posted By ABNAK:
SPAIN


This, seen any spanish troops in Iraq lately? NO? Thats because somebody blew up a train and said if you dont leave we will keep doing it. They PUSSED out and left. They may not be winning the war outright but they seem to be winning the battles not fought against soldiers. Dont forget that vietnam wasnt lost on the field of battle but in the hearts and minds of the politicans running the show.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 8:16:13 AM EST
Domestic terrorism has worked it's way in for the last 40 years, and it's destroying America from the inside out.

I'd say it's doing a damn fine job.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 8:33:17 AM EST
Anarchy, terrorism, riots, civil wars are all ways to implement the form of government favored by the party doing the evil deeds. Most often this is a totalitarian government.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 8:35:10 AM EST
Originally Posted By PROFESSORCHAOS:
They don't have to win, they just have to wait on us to quit.


Yeppers.

HH
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 8:36:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2009 8:39:54 AM EST by ArmyInfantryVet]
They win by NOT losing. Meaning, we give up going after them.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 8:37:39 AM EST
By winning I presume you mean they get their own way?

I don't think they have a chance - Terrorists are hated the world over. The more you attack people the more pissed they become until they eventually snap and come after you

The word terrorism or terrorist seems to have attracted an evil mystique in the western world. When all is said and done terroism is merely a way of getting some media, public and political attention for your cause and generate fear in a world that is led by media.

The only way they get anywhere is to come to the negotiating table. All conflict has to end at the negotiating table. Terrorism is merely a way of getting your point of view some media, public and political attention. If they refuse to negotiate (for example if they are persuing the impossible ideal like many islamic extremists, or criminal gangs using terrorism to get what they want) then it will invariably end in their anihilation.

Terrorsts are a minority, and regardless of where you come from, an agressive minority without anything to give them the upper hand will always be outnumbered and will lose.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 9:05:57 AM EST
Terrorists "win" when they achieve the goal of their terrorism whatever it might be.
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