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Posted: 10/29/2004 9:04:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2004 9:06:24 AM EST by CS223]
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:06:05 AM EST
Nice!
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:08:36 AM EST
cautiously very optimistic. Wouldn't want to pull a CBS at this point.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:09:24 AM EST
God I hope so, this would be the nail in his coffin if it can be proven to be true.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:09:38 AM EST
Let's get this going!!
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:09:47 AM EST
Time will tell ( I hope they have enough of it )
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:09:53 AM EST
Will it matter?
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:10:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Will it matter?



Absolutely.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:10:41 AM EST
I want to be excited, but "Where's the beef?"
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:11:01 AM EST
SWEET!!!!!!


Let it be true so that slimy f*cker goes down for the count!!!!!!
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:11:38 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:12:28 AM EST
Man, I would love to see this be true, but it's a little a spare on specifics to get too excited about.

I'm not sure if an OTH is bad enough to cause much of a stir. IIRC the Other Than Honorable is the most negative subcategory of the general discharge category. The media would just spin it as just another general discharge, if every body gets one of those.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:14:46 AM EST
Which former Sec of the Navy? TR?

Why won't they name him?
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:15:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By kindstranger:
cautiously very optimistic. Wouldn't want to pull a CBS at this point.



Yep, have to trust them to thoroughly check and confirm. Not expecting anything but damn what a bitchslap if it's turns out to be true.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:15:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2004 9:16:48 AM EST by mac130]

Originally Posted By Rabid_Coyote:
Man, I would love to see this be true, but it's a little a spare on specifics to get too excited about.

I'm not sure if an OTH is bad enough to cause much of a stir. IIRC the Other Than Honorable is the most negative subcategory of the general discharge category. The media would just spin it as just another general discharge, if every body gets one of those.



No, a General(Less Than Honorable) Discharge is negative, no matter what category
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:17:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
wouldn't a dishonerable discharge affect his political future?

mike



He is accused of having an 'Other Than Honorable Discharge'. There are also 'Bad Conduct Discharges' and 'Dishonorable Discharges'.

The 'Other Than Honorable' is pretty bad, but it wouldn't necessarily imply a court martial.

The Bad Conduct and Dishonorable (IIRC) can only be awarded at a court martial and would constitute a felony conviction which would disqualify Kerry.

BTW, the 'Dishonorable' can only be awarded at the highest of the three levels of court martial. Civilians commonly use it to descibe all bad discharges, but it is very rare. Soldiers convicted of some type of crime usually get a Bad Conduct, or BCD(AKA, "The Big Chicken Dinner")
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:18:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By Dukota:

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Will it matter?



Absolutely.



It matters to people like me, but I've never even entertained the notion of voting for Kerry.

My daddy will still vote for the CSMF. I literally can't imagine what would have to be revealed to get daddy to not vote, much less, to vote for Bush. Hardcore Democrats have bizarre motivations.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:18:25 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:20:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By mac130:

Originally Posted By Rabid_Coyote:
Man, I would love to see this be true, but it's a little a spare on specifics to get too excited about.

I'm not sure if an OTH is bad enough to cause much of a stir. IIRC the Other Than Honorable is the most negative subcategory of the general discharge category. The media would just spin it as just another general discharge, if every body gets one of those.



No, a General(Less Than Honorable) Discharge is negative, no matter what category



There are many categories og General, some are not negative, the media will try to lump it in with those to downplay this, if it turns out to be true.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:23:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By Rabid_Coyote:

Originally Posted By mac130:

Originally Posted By Rabid_Coyote:
Man, I would love to see this be true, but it's a little a spare on specifics to get too excited about.

I'm not sure if an OTH is bad enough to cause much of a stir. IIRC the Other Than Honorable is the most negative subcategory of the general discharge category. The media would just spin it as just another general discharge, if every body gets one of those.



No, a General(Less Than Honorable) Discharge is negative, no matter what category



There are many categories og General, some are not negative, the media will try to lump it in with those to downplay this, if it turns out to be true.



They may not be negative in your opinion. To me, there's only one discharge......HONORABLE.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:25:35 AM EST
If this were true, would he even be eligible to run for president?
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:25:48 AM EST
Does it matter? Isn't it perfectly legal to sue for a change in discharge status after x years out of the service? Or did I misunderstand the process?

[sKerry]This is simply a legal proceeding that changed an error from 30 years ago. You see I was a decorated war veteran and there is no possible way that I could have gotten anything OTHER than an honorable discharge, I was just making sure that the official record matched what SHOULD have happened. Thank you for supporting me, even though I am a spineless cock sucking douche.[/sKerry]
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:26:08 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:28:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By mac130:

Originally Posted By Rabid_Coyote:

Originally Posted By mac130:

Originally Posted By Rabid_Coyote:
Man, I would love to see this be true, but it's a little a spare on specifics to get too excited about.

I'm not sure if an OTH is bad enough to cause much of a stir. IIRC the Other Than Honorable is the most negative subcategory of the general discharge category. The media would just spin it as just another general discharge, if every body gets one of those.



No, a General(Less Than Honorable) Discharge is negative, no matter what category



There are many categories og General, some are not negative, the media will try to lump it in with those to downplay this, if it turns out to be true.



They may not be negative in your opinion. To me, there's only one discharge......HONORABLE.




People booted out under certain circumstances beyond their control can recieve 'General" discharges, for example recruits injured in training. The real truth teller is to check the RE code on their DD-214. That tells more of the story.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:29:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
I've scanned all the posts and while I loathe Kerry, I see nothing but an unsubstantiated statement.



5sub



+1
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:30:03 AM EST
Oh pleeeeeze, pretty PLEEEEEEZE!
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:30:05 AM EST
Dirtbag tag.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:33:13 AM EST
The media will play this as a nothing because "lots of people got these at that time" because they were just protesting the war.

Lets face it. It's common knowledge kerry dishonored the military with his congressional speach and commited treason by meeting with the VC in paris durring the war.

Voted against GW1 and also against the 87 Billion.

The sheep don't care! That should be obvious by now.

May the south rise again!
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:34:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2004 9:37:10 AM EST by Rabid_Coyote]
I did some further checking and I was incorrect. Medical, FTA, etc; are not in the 'General' category.


A less than honorable discharge refers to a discharge that occurs under other than honorable conditions. This can be due to generally improper conduct, conviction of a crime either in a military court martial or a civilian court, or some other inappropriate action on the part of a soldier or someone associated with that soldier.

The United States military subdivides less-than-honorable discharges into four categories, in increasing order of severity:

general discharge;
undesirable discharge;
bad conduct discharge; and
dishonorable discharge.
Undesirable discharges or worse disqualify the soldier from receiving veterans' benefits under most circumstances, and any less-than-honorable discharge - even a general discharge - usually renders the discharged soldier ineligible for unemployment insurance benefits, because such a discharge is considered tantamount to having been "fired" from the most recently-held job.

In addition, those given dishonorable discharges permanently forfeit certain citizenship rights, including the right to vote or legally possess a firearm in certain states. According to the government, there is no way for one to lose citizenship as such by any means, aside from voluntarily, and there is no federal law barring discharged soldiers from voting.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:43:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2004 9:43:29 AM EST by mac130]

Originally Posted By Rabid_Coyote:
I did some further checking and I was incorrect. Medical, FTA, etc; are not in the 'General' category.


A less than honorable discharge refers to a discharge that occurs under other than honorable conditions. This can be due to generally improper conduct, conviction of a crime either in a military court martial or a civilian court, or some other inappropriate action on the part of a soldier or someone associated with that soldier.

The United States military subdivides less-than-honorable discharges into four categories, in increasing order of severity:

general discharge;
undesirable discharge;
bad conduct discharge; and
dishonorable discharge.
Undesirable discharges or worse disqualify the soldier from receiving veterans' benefits under most circumstances, and any less-than-honorable discharge - even a general discharge - usually renders the discharged soldier ineligible for unemployment insurance benefits, because such a discharge is considered tantamount to having been "fired" from the most recently-held job.

In addition, those given dishonorable discharges permanently forfeit certain citizenship rights, including the right to vote or legally possess a firearm in certain states. According to the government, there is no way for one to lose citizenship as such by any means, aside from voluntarily, and there is no federal law barring discharged soldiers from voting.



You're alright in my book. That's for the clarification.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:47:38 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:52:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By Older_Crow:
Oh pleeeeeze, pretty PLEEEEEEZE!



+100
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:53:41 AM EST
Because the qualifications for the presidency are set in the Constitution,

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Kerry's discharge status wouldn't disqualify him from the Presidency. Even a felony conviction wouldn't disqualify him, IMO.

Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:54:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Will it matter?



Not if the Mainstream Media ignores it.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:54:59 AM EST
Please...please...let this be correct
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:03:00 AM EST
Is it true this is the kind of discharge you get for performing gay sex acts with your boat crew??

GunLvr
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:05:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2004 10:05:59 AM EST by Backstop]

Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD:
Is it true this is the kind of discharge you get for performing gay sex acts with your boat crew??

GunLvr


You talkin' administrative discharge or penile discharge?
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:16:52 AM EST
I checked it out @ swift vet site, surfed around looking into it, and when I came back to the swifties the information in the post was pulled.........
either BS or truely developing.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:18:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Will it matter?



Not if the Mainstream Media ignores it.



Nope the MM is irrelevant, their ignorence of it only proves the assertions on the Internet.

The MM digs their grave with every time they lie for Kerry.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:23:05 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:29:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By Backstop:

Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD:
Is it true this is the kind of discharge you get for performing gay sex acts with your boat crew??

GunLvr


You talkin' administrative discharge or penile discharge?



Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:30:02 AM EST
Content removed at the request of the author.

Stay tuned for updates. Will re-open the topic when we have further info.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:44:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By Wingman26:
Content removed at the request of the author.

Stay tuned for updates. Will re-open the topic when we have further info.



Current link, standby.....
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:49:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
wouldn't a dishonerable discharge affect his political future?

mike



Only if you're a Republican. Remember Clinton lied to a grand jury without consequence.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:55:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Well six pages of that thread was just nuked...



This will sound dumb but its either breaking or they found out its a no go.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 11:04:10 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 11:08:11 AM EST
Man oh man.... BIG tag pending outcome. We'll see.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 11:10:45 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 11:38:54 AM EST

Content removed at the request of the author.

Stay tuned for updates. Will re-open the topic when we have further info.



Link Posted: 10/29/2004 12:08:05 PM EST

Kerry's discharge status wouldn't disqualify him from the Presidency. Even a felony conviction wouldn't disqualify him, IMO.



Kerry's Constitutional Conundrum

See this link for Kerry's ability to hold the office of POUS after meeting with NVA in Paris @ '71.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:07:52 PM EST
Swiftvets Update

Take this for what it's worth. They are calling for a massive show of support Sunday on the steps of the Capital for a news confrence. Don't know what to make of it, the poster, Navy Chief, is reputable. Perhaps their is a big shit sandwich on the horizon.
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