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Posted: 10/24/2016 9:34:28 AM EDT
I'm not talking about say a k98 because it has waffen marks. I am talking about linking it to say a unit that committed war crimes etc?
I like the ak kits that came in from the Balkan years back but I've avoided buying kits that can be linked back to a unit that did horrible things. A lot of the kits had trench art or stickers which in some cases can be traced back to where it would have been used. Say Arkan's Tigers or anything relating to the Croatian Ustashe etc. I just feel that while someone else may like the history if it's traced back to a bad moment in history it's just not for me. They are rare but I'd have mixed feelings about owning anything SS related Some may view that as weird but just my take on it. |
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I only avoid what I am not interested in. The man did the deed. Gun was just the tool. |
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When you think about it, there are Enfields and Garands that shot down wonderful people who were practically saints. That's how it is with War.
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I always thought it was important to understand, preserve and exhibit items that can be linked to such events. I always believed in the adage: "if we forget history, we are doomed to repeat it."
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I have an arasaka (no papers) that was given to be after a friend's father passed.
I KNOW that gun did nothing good for US Marines. the stock has 9 notches. |
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No. Some of my Yugo SKS's might have been used in war crimes in the Balkans. Possibly true with my Mosin-Nagants when the Red Army moved into Germany. Same with my K98. I don't believe in karma, ghosts, spirits, etc. so no sleep lost.
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I know that a couple of my AK parts kits saw real use.
I bought an early 56 chinese SKS that had a foot bone in it... I know that rifle saw use. The only thing I don't buy is german stuff. I'm just not interested in it, and I'm careful to avoid it because of the Whiskey Papa angle of it. |
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Do you have such items destroyed in the grinder at the metal processing plant? They are full of demons, you know.
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No, but I wish more people felt like you; it would make mil surps a lot more affordable for me.
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Nope. I own a 1938 manufacture K98 and several Mosins that were manufactured during WWII. No worries about bad juju.
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No. I only avoid what I am not interested in. The man did the deed. Gun was just the tool. View Quote This-and I buy milsurps because of an interest in history. Good or bad, anything like mentioned in the OP is history. Makes it more interesting. I'm not honoring the people who did it, just being the next user of the equipment. |
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I bought two WW-2 German helmets yesterday (a M35 and a M42) and I could give two shits what the square-heads that wore them did.
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I always thought it was important to understand, preserve and exhibit items that can be linked to such events. I always believed in the adage: "if we forget history, we are doomed to repeat it." View Quote This. Arisaka 99, Gew 98, Mosin Nagant, Nagant revolver, Steyr M95, M24 yugo Mauser, the list goes on. I have a lot of guns of types carried by soldiers who were involved in terrible actions against civilians, soldiers, and prisoners. Plus not every US soldier was a saint. Across my collection somewhere there is a decent chance one of my guns has a bad history. This does not bother me, as FMjunkie said, we need to remember history and learn from it. |
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Plain old ROCKS killed fuckers for thousands of years.
But I don't think about rocks as thinking objects capable of being good or evil. Nor firearms. Nor that goatpounder with the tracktor trailer. |
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Hell I have a Japanese Type 99 LMG with a bullet impact on the bipod, god knows how many of our service men fell to if before it was captured.
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I know that a couple of my AK parts kits saw real use. I bought an early 56 chinese SKS that had a foot bone in it... I know that rifle saw use. The only thing I don't buy is german stuff. I'm just not interested in it, and I'm careful to avoid it because of the Whiskey Papa angle of it. View Quote I remember that thread! Either on here or MDSHooters. That was crazy! |
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Quoted: Hell I have a Japanese Type 99 LMG with a bullet impact on the bipod, god knows how many of our service men fell to if before it was captured. View Quote |
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Attributing evil to an inanimate object because it was (or even might have been) used during the commission of an evil act is a quintessential liberal response.
It's a classic illustration of the power of indoctrination. |
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I once passed on a hammer that was used to build a stage for Justin Bieber.
I know those feels. |
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Nice try . Nope just let someone else collect em like I said in the op View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Do you have such items destroyed in the grinder at the metal processing plant? They are full of demons, you know. Nope just let someone else collect em like I said in the op its a reference to the nutjob that had a Nazi marked hi-power destroyed because it was possessed by demons. Get out of GD, occasionally it gets entertaining. |
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Give me a good reason to not own a gun, and I'll listen.
That isn't one of them. |
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Quoted: its a reference to the nutjob that had a Nazi marked hi-power destroyed because it was possessed by demons. Get out of GD, occasionally it gets entertaining. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do you have such items destroyed in the grinder at the metal processing plant? They are full of demons, you know. Nope just let someone else collect em like I said in the op its a reference to the nutjob that had a Nazi marked hi-power destroyed because it was possessed by demons. Get out of GD, occasionally it gets entertaining. |
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If it was cheap enough and what I wanted in a house then yes. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Would you buy a house someone had snuffed it in? If it was cheap enough and what I wanted in a house then yes. But only if the cleanup crew did a good job. |
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Would you buy a house someone had snuffed it in? If it was cheap enough and what I wanted in a house then yes. But only if the cleanup crew did a good job. If cheap enough I would clean it up myself. Some bleach, kilz, and new paint & carpet can go a long way. |
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If cheap enough I would clean it up myself. Some bleach, kilz, and new paint & carpet can go a long way. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Would you buy a house someone had snuffed it in? If it was cheap enough and what I wanted in a house then yes. But only if the cleanup crew did a good job. If cheap enough I would clean it up myself. Some bleach, kilz, and new paint & carpet can go a long way. |
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I think I should clarify. I am not saying guns that were used to commit evil acts are evil as an object I'm saying would you own it knowing it's history? If it was say a Nazi prison guard rifle etc etc knowing the history ?
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View Quote I would have settled for a look at all the fucks I give |
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Never found anything that meets your exact definition, but no, it wouldn't bother me. I wouldn't have any issues with a suicide gun either.
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Quoted: FPNI like a motherfucker. Blaming the gun is liberal think. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: No. I only avoid what I am not interested in. The man did the deed. Gun was just the tool. FPNI like a motherfucker. Blaming the gun is liberal think. I've owned Rhodesian rifles and I'm sure some thought they were used for nefarious means. That said the ZA marked guns especially with the Zimbabwean not rhodesian camo? Just because of my families history I wouldn't own one. |
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I look at them as potential investments, but I wouldn't seek out something linked to something bad.
I don't glorify the bad stuff, but I also understand it has to be preserved as history. I chose to sell off my few Nazi articles, including an armband, because I didn't want it in the house. At the same time, I wanted to make sure it went to a collector to be safe. I do like "trophies." The "my grandpappy kicked your grandpappy's ass" is still a strong sentiment. That's why stuff taken from them is a trophy. I have a Jap battle flag framed, not to glorify the Japs, but because it looks fairly artistic and still has the original owners blood on it. |
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How do you know if a "good" gun wasn't used for something evil? Its just a gun, why waste braincells worrying about something that might not be true?
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Quoted: I look at them as potential investments, but I wouldn't seek out something linked to something bad. I don't glorify the bad stuff, but I also understand it has to be preserved as history. I chose to sell off my few Nazi articles, including an armband, because I didn't want it in the house. At the same time, I wanted to make sure it went to a collector to be safe. I do like "trophies." The "my grandpappy kicked your grandpappy's ass" is still a strong sentiment. That's why stuff taken from them is a trophy. I have a Jap battle flag framed, not to glorify the Japs, but because it looks fairly artistic and still has the original owners blood on it. View Quote I have a friend in nz who has an amazing ww2 collection. With a lot of German stuff. Nothing bad about it at all . Being second gen polish I'd feel weird about having say SS camo in my collection but that is personal taste. |
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I had a landlord up in the mountains decades ago. He was one spooky dude. I went into his place once to pay the rent, the interior was decorated in Nazi memorabilia from floor to ceiling, real stuff--flags, portraits, SS daggers, and an extensive collection of German WWII firearms, you name it, he had it. The portraits were spooky, evil looking dudes, like something from Night Gallery. Creeped me the fuck out. He also had a halftrack painted in Nazi Desert Korps colors and insignia. Rumor had it he had a pillbox up at the top of his property. though I never saw it. He pointed a K98 at me a couple of times after dark, he thought he "heard something".
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Quoted: How do you know if a "good" gun wasn't used for something evil? Its just a gun, why waste braincells worrying about something that might not be true? View Quote |
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The guns out of the Balkan wars are easy to identify because of things like trench carvings. Lot of ultra nationals on all sides during the war. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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How do you know if a "good" gun wasn't used for something evil? Its just a gun, why waste braincells worrying about something that might not be true? what marks the "ultra nationalists" from the "very nationalists" "quasi nationalists" and just plain "nationalists" what about "quantum nationalists" and "pico nationalists" |
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