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Posted: 10/24/2016 9:34:28 AM EDT
I'm not talking about say a k98 because it has waffen marks. I am talking about linking it to say a unit that committed war crimes etc?



I like the ak kits that came in from the Balkan years back but I've avoided buying kits that can be linked back to a unit that did horrible things. A lot of the kits had trench art or stickers which in some cases can be traced back to where it would have been used. Say Arkan's Tigers or anything relating to the Croatian Ustashe etc.




I just feel that while someone else may like the history if it's traced back to a bad moment in history it's just not for me.




They are rare but I'd have mixed feelings about owning anything SS related




Some may view that as weird but just my take on it.






Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:37:26 AM EDT
[#1]
No.



I only avoid what I am not interested in.



The man did the deed.



Gun was just the tool.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:40:41 AM EDT
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I'm with you on this. No thanks.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:41:25 AM EDT
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When you think about it, there are Enfields and Garands that shot down wonderful people who were practically saints.    That's how it is with War.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:42:06 AM EDT
[#4]
LOL.....No.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:42:07 AM EDT
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I always thought it was important to understand, preserve and exhibit items that can be linked to such events.  I always believed in the adage: "if we forget history, we are doomed to repeat it."
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:45:41 AM EDT
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I have an arasaka (no papers) that was given to be after a friend's father passed.

I KNOW that gun did nothing good for US Marines.
the stock has 9 notches.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:45:53 AM EDT
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No.  Some of my Yugo SKS's might have been used in war crimes in the Balkans.  Possibly true with my Mosin-Nagants when the Red Army moved into Germany.  Same with my K98.   I don't believe in karma, ghosts, spirits, etc. so no sleep lost.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:49:54 AM EDT
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I know that a couple of my AK parts kits saw real use.

I bought an early 56 chinese SKS that had a foot bone in it... I know that rifle saw use.

The only thing I don't buy is german stuff. I'm just not interested in it, and I'm careful to avoid it because of the Whiskey Papa angle of it.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:51:35 AM EDT
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Do you have such items destroyed in the grinder at the metal processing plant? They are full of demons, you know.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:52:53 AM EDT
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No, but I wish more people felt like you; it would make mil surps a lot more affordable for me.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:53:51 AM EDT
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Nope. I own a 1938 manufacture K98 and several Mosins that were manufactured during WWII. No worries about bad juju.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:54:44 AM EDT
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I only avoid what I am not interested in.

The man did the deed.

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This-and I buy milsurps because of an interest in history. Good or bad, anything like mentioned in the OP is history. Makes it more interesting. I'm not honoring the people who did it, just being the next user of the equipment.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:55:40 AM EDT
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I avoid guns modified by Bubba.  I don't want that bad juju.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:57:30 AM EDT
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I bought two WW-2 German helmets yesterday (a M35 and a M42) and I could give two shits what the square-heads that wore them did.

Link Posted: 10/24/2016 9:59:31 AM EDT
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I always thought it was important to understand, preserve and exhibit items that can be linked to such events.  I always believed in the adage: "if we forget history, we are doomed to repeat it."
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This. Arisaka 99, Gew 98, Mosin Nagant, Nagant revolver, Steyr M95, M24 yugo Mauser, the list goes on. I have a lot of guns of types carried by soldiers who were involved in terrible actions against civilians, soldiers, and prisoners. Plus not every US soldier was a saint. Across my collection somewhere there is a decent chance one of my guns has a  bad history. This does not bother me, as FMjunkie said, we need to remember history and learn from it.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:00:17 AM EDT
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Plain old ROCKS killed fuckers for thousands of years.
But I don't think about rocks as thinking objects capable of being good or evil.  
Nor firearms.  Nor that goatpounder with the tracktor trailer.  


Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:02:29 AM EDT
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Hell I have a Japanese Type 99 LMG with a bullet impact on the bipod, god knows how many of our service men fell to if before it was captured.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:08:33 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:23:17 AM EDT
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I know that a couple of my AK parts kits saw real use.

I bought an early 56 chinese SKS that had a foot bone in it... I know that rifle saw use.

The only thing I don't buy is german stuff. I'm just not interested in it, and I'm careful to avoid it because of the Whiskey Papa angle of it.
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I remember that thread! Either on here or MDSHooters. That was crazy!
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:24:54 AM EDT
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Hell I have a Japanese Type 99 LMG with a bullet impact on the bipod, god knows how many of our service men fell to if before it was captured.
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See again not talking about that. Combat is fine. I'm referring to something that can be traced to a specific unit or whatever that committed atrocities

 
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:25:18 AM EDT
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Attributing evil to an inanimate object because it was (or even might have been) used during the commission of an evil act is a quintessential liberal response.

It's a classic illustration of the power of indoctrination.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:25:30 AM EDT
[#22]
No
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:25:32 AM EDT
[#23]
I once passed on a hammer that was used to build a stage for Justin Bieber.

I know those feels.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:25:51 AM EDT
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Nice try .

 



Nope just let someone else collect em like I said in the op
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:28:53 AM EDT
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Would you buy a house someone had snuffed it in?  

Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:30:54 AM EDT
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Nice try .  

Nope just let someone else collect em like I said in the op
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Do you have such items destroyed in the grinder at the metal processing plant? They are full of demons, you know.
Nice try .  

Nope just let someone else collect em like I said in the op

its a reference to the nutjob that had a Nazi marked hi-power destroyed because it was possessed by demons. Get out of GD, occasionally it gets entertaining.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:31:12 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:32:43 AM EDT
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Give me a good reason to not own a gun, and I'll listen.

That isn't one of them.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:33:02 AM EDT
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its a reference to the nutjob that had a Nazi marked hi-power destroyed because it was possessed by demons. Get out of GD, occasionally it gets entertaining.
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Do you have such items destroyed in the grinder at the metal processing plant? They are full of demons, you know.
Nice try .  



Nope just let someone else collect em like I said in the op



its a reference to the nutjob that had a Nazi marked hi-power destroyed because it was possessed by demons. Get out of GD, occasionally it gets entertaining.
that's just retarded .



 
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:33:24 AM EDT
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If it was cheap enough and what I wanted in a house then yes.

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If it was cheap enough and what I wanted in a house then yes.


But only if the cleanup crew did a good job.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:39:17 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:45:35 AM EDT
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If cheap enough I would clean it up myself.

Some bleach, kilz, and new paint & carpet can go a long way.
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Would you buy a house someone had snuffed it in?  


If it was cheap enough and what I wanted in a house then yes.


But only if the cleanup crew did a good job.

If cheap enough I would clean it up myself.

Some bleach, kilz, and new paint & carpet can go a long way.


Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:45:38 AM EDT
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I think I should clarify. I am not saying guns that were used to commit evil acts are evil as an object I'm saying would you own it knowing it's history? If it was say a Nazi prison guard rifle etc etc knowing the history ?











Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:45:42 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:46:40 AM EDT
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I would have settled for a look at all the fucks I give
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:47:08 AM EDT
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This, I collect what I like...dosent matter as to origin or use.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:47:50 AM EDT
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No.

I only avoid what I am not interested in.

The man did the deed.

Gun was just the tool
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FPNI like a motherfucker. Blaming the gun is liberal think.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:48:06 AM EDT
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Never found anything that meets your exact definition, but no, it wouldn't bother me. I wouldn't have any issues with a suicide gun either.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:50:00 AM EDT
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I would, I actually think it's really fascinating.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:50:52 AM EDT
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FPNI like a motherfucker. Blaming the gun is liberal think.
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I only avoid what I am not interested in.



The man did the deed.



Gun was just the tool
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FPNI like a motherfucker. Blaming the gun is liberal think.
Not blaming the gun. Said that twice already.

 



I've owned Rhodesian rifles and I'm sure some thought they were used for nefarious means.




That said the ZA marked guns especially with the Zimbabwean  not rhodesian camo? Just because of my families history I wouldn't own one.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:50:59 AM EDT
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Nope.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:51:38 AM EDT
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Ditto just wouldn't own it :)

 





Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:52:09 AM EDT
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Guns don't have magical powders. They are tools.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:52:16 AM EDT
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I look at them as potential investments, but I wouldn't seek out something linked to something bad.






I don't glorify the bad stuff, but I also understand it has to be preserved as history.  I chose to sell off my few Nazi articles, including an armband, because I didn't want it in the house.  At the same time, I wanted to make sure it went to a collector to be safe.







I do like "trophies."  The "my grandpappy kicked your grandpappy's ass" is still a strong sentiment.  That's why stuff taken from them is a trophy.  I have a Jap battle flag framed, not to glorify the Japs, but because it looks fairly artistic and still has the original owners blood on it.  



Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:54:31 AM EDT
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FPNI

Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:54:59 AM EDT
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How do you know if a "good" gun wasn't used for something evil?  Its just a gun, why waste braincells worrying about something that might not be true?
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:55:52 AM EDT
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I look at them as potential investments, but I wouldn't seek out something linked to something bad.
I don't glorify the bad stuff, but I also understand it has to be preserved as history.  I chose to sell off my few Nazi articles, including an armband, because I didn't want it in the house.  At the same time, I wanted to make sure it went to a collector to be safe.
I do like "trophies."  The "my grandpappy kicked your grandpappy's ass" is still a strong sentiment.  That's why stuff taken from them is a trophy.  I have a Jap battle flag framed, not to glorify the Japs, but because it looks fairly artistic and still has the original owners blood on it.  





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See again I don't have issue with that.

 



I have a friend in nz who has an amazing ww2 collection. With a lot of German stuff. Nothing bad about it at all .




Being second gen polish I'd feel weird about having say SS camo in my collection but that is personal taste.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:56:47 AM EDT
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I had a landlord up in the mountains decades ago.  He was one spooky dude.  I went into his place once to pay the rent, the interior was decorated in Nazi memorabilia from floor to ceiling, real stuff--flags, portraits, SS daggers, and an extensive collection of German WWII firearms, you name it, he had it.  The portraits were spooky, evil looking dudes, like something from Night Gallery.  Creeped me the fuck out.  He also had a halftrack painted in Nazi Desert Korps colors and insignia.  Rumor had it he had a pillbox up at the top of his property. though I never saw it.  He pointed a K98 at me a couple of times after dark, he thought he "heard something".
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:57:07 AM EDT
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How do you know if a "good" gun wasn't used for something evil?  Its just a gun, why waste braincells worrying about something that might not be true?
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The guns out of the Balkan wars are easy to identify because of things like trench carvings. Lot of ultra nationals on all sides during the war.

 
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:59:07 AM EDT
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The guns out of the Balkan wars are easy to identify because of things like trench carvings. Lot of ultra nationals on all sides during the war.  
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How do you know if a "good" gun wasn't used for something evil?  Its just a gun, why waste braincells worrying about something that might not be true?
The guns out of the Balkan wars are easy to identify because of things like trench carvings. Lot of ultra nationals on all sides during the war.  


what marks the "ultra nationalists" from the "very nationalists" "quasi nationalists" and just plain "nationalists"

what about "quantum nationalists" and "pico nationalists"
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