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Posted: 6/29/2015 4:45:43 PM EDT
i just heard on the radio that the Supreme Court has issued a ruling on Voter ID laws where the Supreme Court decided that states cannot require voters to prove citizenship.



Can anyone confirm this?
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Does it matter?
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 4:47:17 PM EDT

The U.S. Supreme Court rejected a joint-appeal from Arizona and Kansas on Monday that would have allowed the states to require applicants to show proof of citizenship while registering to vote.


In throwing out the case, SCOTUS uphold a Nov. 2014 ruling by the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, stating that the Election Assistance Commission — the federal agency overseeing changes to states’ voter registration processes — was, "not required to grant the states’ request that proof of citizenship be added to registration requirements,” reports Reuters. The court believed that the federal registration form — requiring applicants to swear they are citizens under the threat of perjury — was a sufficient safe-guard against voter fraud.


http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/29/supreme-court-throws-out-arizona-kansas-voter-id-appeal/






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State issue not Fed issue.  At least for now.
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 4:47:56 PM EDT
I wounder if this will have any bearings on 4473's when it comes to providing ID/ proving citizenship?
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No need. The government just gives guns to narco terrorists these days.
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 5:00:00 PM EDT
Wow! I guess now I don't have to show ID or have a background check done when exercising my 2A rights....

How far down on the BoR list is it for voting?
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I wounder if this will have any bearings on 4473's when it comes to providing ID/ proving citizenship?

  No need. The government just gives guns to narco terrorists these days.

There's that.

I'm looking forward to the mental gymnastics used to justify the ID/citizenship requirement on a 4473 now that SCOTUS came down with this ruling.

I smell another DUI checkpoint ruling.  "Yeah, checkpoints are unconstitutional, but they're just the tip when it comes to fucking the 4th amendment in the ass, so we'll allow it".  Bet we see something similar if SCOTUS hears arguments against the ID and citizen requirement on 4473's.
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 5:03:23 PM EDT
Setting the stage for another round of dimbs to get elected.
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State issue not Fed issue.  At least for now.

Funny how that doesn't work consistently.
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 5:04:58 PM EDT
From Vampire Economy: Doing Business Under Fascism by Gunter Reimann, 1939.



The owner of the property was helpless, since under fascism
there is no longer an independent judiciary that protects
the property rights of private citizens against the State.
The authoritarian State has made it a principle that
private property is no longer sacred.


The government of a totalitarian State would not be
"authoritarian" if the courts still functioned independently,
as they do under liberal capitalism.

https://mises.org/sites/default/files/The%20Vampire%20Economy.pdf

ETA:

A little off topic, but interesting nonetheless in the context of the last few years.  From the same book:

You have no idea how far State control goes and how
much power the Nazi representatives have over our work.
The worst of it is that they are so ignorant. In this respect
they certainly differ from the former Social-Democratic
officials. These Nazi radicals think of nothing except "distributing
the wealth."

Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist
theories, so that they will have a better understanding of
the present economic system.

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I'm looking forward to the mental gymnastics used to justify the ID/citizenship requirement on a 4473 now that SCOTUS came down with this ruling.
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I wounder if this will have any bearings on 4473's when it comes to providing ID/ proving citizenship?

  No need. The government just gives guns to narco terrorists these days.

There's that.

I'm looking forward to the mental gymnastics used to justify the ID/citizenship requirement on a 4473 now that SCOTUS came down with this ruling.

There are no mental gymnastics required, we have crossed the Rubicon into straight up tyranny.

They do whatever the fuck they want, and really have for some time.
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There are no mental gymnastics required, we have crossed the Rubicon into straight up tyranny.

They do whatever the fuck they want, and really have for some time.
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I wounder if this will have any bearings on 4473's when it comes to providing ID/ proving citizenship?

  No need. The government just gives guns to narco terrorists these days.

There's that.

I'm looking forward to the mental gymnastics used to justify the ID/citizenship requirement on a 4473 now that SCOTUS came down with this ruling.

There are no mental gymnastics required, we have crossed the Rubicon into straight up tyranny.

They do whatever the fuck they want, and really have for some time.

I smell another DUI checkpoint ruling.  "Yeah, checkpoints are unconstitutional, but they're just the tip when it comes to fucking the 4th amendment in the ass, so we'll allow it".  Bet we see something similar if SCOTUS hears arguments against the ID and citizen requirement on 4473's.
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 5:06:34 PM EDT
How does this jive with Heller and MacDonald then?
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State issue not Fed issue.  At least for now.

So was marriage
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Voting is not in the BoR.   Pre-war of northern aggression, States set their own voting requirements.  Post-wona, they were barred from restricting it for race, and later they were barred for considering gender.

But voting has never been a right - it is a qualified privilege.
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i just heard on the radio that the Supreme Court has issued a ruling on Voter ID laws where the Supreme Court decided that states cannot require voters to prove citizenship.

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State issue not Fed issue.  At least for now.

Funny how that doesn't work consistently.

Some rights are more important than others. Or whichever ones the Federal govt. deems more worthy at the time.
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 5:11:04 PM EDT
Yea, because people wouldn't lie on that form.  And it's not like there are people getting arrested for it.



I am 100% for voter ID.
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Voting is not in the BoR.   Pre-war of northern aggression, States set their own voting requirements.  Post-wona, they were barred from restricting it for race, and later they were barred for considering gender.



But voting has never been a right - it is a qualified privilege.





 
What about the 26th Amendment?
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Wow! I guess now I don't have to show ID or have a background check done when exercising my 2A rights....

How far down on the BoR list is it for voting?


Voting is not in the BoR.   Pre-war of northern aggression, States set their own voting requirements.  Post-wona, they were barred from restricting it for race, and later they were barred for considering gender.

But voting has never been a right - it is a qualified privilege.

It would be more prudent to be exploring how to restrict voting, not make it easier.

Giving suffrage to every dumbass who survives to 18, has been an unmitigated disaster.
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State issue not Fed issue.  At least for now.


Some day we'll all learn that there is no such thing as a "state issue" any more.
Indiana passed the first law requiring ID to vote.
Of course, those opposed to the law immediately filed a lawsuit in Federal court.
The Fine Nine in D.C. approved the law so it's still in effect. If five of the Nine had disapproved, voter ID would be dead in the U.S..
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I'm all for voting requirements to be every bit as stringent as the ones applied to buying a gun.

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Link Posted: 6/29/2015 5:24:41 PM EDT
let repubs start getting elected in a landslide.... and get a chunk of the dem vote, and all you will hear is screaming about voter id... and you will get a fed law  lickity split requiring it...
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let repubs start getting elected in a landslide.... and get a chunk of the dem vote, and all you will hear is screaming about voter id... and a law lickity split requiring it...
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Great theory, but that'll never happen again.
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 5:29:50 PM EDT
LOL. The country is lost. Taken over by fascists and degenerates.

The left would burn the country to the foundation if it could dictate what happens to the ashes.

eta - the supreme court didn't even hear the case. Apparently different circuits would have to rule separately on the issue before they will take it.


Regardless, we are fucked.
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Wow! I guess now I don't have to show ID or have a background check done when exercising my 2A rights....

How far down on the BoR list is it for voting?


Voting is not in the BoR.   Pre-war of northern aggression, States set their own voting requirements.  Post-wona, they were barred from restricting it for race, and later they were barred for considering gender.

But voting has never been a right - it is a qualified privilege.

  What about the 26th Amendment?

Dude, you're totally harshing my "lincolnwasaterrorist" mellow.
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 5:35:48 PM EDT
This is freedom. Everyone on mother Gaia should have the right to vote as many times as they want.



For the crony of their choice.
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requiring applicants to swear they are citizens under the threat of perjury — was a sufficient safe-guard against voter fraud.
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I am 100% for voter ID.
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 5:43:39 PM EDT
Shit is happening faster and faster. It's like there is a schedule.
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 5:45:46 PM EDT
Well get out there and vote Early & Often.


Fire with fire.
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How far down on the BoR list is it for voting?


Voting is not in the BoR.   Pre-war of northern aggression, States set their own voting requirements.  Post-wona, they were barred from restricting it for race, and later they were barred for considering gender.

But voting has never been a right - it is a qualified privilege.

  What about the 26th Amendment?


Wasn't originally an enumerated right except to land owners & then it was elsewhere in the Constitution.

But as it is it is waaaay down in the list.

#2 is still #2


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requiring applicants to swear they are citizens under the threat of perjury — was a sufficient safe-guard against voter fraud.








 
Do you swear under penalty of perjury that you are an American citizen?




Si!
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 6:08:04 PM EDT
next election day I might as well go to every single polling place in the state and vote, because fuck it, it doesn't matter anymore, evidently.
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 6:21:55 PM EDT
Americans are what is wrong with America.
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There are a few old people that want to see shit happen before they're gone
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Lets see - the first revolution was caused because of lack of representation.

The second revolution - ultimately cause by lack of representation (their vote could not protect their interests)

The Texas revolution - Santa Anna removed the vote form the Mexican Territories.



But coupled with these - is what do you have to loose (if you stay, or if you try to go).  We are still too rich and have too much to loose.



for what it is worth, the illegals could also revolt.  They also lack representation, and have less to loose.
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Lets see - the first revolution was caused because of lack of representation.

The second revolution - ultimately cause by lack of representation (their vote could not protect their interests)

The Texas revolution - Santa Anna removed the vote form the Mexican Territories.



But coupled with these - is what do you have to loose (if you stay, or if you try to go).  We are still too rich and have too much to loose.



for what it is worth, the illegals could also revolt.  They also lack representation, and have less to loose.
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How is it that they lack representation when most of OUR elected representatives fall over themselves to take care of the illegals' needs and interests??
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 7:08:00 PM EDT
I say do it anyway like the Obama Administration and then let the Supremes rule against it.
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Lets see - the first revolution was caused because of lack of representation.

The second revolution - ultimately cause by lack of representation (their vote could not protect their interests)

The Texas revolution - Santa Anna removed the vote form the Mexican Territories.



But coupled with these - is what do you have to loose (if you stay, or if you try to go).  We are still too rich and have too much to loose.



for what it is worth, the illegals could also revolt.  They also lack representation, and have less to loose.
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A lot of the people who participated in the American Revolution and the Texas Revolution had quite a bit to lose, and many of them lost everything.




I am not advocating for revolt, just pointing out the fact that historically, the people who built this nation didn't wait until they had everything stripped from them before they took action.




As for the illegals revolting, anyone can revolt at any time for any reason if they think that the cause is worth dying for. But in their case, their justification is weak, to put it mildly. They illegally smuggled themselves into our country and now demand equal footing with legal citizens, including the right to participate in our electoral process? They don't even belong here!




Besides, the illegals couldn't care less about voting. This is the work of The Leftists who are trying to bolster their share of the proletariat. The illegals are simply useful idiots, like the gays.
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 8:05:29 PM EDT
You could power this country if you hooked a genearator up to our spinning Forefathers.
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Giving suffrage to every dumbass who survives to 18, has been an unmitigated disaster.
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Wow! I guess now I don't have to show ID or have a background check done when exercising my 2A rights....

How far down on the BoR list is it for voting?


Voting is not in the BoR.   Pre-war of northern aggression, States set their own voting requirements.  Post-wona, they were barred from restricting it for race, and later they were barred for considering gender.

But voting has never been a right - it is a qualified privilege.

It would be more prudent to be exploring how to restrict voting, not make it easier.

Giving suffrage to every dumbass who survives to 18, has been an unmitigated disaster.


It's the end result of democracy combined with an "all men are equal" ideal. Arguably, equality before the law is the philosophical rationalization for the inherent pressure to maximize the quantity of voters that democracy creates.
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Just a bit in that they will be free to do their voter fraud without repercussions now rather than before when they had to at least try to hide it.

If I can just come in your house and steal you shit in the open and not be afraid of you doing something, well its better than having to sneak in at night and be quiet.

Buy you're right, the end result is the same.
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What the Fuck are you talking about?

Yet another whole thread has ignored your post again.
Are you 2Minkey's close brother?

If you have an interesting, helpful or provocative thought about how this affects THAT significant case then give us a clue. Maybe then someone other than me will respond to your cryptic double secret brilliant conceptualizations.

I have no idea, but I'm pretty dum.

I can imagine though, that if the SCOTUS doesn't think people need to prove they are citizens  for voting (thus for anything), then in effect everyone in the world can be a citizen, then yeah every law on the books, every aspect of the constitution can be revisited.

And then where are we? I don't know but I suspect its not good.
Link Posted: 6/29/2015 8:30:39 PM EDT
Yeah, I feel this country is done.
I'm glad I'm older and won't have to suffer what is yet to come for you younger folks.


Me "spending your social security money" (a monthly thread) is the least of your problems that are yet to come.....


 
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Yeah, I know. I read the article and got to that "core of the whole fucking thing" part and went "oh my". We are fucked. And we are seeing it every day in so many ways.
Interesting times indeed.
Well. I'm 60 and things were good for America during that time (though the seeds of this were sown or were growing).
I am lucky and am grateful to have had that.
And I will continue to be grateful for whatever I continue to have.


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