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Posted: 8/3/2009 10:29:56 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 10:40:48 AM EST
Dont know enough to comment really, sucks for the poor girl. Only a little hope in that maybe she is in better hands now.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 10:43:40 AM EST
Rightfully so.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 10:45:51 AM EST


It was just a movie, LAPD SWAT. You're not ACTUALLY supposed to shoot the hostages.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 10:46:44 AM EST
Their surgical shooting skills need work. Sucks to be that officer.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 10:51:59 AM EST
Her old man gets coked up, uses the daughter as a hostage, and it's LA PD's fault.


Link Posted: 8/3/2009 10:57:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By peekay:
Her old man gets coked up, uses the daughter as a hostage, and it's LA PD's fault.



What if the guy grabbed some random baby, would it still be OK?
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 10:58:38 AM EST
Lorena, I am sorry your baby died, but it was the father that murdered that baby.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 10:59:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2009 10:59:53 AM EST by Tango7]
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 11:02:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By peekay:
Her old man gets coked up, uses the daughter as a hostage, and it's LA PD's fault.




+1 on the .

At least they got the right address...
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 11:03:07 AM EST
damn you LL Cool J
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 11:08:27 AM EST
I wonder if the mother's lawyers argued that the popo should have shot the gun out of the babydaddy's hand because they're trained all special and stuff...
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 11:22:08 AM EST
Originally Posted By Spyder7:

Originally Posted By peekay:
Her old man gets coked up, uses the daughter as a hostage, and it's LA PD's fault.



What if the guy grabbed some random baby, would it still be OK?


Nobody said it is. "OK" but the blame rests with the dead father not the LAPD. If they went through a trial both sides rested and the Judge took it out of the jury's hands and gave a directed virdict there must not have been much evidence. Judges rarely do that but I have seen it before.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 11:25:27 AM EST
Looking for more info on the story now.

It is definetly the fathers fault. But did SWAT really need to storm in there? Was anyone in danger? Anyone have info on why they went in, or how long it was before they went in?

I am all about the good guys taking out the bad guys, but a little girl is dead.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 11:32:34 AM EST

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local&id=3719104

Monday, December 12, 2005 | 7:59 PM

LOS ANGELES –– The mother of a toddler who was killed, along with her father, in a July 10 shootout filed a wrongful death and negligence suit today against Chief William Bratton, the city and numerous LAPD officers.

The LAPD has maintained that 19-month-old Suzie Pena was accidentally shot by officers when her father used her as a "human shield" during the 2 1/2- hour standoff and shootout with police.

A representative for the department said the LAPD had no comment on the Los Angeles Superior Court suit brought on behalf of Lorena Lopez.

She alleges that the officers who were sent to Jose Raul Pena's used-car business in Watts "negligently and recklessly did not use proper and established police tactics designed to preserve life and safely resolve the problem at hand."

Bratton and Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa have named a Board of Inquiry to investigate the shooting death of the toddler and her 34-year-old father, who shot at police before the SWAT team fired back, killing him and his daughter.

One of the 11 officers involved in the shootout was wounded in the shoulder.

An autopsy showed that Pena had drugs and alcohol in his system, and trace amounts of drugs were also found in the toddler's body.

The mother contends she told officers that Pena "was depressed and needed psychological help" and pleaded on her knees with officers to let her go inside the car lot to retrieve her daughter, to no avail.

Lopez also claims police failed to give negotiators sufficient time to defuse the situation before shooting.

According to her suit, the "negligent, reckless and incompetent acts in question include massive indiscriminate shooting into the small office enclosure housing Suzie Pena; the confrontational SWAT tactics; the failure to continue negotiations; the rushed entry into the small office; and the use of the flash-bang grenade in such close quarters."

The suit filed by attorney Luis Carillo, a vocal LAPD critic, further alleges that department officials were warned in September and November of last year that the SWAT unit was "reckless and dangerous to the public."

The Pena shooting was one of several earlier this year that placed the department under intense scrutiny, drew criticism from community activists and generated calls for changes in police procedure.

Lopez is seeking unspecified compensatory and punitive damages and separate punitive damages against Bratton "in his individual capacity."


Link Posted: 8/3/2009 11:36:02 AM EST
I guess it wasn't Horiuci's fault either.
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 3:19:23 AM EST
Originally Posted By Bloencustoms:
I guess it wasn't Horiuci's fault either.


You have to apply GD logic to understand.

Hispanic Child = Anchor Baby.

Link Posted: 8/4/2009 3:29:04 AM EST
any one of us who missed and accidentally shot someone's little girl in a self defense shooting would be kicking out heals in prison while losing everything we owned.
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 3:41:13 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 3:44:32 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 3:52:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
They were all US citizens.

You sure? This says Jose was an illegal
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 3:58:34 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 4:00:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By Orbital-Burn:
any one of us who missed and accidentally shot someone's little girl in a self defense shooting would be kicking out heals in prison while losing everything we owned.


Prove it. Post one case. Just one.


There is probably a lack of such cases since civilians involved in self defense shootings are unlikely to be attacked by thugs holding their babies. Police seek out thugs in their own homes, so the chances of this happening to an officer are greater. Still, doesn't bring the baby back to life.

Link Posted: 8/4/2009 4:03:15 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 4:03:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By Spyder7:

Originally Posted By peekay:
Her old man gets coked up, uses the daughter as a hostage, and it's LA PD's fault.



What if the guy grabbed some random baby, would it still be OK?

huh?


Link Posted: 8/4/2009 9:05:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By Kurush:
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
They were all US citizens.

You sure? This says Jose was an illegal


My bad.


Glad that that makes it okay!
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 9:09:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/4/2009 9:10:34 AM EST by DLaw]
Originally Posted By peekay:
Her old man gets coked up, uses the daughter as a hostage, and it's LA PD's fault.




Of course

How else is baby mama gonna get paid?

Link Posted: 8/4/2009 9:15:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By Bloencustoms:
I guess it wasn't Horiuci's fault either.


Huh?

In context that comment makes no sense whatsoever.
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 9:18:47 AM EST
I saw this woman talking on the news through and interpreter. Fuck her boot her back to her home country. Sorry about the kid. No big paycheck this time –– blame your dead husband –– it was his actions that killed the kid.
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 9:25:59 AM EST
From what I read elsewhere there were numerous people in danger and the suspect fired 41 rounds. So there is a possibility that the SWAT team felt a sense of urgency for all involved.
Link Posted: 8/5/2009 1:49:08 AM EST
Horrible circumstance.
Link Posted: 8/5/2009 2:24:13 AM EST
Originally Posted By GotGuns:
Originally Posted By peekay:
Her old man gets coked up, uses the daughter as a hostage, and it's LA PD's fault.




+1 on the .

At least they got the right address...


A +1 and a lol
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