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Posted: 8/11/2011 7:39:36 PM EDT
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Not what I expected.
I thought you were going to ask for advice about what to wear to a gay rally or something. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 7:40:06 PM EDT
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I don't understand. You're not lesbians.
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Posted: 8/11/2011 7:45:18 PM EDT
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As a kid I had a GL and then I had an 05 WRX Sti I think they make a good that will last a decent time.
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Posted: 8/11/2011 7:51:01 PM EDT
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I love my WRX wagon, I would always choose a wagon over a sedan (if both are Subarus).
The wagon gives you a lot more options for hauling stuff, imho. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 7:51:02 PM EDT
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I wouldn't get the one with the bigger engine, I'd rather have the newest 4 cyl. Outback with the lowest miles I could afford. They are a bit gutless on hills, but no big deal. The mileage is already not that great.
I also do not know if Subaru's 6 cyl engine is as long lasting as the 4 cyl one, someone with more knowledge should be able to answer that. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 7:58:52 PM EDT
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Go get another Civic. You know they are great cars, so, keep it simple.
vmax84 |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 7:59:19 PM EDT
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I have an 2005 Outback with the 2.5L engine, good milage no problems since owning it. I would go with the 2.5 for gas milage, it's bound to be better than what I get which is around 25-27mpg driving these country roads. I've got friends who own the 3.0L's, they haven't had issues either but get poorer gas milage.
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Posted: 8/11/2011 8:06:14 PM EDT
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Oh PLEASE do NOT get a fucking Subaru Outback.
Based on my experience with having to share the road with them in Oregon, the speed maxes out at 5 mph under whatever the current speed limit is, come with no turn signals, brake lights that pulse in otherwise smooth traffic flow, pull hard to the left on highways, reek of patchouli and butch lesbian sex, flannel shirts are standard equipment, and only come in Forest Green.  |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 8:13:57 PM EDT
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Oh PLEASE do NOT get a fucking Subaru Outback. Based on my experience with having to share the road with them in Oregon, the speed maxes out at 5 mph under whatever the current speed limit is, come with no turn signals, brake lights that pulse in otherwise smooth traffic flow, pull hard to the left on highways, reek of patchouli and butch lesbian sex, flannel shirts are standard equipment, and only come in Forest Green. Oh jeez...the Outback's owner was a tall, masculine woman who wore Birkenstocks, she kept telling me to slow down during the test drive, and the car was *gulp* forest green... But really, the car is a light gold, and the owner is this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8f8drk5Urw (Seriously, no shit) And I'm from LA. I drive like an asshole and everyone else is going too slow and braking too much. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 8:18:59 PM EDT
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I love my WRX wagon, I would always choose a wagon over a sedan (if both are Subarus). The wagon gives you a lot more options for hauling stuff, imho. This is the single biggest thing that's driving me nuts. I really think the 4cyl is a better value, but the fact that it's a sedan is why the door is so open for the Outback. There are 4cyl Outbacks available, but all are in that $18-20k range anyway, so if I'm going that high I'd rather take the decked out one mentioned above. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 8:19:37 PM EDT
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Rachel Maddow approves of this thread...
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Posted: 8/11/2011 8:19:55 PM EDT
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Get a Forester. A better value in terms of bang for your buck. For a few dollars more, the dealer will remove the Rainbow Bumper sticker.
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Posted: 8/11/2011 8:20:12 PM EDT
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Odd, neither of you look gay.
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Posted: 8/11/2011 8:21:03 PM EDT
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Your budget is $18k... It's tempting to stretch "just a little," but nickel and dime here and there, and you might end up in over your head.
You're newlyweds? Save your cash... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 8:24:21 PM EDT
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Before you settle for either, you need to check out a Legacy 2.5GT. That's the 2.5 with a Turbo.
You can thank me later. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 8:30:24 PM EDT
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Before you settle for either, you need to check out a Legacy 2.5GT. That's the 2.5 with a Turbo. You can thank me later. I looked into it and decided NOT to test drive one because I knew it would be moving in a whole different direction. That would be WAY too much fun. I'm (sorta) trying to save my pennies, and since I don't want someone else's worn-out turbo in my price range/area, I didn't want to get sucked into the turbo game with a great test drive then come here looking for justification to come in 30% over budget... |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 8:36:00 PM EDT
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Your budget is $18k... It's tempting to stretch "just a little," but nickel and dime here and there, and you might end up in over your head. You're newlyweds? Save your cash... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yeah, add in the fact that the 3.0R engine is premium-recommended, and that 10% over budget can and will add up. We do need another car that we can count on (she's a 5-day-a-week university student, I'm active USAF), but we are looking forward and have considered that we can still go get that "better" car later and don't have to get it now. However, the Outback just seems like a good deal and it better fits the profile of a vehicle we'd want to have 6, 7, 8 years down the road. Sort of a "buy once, cry once" deal...but going from 15k to 20k for a car isn't the same as going from 800 to 1100 for a black rifle. Such is the rub... |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 8:39:00 PM EDT
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Why are there only two choices? Can't you find a 4cyl wagon anywhere?
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Posted: 8/11/2011 8:39:56 PM EDT
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IIRC you could get a 3.0R sedan in those years.
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Posted: 8/11/2011 8:45:49 PM EDT
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Don't listen to the haters comments. A Subaru is a good car, handles well, gets good gas millage, safe and reliable. Having a 2.5I as my daily driver I would say its JUST enough power to commute comfortably. If you wanted some extra oomph I would go with the Outback with the 3.0, plus you get the extra room and versatility of a wagon. Good luck!
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Posted: 8/11/2011 8:47:35 PM EDT
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Why are there only two choices? Can't you find a 4cyl wagon anywhere? Yeah, but I wanted the 4wd, even though I don't *need* it here in SATX. Plus my wife and I both love the Subaru brand's reputation for durability, safety, and dependability. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 8:50:20 PM EDT
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Oh PLEASE do NOT get a fucking Subaru Outback. Based on my experience with having to share the road with them in Oregon, the speed maxes out at 5 mph under whatever the current speed limit is, come with no turn signals, brake lights that pulse in otherwise smooth traffic flow, pull hard to the left on highways, reek of patchouli and butch lesbian sex, flannel shirts are standard equipment, and only come in Forest Green. I drive an Outback with a BFL, what are you saying? And mine is dark blue....
Joking aside, I think that you should go with the Outback if it isn't too much of a hit on your finances. You can carry so much in them. I have a 2010 and I get very good gas mileage on the freeway topping out at 35, but it is usually at around 30-32 on the freeway. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 8:51:56 PM EDT
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And I'm from LA. I drive like an asshole and everyone else is going too slow and braking too much. 
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Posted: 8/11/2011 8:54:59 PM EDT
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Oh PLEASE do NOT get a fucking Subaru Outback. Based on my experience with having to share the road with them in Oregon, the speed maxes out at 5 mph under whatever the current speed limit is, come with no turn signals, brake lights that pulse in otherwise smooth traffic flow, pull hard to the left on highways, reek of patchouli and butch lesbian sex, flannel shirts are standard equipment, and only come in Forest Green. I drive an Outback with a BFL, what are you saying? And mine is dark blue....
Joking aside, I think that you should go with the Outback if it isn't too much of a hit on your finances. You can carry so much in them. I have a 2010 and I get very good gas mileage on the freeway topping out at 35, but it is usually at around 30-32 on the freeway. Is your Outback a 3.0R or 2.5i? If I could find a 2.5i Outback at the price of the Legacy ($15ish), then I'd probably go for it. But I can't... The Subaru forums are noting the price of the Outback as high...and the seller's not very motivated to sell/unwilling to haggle/negotiate. Maybe in other parts of the country, the price is high, but in south/central TX, it's actually below average. It's a bit of a hit on the finances, but if it's worth it, buy once cry once(?) |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 9:09:21 PM EDT
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The wife drives a sub impreza wrx. never had any problems, it has around 100k on it now. good in snow and what not also
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Posted: 8/11/2011 9:20:48 PM EDT
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I would recomend going with the Outback for what you are looking for. I believe that you will appreciate the extra cargo space, though I think that you could do a lot better on pricing if you are willing to buy a slightly older vehicle. Before the 2001 Outback that I am driving know, I had a Buick Park Ave (big-ass sedan). Needless to say, it is nice to be able to throw things like bikes, wood, target frames, piles of rifles, etc.... in the back by just throwing down the seats. I know a girl who basically runs a her business out of the back of her Outback- carrying inventory and supplies all over her broad sales territory (NY/NJ and all of New England).
That said, I have the 4 cyl. in mine. It accelerates well and handles New England hills very well. It doesn't feel nearly as powerful as 3.8 V6 that I previously drove BUT it seems to do way better than many of the other 4 cylinders that I have test driven. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 9:25:17 PM EDT
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Your budget is $18k... It's tempting to stretch "just a little," but nickel and dime here and there, and you might end up in over your head. You're newlyweds? Save your cash... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yeah, add in the fact that the 3.0R engine is premium-recommended, and that 10% over budget can and will add up. We do need another car that we can count on (she's a 5-day-a-week university student, I'm active USAF), but we are looking forward and have considered that we can still go get that "better" car later and don't have to get it now. However, the Outback just seems like a good deal and it better fits the profile of a vehicle we'd want to have 6, 7, 8 years down the road. Sort of a "buy once, cry once" deal...but going from 15k to 20k for a car isn't the same as going from 800 to 1100 for a black rifle. Such is the rub... Perfectly understandable... It's good to be thinking ahead. There is one more thing to consider when buying any used car; repairs. Things may show up right after purchase, and without a warranty, you're on the hook. I needed a vehicle last year, and stretched that budget. Unfortunately, I found out I needed a new radiator 2 months after I bought it... 
With a baby on the way, a job that barely covered our monthly bills, I lost a lot of sleep... It worked out in the end, but I should have budgeted some cash for any repairs that came up with buying a used car... |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 9:30:11 PM EDT
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Why are there only two choices? Can't you find a 4cyl wagon anywhere? Yeah, but I wanted the 4wd, even though I don't *need* it here in SATX. Plus my wife and I both love the Subaru brand's reputation for durability, safety, and dependability. Most Outbacks are 4 cylinders and come with the same AWD system. If you were willing to look at vehicles a few years older, you could save a substantial chunk of change. EDIT: Looking at San Antonio Craigslist, it looks like Subarus are A LOT more expensive down there than they are up here. WOW! The pricing on the LLBEAN model actually doesn't look too bad at all. |
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Posted: 8/12/2011 3:13:15 AM EDT
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The price of gasoline is not going to go down.
Something to consider in the 4 cly. vs. 6 cyl. debate. |
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Posted: 8/12/2011 4:11:57 AM EDT
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If it matters I believe teh 3.0 liter engines require high $$$ octane gas
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Posted: 8/12/2011 4:22:01 AM EDT
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I choose the wagon. I have a wrx wagon & am always surprised at how much can fit in it. It does however suck having to put premium gas in––-$$$. The awd is very handy for me & I live in fl.... So I don't really get that argument. Rain, dirt, trail mud(when going to biking trails), beach and vacations have all been handled very easily.
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Posted: 8/12/2011 4:32:55 AM EDT
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My 2004 outback just ran up my credit card debt trying to keep it repaired... 2 heater cores, 2 serpentine belts, 3 sets of tires, shocks and struts, radiator, head gaskets... This was in addition to regular oil changes every 5K miles. Parts are expensive, non Subaru service centers dont have the proper tools to fix them.... That car was a nightmare. Finally traded it off with 165K miles on it. Should have traded it off sooner.
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Posted: 8/12/2011 4:37:13 AM EDT
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after about 1997 ALL SUBARU'S ARE AWD both of those cars are all wheel drive.
i have an 06 outback sport with the same 2.5i and its a lot of fun mine is an impreza so smaller, the larger legacy is gonna be a little "slugish" with a 2.5i go with the H6 outback!! |
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Posted: 8/12/2011 4:39:37 AM EDT
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Quoted: My 2004 outback just ran up my credit card debt trying to keep it repaired... 2 heater cores, 2 serpentine belts, 3 sets of tires, shocks and struts, radiator, head gaskets... This was in addition to regular oil changes every 5K miles. Parts are expensive, non Subaru service centers dont have the proper tools to fix them.... That car was a nightmare. Finally traded it off with 165K miles on it. Should have traded it off sooner. That's what keeps me away from them more than anything else. Cost of ownership is high. OP is talking about keeping it for 8yrs, but I bet he's swearing at it in two. |
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Posted: 8/12/2011 4:40:46 AM EDT
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Best wedding picture evar. You both have guns and neither is smiling (indicating you both know that you just fucked up royally
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I keed, I keed. Being USAF, isnt there a possibility you'll wind up in Minot? Get the 4WD. It's expensive to add later.
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Posted: 8/12/2011 4:57:55 AM EDT
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I love my WRX wagon, I would always choose a wagon over a sedan (if both are Subarus). The wagon gives you a lot more options for hauling stuff, imho. This is the single biggest thing that's driving me nuts. I really think the 4cyl is a better value, but the fact that it's a sedan is why the door is so open for the Outback. There are 4cyl Outbacks available, but all are in that $18-20k range anyway, so if I'm going that high I'd rather take the decked out one mentioned above. I think I'd rather have the 5 speed transmission even with the 3.5L engine for highway driving. |
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Posted: 8/12/2011 5:00:59 AM EDT
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all the subarus has the same 4cl boxer engine which is a great little engine, if you think you'll be hauling some shit around also look into the forester. sure it's a dyke wagon but it's an awesome little car
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Posted: 8/12/2011 5:02:15 AM EDT
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I'd get the wagon. The cargo space is very useful to have.
I have a WRX hatch and can fit a TON of stuff in the back, but I still would like more room! The full on estate wagon cargo area would be great to have. Luckily, we have a minivan to fill that need. |
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Posted: 8/12/2011 5:05:31 AM EDT
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*facepalm* Butterbars.....
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Posted: 8/12/2011 5:07:28 AM EDT
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I'd get the wagon. The cargo space is very useful to have. I have a WRX hatch and can fit a TON of stuff in the back, but I still would like more room! The full on estate wagon cargo area would be great to have. Luckily, we have a minivan to fill that need. Just to play devil's advocate. I went from an Outback to a Legacy sedan because I wanted the extra protection of the truck. Guitars, rifle cases, my work laptop, etc., I like it better when you can't just see it all through the glass if I have to leave it in my car for some reason. |
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Posted: 8/12/2011 5:12:06 AM EDT
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all the subarus has the same 4cl boxer engine which is a great little engine, if you think you'll be hauling some shit around also look into the forester. sure it's a dyke wagon but it's an awesome little car Eh, stay away from EJ25D motor (Legacy 96-99, Forester & Impreza 98) and the EJ251 (everything from 2000 to 2004). Those are the head gasket problems. The 2.2L motor is an amazing motor, and the new 2.5L after 2004 are also excellent. |
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Posted: 8/12/2011 5:17:47 AM EDT
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Quoted: I love my WRX wagon, I would always choose a wagon over a sedan (if both are Subarus). The wagon gives you a lot more options for hauling stuff, imho. Yea buddy I have an 06 Outback Wagon, 2.5 4cyl,,, 26 MPG All wheel drive,,, Like the car!! only thing I don't like,, the gas cap is on the wrong side,, |
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Posted: 8/12/2011 5:26:31 AM EDT
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The 6 cylinder has a timing chain instead of a belt. That will save you around $1k when you hit 100,000 miles (if you plan on keeping that long.)
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Posted: 8/12/2011 5:50:50 AM EDT
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The space in the Outback is a bonus, but it isn't THAT much over a sedan. The shape of the back doesn't lend itself to getting more than a bike in there, which you can basically do with the sedan trunk too. If you carry lots of boxes or little things it is more space, but for a bulky or odd shaped object, not so much.
That Outback, even for the LL Bean edition, is over priced by about 2k. The sedan is in the ballpark. Make sure you know the history of the head gasket issue with the 4 cyl engines in those things before you buy. They say they fixed the issue in 2005, but it doesn't show up until the cars are 5 - 10 years old so we don't really know. The 6 cyl didn't have the issue as far as I know.
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Posted: 8/12/2011 5:54:13 AM EDT
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The flat 6 is a gas hog, as far as Subarus go, and I have been happy with the 2.5...plenty of power, great on gas, and the Suby AWD system is amazing.
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Posted: 8/12/2011 7:33:59 AM EDT
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Quoted: The space in the Outback is a bonus, but it isn't THAT much over a sedan. The shape of the back doesn't lend itself to getting more than a bike in there, which you can basically do with the sedan trunk too. If you carry lots of boxes or little things it is more space, but for a bulky or odd shaped object, not so much. That Outback, even for the LL Bean edition, is over priced by about 2k. The sedan is in the ballpark. Make sure you know the history of the head gasket issue with the 4 cyl engines in those things before you buy. They say they fixed the issue in 2005, but it doesn't show up until the cars are 5 - 10 years old so we don't really know. The 6 cyl didn't have the issue as far as I know. Things you can easily throw in an outback/impreza wagon that won't easily fit in a sedan: A flat screen TV Large target stands for the range 5 large rifle cases stacked up vertically, with stuff on top of them Tons of camping gear Etc.... The sedan holds a LOT less and its a lot more work to get stuff in and out of it, its a big difference. |
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