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Posted: 1/18/2015 9:38:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/18/2015 9:38:41 AM EST by Thatdude333]
Interesting thread over on Reddit "College admission officers, what is the worst reason you chose not to accept a student?" included several responses that college admission offices look through social media sites for information on applicants.

Though I found this gem that GD will enjoy...

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My university is prohibited by State law (Washington) from using race in their admissions process in any way. Admissions isn't even allowed to see the race listed for the applicant.

Well, the State school desperately want to increase black enrollment anyway, so they find ways to cheat the State Constitution. They use strange metrics in admissions which are geared to coincide with black applicants. It was also an open secret that they would look at people's social media accounts for admissions (an easy way to identify race). One kid changed his details and his account photo to make himself look black. He even posted photos of other black people and would tag them indicating they are relatives.

The guy got accepted and was invited to some sort of "incoming freshmen of excellence" thing and when he showed up he got kicked out of the photoshoot, and the administrator who was there was furious. She threatened to kick him out of the University for lying about his race. The guy said "I never lied about my race, I put on the application I was white" and she immediately realized what had happened, and that the University was screwed if she made a big deal about it. He still wasn't allowed in the photo.

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<---- Shocked face.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 9:43:01 AM EST
One of the very few people actually smart and savvy enough to get into the program almost gets kicked out. It's funny and sad all at once.
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Sounds like a gross civil right violation and a good legal case.

America has no room for racism, of any type.
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One of the very few people actually smart and savvy enough to get into the program almost gets kicked out. It's funny and sad all at once.
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So true. He beat the people trying to game the system and won.......barely
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 10:01:56 AM EST
Is that considered stealing a college admission the same as downloading a torrent movie
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Originally Posted By Tyrendeth:
One of the very few people actually smart and savvy enough to get into the program almost gets kicked out. It's funny and sad all at once.
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This
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 2:21:56 PM EST
You can lead a horse to water...
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 2:25:02 PM EST
Fuck racists.
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What I find sad about this anecdote is that this hypothetical 17 or 18 year old had to be pretty jaded about the way the world works to do something like that. People usually become (more) inflexible, crotchety, and racist as they get older; I can't even imagine what kind of world this kid lives in where he knows that he'd have "imply" he was black in order to get into a program that he should ostensibly be qualified for.
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Originally Posted By lufthansa:
What I find sad about this anecdote is that this hypothetical 17 or 18 year old had to be pretty jaded about the way the world works to do something like that. People usually become (more) inflexible, crotchety, and racist as they get older; I can't even imagine what kind of world this kid lives in where he knows that he'd have "imply" he was black in order to get into a program that he should ostensibly be qualified for.
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I think most people who are applying to college are aware there is pressure to have more minorities, it was that way when I applied and that was more than 20 years ago.

There was a film called Soul Man where the protagonist takes tanning pills and pretends to be black to get a scholarship.

I'd actually take the opposite stance. Anyone who actually should be attending college is more than aware that, regardless of stated intentions, there is a desire to have more minority students. People who aren't aware should probably be going to trade school, not college.


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The is absolutely NO accepted standard to define what is black/African American (unlike Native American, which often has specific standards or requirements).

As far as I can tell, the "one drop of blood" standard could be used.

Consequently, whenever I am asked to fill out any university form, I always put "African American." If anyone questions it, I will challenge them to prove that I am not black.



That said, I am too much of a chicken shit to do it on federal forms.
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Lots of whites in South Africa. Tell them you believe your descendants are from there.
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
The is absolutely NO accepted standard to define what is black/African American (unlike Native American, which often has specific standards or requirements).

As far as I can tell, the "one drop of blood" standard could be used.

Consequently, whenever I am asked to fill out any university form, I always put "African American." If anyone questions it, I will challenge them to prove that I am not black.



That said, I am too much of a chicken shit to do it on federal forms.
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Just ask them to be inspected by their preferred phrenologist.
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Lots of whites in South Africa. Tell them you believe your descendants are from there.
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Originally Posted By Rooster-Cogburn:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
The is absolutely NO accepted standard to define what is black/African American (unlike Native American, which often has specific standards or requirements).

As far as I can tell, the "one drop of blood" standard could be used.

Consequently, whenever I am asked to fill out any university form, I always put "African American." If anyone questions it, I will challenge them to prove that I am not black.



That said, I am too much of a chicken shit to do it on federal forms.


Lots of whites in South Africa. Tell them you believe your descendants are from there.

Only if you are traveling backwards in time....
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Lots of DUTCH whites from there. Denmark is close enough.
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Originally Posted By Rooster-Cogburn:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
The is absolutely NO accepted standard to define what is black/African American (unlike Native American, which often has specific standards or requirements).

As far as I can tell, the "one drop of blood" standard could be used.

Consequently, whenever I am asked to fill out any university form, I always put "African American." If anyone questions it, I will challenge them to prove that I am not black.



That said, I am too much of a chicken shit to do it on federal forms.


Lots of whites in South Africa. Tell them you believe your descendants are from there.


Lots of DUTCH whites from there. Denmark is close enough.


I'd give an 18 year old Charlize Theron a scholarship, if I were an administrator.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 3:11:05 PM EST
Originally Posted By Thatdude333:
Interesting thread over on Reddit "College admission officers, what is the worst reason you chose not to accept a student?" included several responses that college admission offices look through social media sites for information on applicants.

Though I found this gem that GD will enjoy...
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There are some good reads there!

I'm an admissions counselor for all of our Chinese applicants, so you can imagine I get a lot of interesting essays (many of which look like they're either straight from Google Translate or they paid a consultant to write something for them). One essay I read recently was from a girl who wrote about her experience volunteering in a nursing home. I thought this would just be the typical "I'm awesome because I made a difference" essay, but in fact, in turned into softcore porn. The girl began writing about giving an old woman a bath (whom she called her "pet"); she described in detail how she rubbed the skin back and forth, including the "floppy crotch."
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Only if you are traveling backwards in time....
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Originally Posted By Rooster-Cogburn:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
The is absolutely NO accepted standard to define what is black/African American (unlike Native American, which often has specific standards or requirements).

As far as I can tell, the "one drop of blood" standard could be used.

Consequently, whenever I am asked to fill out any university form, I always put "African American." If anyone questions it, I will challenge them to prove that I am not black.



That said, I am too much of a chicken shit to do it on federal forms.


Lots of whites in South Africa. Tell them you believe your descendants are from there.

Only if you are traveling backwards in time....


Well fuck, you got me, I fail at English today. You know what I meant. I was going to use ancestors, but wasn't sure how to spell it, then forgot to modify the rest of the sentence to make sense.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 3:19:31 PM EST
A friend of mine got a call at work from his son when said son was applying to college.
Son had stated he was african- american and college interviewer was demanding he change it.
His dad went home and got the families citizenship papers and went to the college.
Showed admissions that yes indeed the family was from south africa and were now US citizens.
Admissions office backed down and junior got an ass chewing for being a smart ass.
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My mentor was on the medical school admissions board. They got upset when he brought up that they are waitlisting and denying white male applicants with 28-30MCAT and 3.5+ GPAs while admitting black female students with a 24 MCAT and a 2.7GPA.
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One of my buddies had a college roommate at University of Georgia back in the 90s. The roommate was born in South Africa and had emigrated to the United States. On every form, he put "African-American" in spite of being as pasty white as the porn star Stoya. (google is your friend.) College admissions tried to call him to the carpet on it his freshman year. He showed them his birth certificate. They shut the hell up.

Here's an interesting tidbit from the Dept of Education...

The 2007 final guidance allows individuals to self-identify their ethnicity and race, and permits individuals to select more than one race and/or ethnicity. This change authorizes individuals to more accurately reflect their racial and ethnic background by not limiting responses to only one racial or ethnic category, and expands reporting options to seven categories (American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, Black or African American, Hispanic, Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander, White, and Two or More Races). The Department recognizes that this change requires additional changes to the education information systems of state agencies, school districts, and postsecondary institutions across the country.
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My FIL is the whitest whiteboy who was ever white. But he was born in Zaire. That fact (plus he's dam smart) got him in to Yale; they'd never seen him in person.
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Lots of whites in South Africa. Tell them you believe your descendants are from there.
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Originally Posted By Rooster-Cogburn:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
The is absolutely NO accepted standard to define what is black/African American (unlike Native American, which often has specific standards or requirements).

As far as I can tell, the "one drop of blood" standard could be used.

Consequently, whenever I am asked to fill out any university form, I always put "African American." If anyone questions it, I will challenge them to prove that I am not black.



That said, I am too much of a chicken shit to do it on federal forms.


Lots of whites in South Africa. Tell them you believe your descendants are from there.

My whiter than white cousins were born in Niger. They lol at applications.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 3:31:06 PM EST
I am a white Hispanic

Mother was born in mexico and legally entered the U.S.

I got a scholarship under a Hispanic trust. It was denied by the college because I was not "Hispanic" enough.
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Originally Posted By Silverbulletz06:
My mentor was on the medical school admissions board. They got upset when he brought up that they are waitlisting and denying white male applicants with 28-30MCAT and 3.5+ GPAs while admitting black female students with a 24 MCAT and a 2.7GPA.
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This sounds like a SUNY or a CUNY. My son was denied twice and waitlisted once from the nursing school with a 3.57 GPA. He is still working on getting into an accelerated program.

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Good for him, s crew that college.
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I am a white Hispanic

Mother was born in mexico and legally entered the U.S.

I got a scholarship under a Hispanic trust. It was denied by the college because I was not "Hispanic" enough.
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Lawsuit.
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My FIL is the whitest whiteboy who was ever white. But he was born in Zaire. That fact (plus he's dam smart) got him in to Yale; they'd never seen him in person.
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Where is Zaire? Can you point to it on a map?
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I am a white Hispanic

Mother was born in mexico and legally entered the U.S.

I got a scholarship under a Hispanic trust. It was denied by the college because I was not "Hispanic" enough.
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Orale.
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
The is absolutely NO accepted standard to define what is black/African American (unlike Native American, which often has specific standards or requirements).

As far as I can tell, the "one drop of blood" standard could be used.

Consequently, whenever I am asked to fill out any university form, I always put "African American." If anyone questions it, I will challenge them to prove that I am not black.



That said, I am too much of a chicken shit to do it on federal forms.
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I was under the impression it was "self identification", whatever group you decide you identify as or with.
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Originally Posted By ziarifleman:

Where is Zaire? Can you point to it on a map?
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Originally Posted By PercentMan:
My FIL is the whitest whiteboy who was ever white. But he was born in Zaire. That fact (plus he's dam smart) got him in to Yale; they'd never seen him in person.

Where is Zaire? Can you point to it on a map?

DRC.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 4:00:30 PM EST
It's all a fucked up pathetic travesty that makes me want to puke, and I feel ashamed for what our country is becoming.
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DRC.
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Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
Originally Posted By PercentMan:
My FIL is the whitest whiteboy who was ever white. But he was born in Zaire. That fact (plus he's dam smart) got him in to Yale; they'd never seen him in person.

Where is Zaire? Can you point to it on a map?

DRC.


Yeah, it's changed names six or seven (?) times since he was born there. But that's what it was called at the time (mid-'50s)
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Yeah, it's changed names six or seven (?) times since he was born there. But that's what it was called at the time (mid-'50s)
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Originally Posted By hauslp:
Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
Originally Posted By PercentMan:
My FIL is the whitest whiteboy who was ever white. But he was born in Zaire. That fact (plus he's dam smart) got him in to Yale; they'd never seen him in person.

Where is Zaire? Can you point to it on a map?

DRC.


Yeah, it's changed names six or seven (?) times since he was born there. But that's what it was called at the time (mid-'50s)

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Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
The is absolutely NO accepted standard to define what is black/African American (unlike Native American, which often has specific standards or requirements).

As far as I can tell, the "one drop of blood" standard could be used.

Consequently, whenever I am asked to fill out any university form, I always put "African American." If anyone questions it, I will challenge them to prove that I am not black.



That said, I am too much of a chicken shit to do it on federal forms.
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Well your grandma on your mother's side was Sicilian, right?


Link Posted: 1/18/2015 4:10:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By Thatdude333:
Interesting thread over on Reddit "College admission officers, what is the worst reason you chose not to accept a student?" included several responses that college admission offices look through social media sites for information on applicants.

Though I found this gem that GD will enjoy...

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My university is prohibited by State law (Washington) from using race in their admissions process in any way. Admissions isn't even allowed to see the race listed for the applicant.

Well, the State school desperately want to increase black enrollment anyway, so they find ways to cheat the State Constitution. They use strange metrics in admissions which are geared to coincide with black applicants. It was also an open secret that they would look at people's social media accounts for admissions (an easy way to identify race). One kid changed his details and his account photo to make himself look black. He even posted photos of other black people and would tag them indicating they are relatives.

The guy got accepted and was invited to some sort of "incoming freshmen of excellence" thing and when he showed up he got kicked out of the photoshoot, and the administrator who was there was furious. She threatened to kick him out of the University for lying about his race. The guy said "I never lied about my race, I put on the application I was white" and she immediately realized what had happened, and that the University was screwed if she made a big deal about it. He still wasn't allowed in the photo.

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Nice. That would make a hell of a law suit if true.
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Per GD :

Their college . Their rules.





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My blonde haired blue eyed nephew was born in Cameroon.
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It's far worse than that. She was Swedish.
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Originally Posted By Magurgle:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
The is absolutely NO accepted standard to define what is black/African American (unlike Native American, which often has specific standards or requirements).

As far as I can tell, the "one drop of blood" standard could be used.

Consequently, whenever I am asked to fill out any university form, I always put "African American." If anyone questions it, I will challenge them to prove that I am not black.



That said, I am too much of a chicken shit to do it on federal forms.
Well your grandma on your mother's side was Sicilian, right?




It's far worse than that. She was Swedish.


Could be worse.

My wife's grandparents on one side and great grand parents on the other side were both from Norway.

So my wife is 100% Norwegian. Yes, the sense of humor can be lacking at times...

She had her DNA tested on ancesty.com and likes to brag that she is more Norwegian than the Norwegians...
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I can only imagine the furor if a college was using social media to ensure students were white......


What a fucked up, racist world this is.
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Institutionalized racism.

I've always refused to put my race down on most forms where is is clearly not necessary.

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Got anything besides a Reddit?
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That's not actually what I meant.

I mean that any white-bread American, whose family has been here for hundreds of years, MIGHT still have some tiny, TINY percentage of black ancestry ... from some distant branch of a family tree, or just really far back in time.

Heck, if I want to get really technical I CAN actually prove my African ancestry. Mitochondrial Eve lived in East Africa, and it is a scientific/statistical fact that she is a matrilineal ancestor of mine.

Precisely because there is NO STANDARD for how black or African you ancestry has to be to check the African American box on a form, nobody can disprove my claim.
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Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:
Originally Posted By Rooster-Cogburn:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
The is absolutely NO accepted standard to define what is black/African American (unlike Native American, which often has specific standards or requirements).

As far as I can tell, the "one drop of blood" standard could be used.

Consequently, whenever I am asked to fill out any university form, I always put "African American." If anyone questions it, I will challenge them to prove that I am not black.



That said, I am too much of a chicken shit to do it on federal forms.


Lots of whites in South Africa. Tell them you believe your descendants are from there.


Lots of DUTCH whites from there. Denmark is close enough.


I'd give an 18 year old Charlize Theron a scholarship, if I were an administrator.


That's not actually what I meant.

I mean that any white-bread American, whose family has been here for hundreds of years, MIGHT still have some tiny, TINY percentage of black ancestry ... from some distant branch of a family tree, or just really far back in time.

Heck, if I want to get really technical I CAN actually prove my African ancestry. Mitochondrial Eve lived in East Africa, and it is a scientific/statistical fact that she is a matrilineal ancestor of mine.

Precisely because there is NO STANDARD for how black or African you ancestry has to be to check the African American box on a form, nobody can disprove my claim.


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Where is Zaire? Can you point to it on a map?
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Originally Posted By PercentMan:
My FIL is the whitest whiteboy who was ever white. But he was born in Zaire. That fact (plus he's dam smart) got him in to Yale; they'd never seen him in person.

Where is Zaire? Can you point to it on a map?


There is an Ebola strain named after the country.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 5:12:46 PM EST
Didn't I read somewhere that all of our ancestors came from Africa? I did read that we are no more than 50th cousins and most of us are like 10th cousins. My wife found a person from her mom's side with the same name as another ancestor from her dad's side from about 200 years ago. It was the same person.
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