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Posted: 6/11/2009 4:49:57 AM EDT
Store's owner says he fired weapon out of fear
By Tonya Root - [email protected] CONWAY –– A Myrtle Beach man facing a murder charge told a jury Wednesday, just before the panel began deliberations, that he shot a man out of fear for his own life. The Horry County jury will continue their deliberations today in the case of Eli Eliyahu, who is accused of shooting to death a customer, Bradley Pope 23, of Myrtle Beach outside a Garden City Beach beachwear store. The nine-woman, three-man jury stalled Wednesday after deliberating for about an hour. They will resume today when a video expert from Charleston returns to the courtroom to replay a video that was shown during the trial, which began on Monday. But before Wednesday's delay Eli Eliyahu testified that he shot Pope June 8, 2007, because he feared for his life after the two had a confrontation in Eliyahu's beachwear store, Jaws Resort Wear in Garden City Beach. Eliyahu's attorney, Tommy Brittain asked Eliyahu: "Why did you shoot him?" Eliyahu testified: "I felt my life was threatened. ... I didn't see a weapon, but I didn't know if he had one. I didn't know if he was going to take my weapon. He was angry. He was pissed off." "I thought I had the right to go out into my parking lot and get the plate information so he would be held accountable for what he did," Eliyahu said. "I was afraid for my life. I thought this man was really going to do some harm on me." Eliyahu was originally charged with voluntary manslaughter, but later a grand jury returned an indictment for murder after prosecutors sought the upgraded charge. The 24-year-old Myrtle Beach native told jurors Wednesday that he approached two women with three children and Pope in the store that morning about controlling the children to keep them from harming themselves. Eliyahu said Pope confronted him, "shoulder bumped" him and then put his hand on Eliyahu's neck and shoved him before the group left the store. That incident was caught on the store's security system and jurors asked to see the video again. Eliyahu said he immediately called 911 dispatch and followed the family outside to get the license plate number of the vehicle they were leaving in. Eliyahu said Pope threatened him in the parking lot and charged at him, prompting him to pull a gun from his pants and yell for Pope to leave the property. Eliyahu said Pope charged at him and he shot him. Eliyahu had a permit to carry a concealed weapon and testified he'd carried the gun for about a year for protection before the incident. "I wanted to get the pistol to protect myself at nights at the beachwear store. At night you get a different crowd in there. They can be drunk and belligerent. I wanted to protect myself and my employees." Assistant Solicitor Brad Richardson said Eliyahu had 22 bullets on him when the shooting occurred. Pope's family members said they are hopeful the jury is reviewing the evidence in the case to return a guilty verdict. "If it will serve justice I respect the jury's tenacity in getting to the point," said Lloyd Georges, Pope's grandfather. Eliyahu's other attorney, Preston Brittan, said they are hopeful the jury will review the evidence and find Eliyahu was justified in the incident. "We're looking to trust the system to work," Brittan said. http://www.thesunnews.com/news/local/story/934101.html Hmmmm. |
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If he was "in fear" he would not have followed them out into the parking lot. Pretty simple.
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"Assistant Solicitor Brad Richardson said Eliyahu had 22 bullets on him when the shooting occurred."
WTF Someone fucked up...you don't follow people when the incident could be over. He'll get convicted of something for sure...I don't know about murder...but since he followed him out to the parking lot, maybe a good DA could show intent. |
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Depends on what the video shows. Just going out into the parking lot to get the plate might not sink the shooter, although it does maybe give the impression of chasing after the guy out of anger.
What do you have to show to use a firearm in VA? If you have to be in fear of serious bodily injury or somesuch having the guy previously push you then run towards you will be a tough sell. |
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It appeared he wanted to press charges against the person for the assault - and was assaluted again getting plate information. Secondly he was on his property when both assaults occurred. Thank God Texas does not have a retreat law.
I have to assume that the state in question has very week self defense protection - or that there is a lot of stuff missing from the article. But then again I supported Joe Horn. |
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Depends on what the video shows. Just going out into the parking lot to get the plate might not sink the shooter, although it does maybe give the impression of chasing after the guy out of anger. What do you have to show to use a firearm in SC? If you have to be in fear of serious bodily injury or somesuch having the guy previously push you then run towards you will be a tough sell. Fixed. |
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Based on the limited information available I say good shoot.
He was assaulted by the man. He had every right to try and identify him through his license plate information. The deceased charged a man with a gun-that to me, says something about his state of mind.....play stupid games....... The deceased sounds like a guy with an anger problem. You don't cause problems in somebodies store and then physically assault them- tough guy. Not as tough as a bullet apparently. |
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If he was "in fear" he would not have followed them out into the parking lot. Pretty simple. He wasn't in fear when he went out to get the license plate number. Or did he draw his weapon, then go out? The fear started when "Pope threatened him in the parking lot and charged at him." |
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Based on the limited information available I say good shoot. He was assaulted by the man. He had every right to try and identify him through his license plate information. The deceased charged a man with a gun-that to me, says something about his state of mind.....play stupid games....... The deceased sounds like a guy with an anger problem. You don't cause problems in somebodies store and then physically assault them- tough guy. Not as tough as a bullet apparently. Unless I'm reading it wrong and I looked at a couple of times, the gun did not come out till the end. I would for sure say good shoot if the guy charged a man holding a weapon. |
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Sounds like a good shoot to me.
If you have a gun drawn and someone still charges you, you have to assume that if they get to you, they are going to try to disarm you and use your weapon on you. |
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Good shoot.
Going out to try and get the plate number may have "felt" safe as the BG's were leaving. |
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Hope he had security cameras to back it up, and sounds like he called 911 before going out, so that's a good thing too.
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Maybe a good shoot, maybe the jury won't convict. He's almost certianly going to get a wrongful death suit out of it and be destroyed financilaly, at the very least.
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Based on the limited information available I say good shoot. He was assaulted by the man. He had every right to try and identify him through his license plate information. The deceased charged a man with a gun-that to me, says something about his state of mind.....play stupid games....... The deceased sounds like a guy with an anger problem. You don't cause problems in somebodies store and then physically assault them- tough guy. Not as tough as a bullet apparently. Very well said. |
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Based on the limited information available I say good shoot. He was assaulted by the man. He had every right to try and identify him through his license plate information. The deceased charged a man with a gun-that to me, says something about his state of mind.....play stupid games....... The deceased sounds like a guy with an anger problem. You don't cause problems in somebodies store and then physically assault them- tough guy. Not as tough as a bullet apparently. +1 Good Shot |
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Owner was already assualted in the store.
If the outdoor video shows the dead guy coming after him and a verbal threat, then it could be justified if SC does not require retreat. Does SC allow the use of lethal force in a non-lethal force encounter. Means, opportunity and intent. Opportunity would be him charging. The threat and prior physical assualt shows intent. Means would be a weapon or overwelming force. he may not have had the means to inflict severe bodily harm. But the jury after seeing the video, if it shows clearly that the dead guy was the aggressor, could side with the defendant. I guess the biggest question is: Why did he not keep his distance from a guy that had already assualted him and why did he not retreat back to the store when the guy started in his direction? Even if he is found not guilty, too many people forget about the wrongful death suit that will kill him financially. Mace would have come in handy and is always a good non-lethal use of force to try and stop an attack. |
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Opinion from across the pond...
If the deceased didn't want to get shot; then he shouldn't have charged an armed man who he had just assaulted who was pointing a gun at him. Sounds like a mixture of good shoot and natural selection to me. If the shooter was in the UK (and had used a weapon legal in the UK) then he would be looking at about 30 years - even if the guy had a knife. That's how dumb it is here |
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Unless I'm reading it wrong and I looked at a couple of times, the gun did not come out till the end.
I would for sure say good shoot if the guy charged a man holding a weapon. Yeah, the way I read it was that he went into the parking lot and the guy verbally assaulted him and advanced on him. He then pulled his firearm and told him to leave and at that point the guy charged him. Anybody that attempts to close distance with you when you have a firearm out and have told them to leave the premises, especially when they have just a short time earlier assaulted you- should be considered a serious threat. I would have shot him too at that point. |
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Based on the limited information available I say good shoot. He was assaulted by the man. He had every right to try and identify him through his license plate information. The deceased charged a man with a gun-that to me, says something about his state of mind.....play stupid games....... The deceased sounds like a guy with an anger problem. You don't cause problems in somebodies store and then physically assault them- tough guy. Not as tough as a bullet apparently. Unless I'm reading it wrong and I looked at a couple of times, the gun did not come out till the end. I would for sure say good shoot if the guy charged a man holding a weapon. As usual, the story isn't worded very well. I took away from the article that he charged a gun. This was the line that gave me that impression: Eliyahu said Pope threatened him in the parking lot and charged at him, prompting him to pull a gun from his pants and yell for Pope to leave the property. Eliyahu said Pope charged at him and he shot him.
Now, I'm only basing this on the story, I'd want to see the security footage to back it up.. but based on the chronology of that statement alone... 1. Eliyahu follows guy to parking lot to retrieve license plate 2. Pope threatens him 3. Pope charges at him 4. Eliyahu pulls gun 5. Pope pauses his charge 6. Eliyahu yells at Pope to leave 7. Pope resumes his halted charge 8. Eliyahu fires If the security footage backs up that claim.... good shoot. |
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Good shoot, but it is easy to see how it became a criminal case. I hope he gets off.
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Unless I'm reading it wrong and I looked at a couple of times, the gun did not come out till the end.
I would for sure say good shoot if the guy charged a man holding a weapon. Yeah, the way I read it was that he went into the parking lot and the guy verbally assaulted him and advanced on him. He then pulled his firearm and told him to leave and at that point the guy charged him. Anybody that attempts to close distance with you when you have a firearm out and have told them to leave the premises, especially when they have just a short time earlier assaulted you- should be considered a serious threat. I would have shot him too at that point. If he charged a guy knowing he had a gun drawn, good shoot. |
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The nine-woman, three-man jury stalled Wednesday after deliberating for about an hour. Wow, that's a jury of his peers...if he lived on fucking Amazonian Island. WTH? |
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The video of the man choking him or touching him well set him free.
He will just have to explain why he followed them out. |
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From what's written in the article, sounds like a good shoot to me.
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Assuming it happened the way the store owner says, good shoot. Hopefully outside video evidence will show that. I find it hard to believe though that someone would charge someone holding a gun on them.
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I find it hard to believe though that someone would charge someone holding a gun on them.
Happens all the time, ask any cop. People are on dope, steroids, not right in the head......Had a guy not long ago here that pulled a friggen airsoft pistol on a cop-when the cop had a gun on him-tweeker....What do you think the cop did? |
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I find it hard to believe though that someone would charge someone holding a gun on them.
Happens all the time, ask any cop. People are on dope, steroids, not right in the head......Had a guy not long ago here that pulled a friggen airsoft pistol on a cop-when the cop had a gun on him-tweeker....What do you think the cop did? Yea, maybe I'm out of line. |
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I find it hard to believe though that someone would charge someone holding a gun on them. Happens all the time, ask any cop. People are on dope, steroids, not right in the head......Had a guy not long ago here that pulled a friggen airsoft pistol on a cop-when the cop had a gun on him-tweeker....What do you think the cop did? Yea, maybe I'm out of line. You are thinking rationally, not all folks do. Sometimes they get hurt. |
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It appeared he wanted to press charges against the person for the assault - and was assaluted again getting plate information. Secondly he was on his property when both assaults occurred. Thank God Texas does not have a retreat law. I have to assume that the state in question has very week self defense protection - or that there is a lot of stuff missing from the article. But then again I supported Joe Horn. FL? No, we got a pretty good "stand your ground" law. |
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If he was "in fear" he would not have followed them out into the parking lot. Pretty simple. TWO SEPARATE INCIDENTS |
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Assuming it happened the way the store owner says, good shoot. Hopefully outside video evidence will show that. I find it hard to believe though that someone would charge someone holding a gun on them. I don't. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Assuming it happened the way the store owner says, good shoot. Hopefully outside video evidence will show that. I find it hard to believe though that someone would charge someone holding a gun on them. I don't. Remember the girl in Manhatten who told a mugger "Whatya gonna do, shoot me?" Some people just figure the other person won't shoot, I guess. |
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Assuming it happened the way the store owner says, good shoot. Hopefully outside video evidence will show that. I find it hard to believe though that someone would charge someone holding a gun on them. I don't. Remember the girl in Manhatten who told a mugger "Whatya gonna do, shoot me?" Some people just figure the other person won't shoot, I guess. Yep. I have seen all manner of stupidity. So nothing really surprises me anymore. |
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I find it hard to believe though that someone would charge someone holding a gun on them. Not hard at all. You see, lots of people have had a gun pulled on them before. Especially people who live on the other side of the law. Pulling a gun on them doesn't mean anything to them....especially if you look scared to death. They figure you probably don't have the sand to shoot, or they are so pissed off they don't care if you DO shoot, they are going to fuck you up anyway. Stop and ponder that for a minute: There are people out there who don't give a damn if you do kill them...they are going to fuck you up anyway. From the information in the story I'd rule not guilty. The benefit of the doubt has to go to the guy who wasn't breaking the law. |
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Based on the limited information available I say good shoot. He was assaulted by the man. He had every right to try and identify him through his license plate information. The deceased charged a man with a gun-that to me, says something about his state of mind.....play stupid games....... The deceased sounds like a guy with an anger problem. You don't cause problems in somebodies store and then physically assault them- tough guy. Not as tough as a bullet apparently. Unless I'm reading it wrong and I looked at a couple of times, the gun did not come out till the end. I would for sure say good shoot if the guy charged a man holding a weapon. As usual, the story isn't worded very well. I took away from the article that he charged a gun. This was the line that gave me that impression: Eliyahu said Pope threatened him in the parking lot and charged at him, prompting him to pull a gun from his pants and yell for Pope to leave the property. Eliyahu said Pope charged at him and he shot him.
Now, I'm only basing this on the story, I'd want to see the security footage to back it up.. but based on the chronology of that statement alone... 1. Eliyahu follows guy to parking lot to retrieve license plate 2. Pope threatens him 3. Pope charges at him 4. Eliyahu pulls gun 5. Pope pauses his charge 6. Eliyahu yells at Pope to leave 7. Pope resumes his halted charge 8. Eliyahu fires If the security footage backs up that claim.... good shoot. +1 anyone have video? |
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It was the right decision to shoot, but why was the gun out in the first place? He showed terrible judgement up to that point. First of all, is your life so desperately boring that you have to press charges against a guy you're never going to see again for shoving you? Then when he confronts you in reaction to your pursuit, why do you fear for your life enough to draw down? Do you honestly think he's going to beat a total stranger to death in front of his entire family? It's the defendant's fault for escalating the situation to deadly force, plain and simple.
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The video of the man choking him or touching him well set him free. He will just have to explain why he followed them out. Did you not read the part where the storekeeper went out to get a license plate number? |
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Quoted: Quoted: The video of the man choking him or touching him well set him free. He will just have to explain why he followed them out. Did you not read the part where the storekeeper went out to get a license plate number? Oh yea, he's supposed to cower in fear on his own property. |
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What do you have to show to use a firearm in VA? If you have to be in fear of serious bodily injury or somesuch having the guy previously push you then run towards you will be a tough sell. It doesn't appear that this happened in Virginia.... But in Virginia: - There is no duty to retreat when you are obeying the law - There is no duty to retreat in your home or property - Deadly force is generally justified only when there is an imminent threat of serious/grave bodily harm - A disparity of force alone is generally insufficient to qualify as a justification for deadly force |
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It was the right decision to shoot, but why was the gun out in the first place? He showed terrible judgement up to that point. First of all, is your life so desperately boring that you have to press charges against a guy you're never going to see again for shoving you? Perhaps you don't see things this way, but if some dickhead lays hands on me he's going to answer for it. I don't assault people, partially because it's morally wrong and partially because it's illegal. I expect others to behave the same way. If someone decides that he's going to ignore propriety and the law and lay hands on me, then he's going to be held accountable for it before the law. Period. |
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If he was "in fear" he would not have followed them out into the parking lot. Pretty simple. He was trying to get the license plate so he could report it to the cops. Then the guy got hostile again and came after him. THAT is when he was afraid for his life and drew his gun and told the guy to stay away. And the guy kept coming. I'd say good shoot. The hostile customer played a stupid game and won a stupid prize. |
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Perhaps you don't see things this way, but if some dickhead lays hands on me he's going to answer for it. You're going to go after him and shoot him dead? |
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It appeared he wanted to press charges against the person for the assault - and was assaluted again getting plate information. Secondly he was on his property when both assaults occurred. Thank God Texas does not have a retreat law. I have to assume that the state in question has very week self defense protection - or that there is a lot of stuff missing from the article. But then again I supported Joe Horn. I think Joe Horn should have gotten a fucking medal. "They're getting away! They're getting away! I'm not letting this happen! Hey you, stop! Bang, you're dead!" *BOOMBOOM* "Open and shut case. The two dirtbags deserved it. I hereby award Joe Horn the medal of Urban Renewal. Case dismissed." |
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