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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:27:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/12/2017 10:09:25 PM EDT
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That sucks for them.
Stop-loss is government-approved indentured servitude. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 10:21:58 PM EDT
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Just wreck one of uncle sugars aircraft. You'll be out in record time.
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Posted: 4/12/2017 10:33:43 PM EDT
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Lots of ways to beat a stop loss
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Posted: 4/12/2017 10:36:37 PM EDT
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Lol. Idiots.
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Posted: 4/12/2017 10:42:59 PM EDT
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Fake news? From Gen Mike Holmes (of Air Combat Command fame):
"ACC Airmen: I'm sure you've seen recent media speculation about the potential of implementing stop-loss for some of our pilots. This is NOT on the table. Stop-loss is a tool used by the President and Secretary of Defense to cover emergency situations. We are not in that situation. We ARE pursuing a number of initiatives associated with increasing 11F production, absorption, and retention to address our current and pending shortfalls. There is no silver bullet that will solve this. A long-term solution will require a combination of all three approaches. We also ARE currently pursuing a number of options to address quality of service for our warfighters and encourage them to stay with us. That list will expand as we focus on improving squadron readiness and building and retaining operational leaders. But we're committed to going forward according to the principles of an all-volunteer force, which includes respecting our Airmen's decisions about their future. As members of the profession of arms, I welcome your ideas about improving our quality of service." Link to the good general's own Facebook page |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:17:36 AM EDT
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Seems to me to be a good way to stop people from ever signing up.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 4:37:59 PM EDT
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Seems to me to be a good way to stop people from ever signing up. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 5:02:40 PM EDT
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Maybe they should offer them leather jackets?
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Posted: 4/15/2017 5:28:33 PM EDT
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SCARF
SCARF stands for Status, Certainty, Autonomy, Relatedness and Fairness (social behavior model) Satisfy that in your workplace, and you will did never have a retention problem. or in other words: pay your people, empower them to be effective, get rid of the bad ones, etc. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:02:58 PM EDT
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Offer them cigarettes, saki, and wild women. Oh....and the opportunity to eliminate the opposition in a heterosexual kind of way. Bring back go-go dancers at the O-Club and napalm.
Twenty five cent shooters at the O-Club! Bring back hard light burners and state side supersonic low level routes. Outlaw political correctness among warriors. Mandatory wet t-shirts at the O-Club! 
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Posted: 4/15/2017 11:33:10 PM EDT
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The generals and decision makers are so clueless. 95% of the pilots I know of are counting down the days until eligible to separate.
Stop loss the pilots? Lol. I guess they can keep us in, but they sure as fuck can't force us to fly. |
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Posted: 4/16/2017 6:50:48 AM EDT
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Goldfein: Pilot Stop Loss Not Being Considered
Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein said Wednesday he is “not considering stop loss” as a means of retaining pilots in the service. LINK |
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Posted: 4/16/2017 7:27:35 AM EDT
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That'll kill whatever is left of morale.
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Posted: 4/16/2017 7:30:59 AM EDT
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We call it obliserve in the Navy. They did it to my wife and me (also any other IS in around the same time as we were). The quality of work they got out of any of us during those forced extensions was subpar at best.
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Posted: 4/16/2017 10:54:42 AM EDT
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20 years ago, I couldn't get a slot to save my life. Now, the irony is killing me.
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Posted: 4/16/2017 10:58:55 AM EDT
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Now youse can't leave.
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Posted: 4/16/2017 10:30:16 PM EDT
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20 years ago, I couldn't get a slot to save my life. Now, the irony is killing me. |
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Posted: 4/16/2017 10:42:09 PM EDT
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Just wreck one of uncle sugars aircraft. You'll be out in record time. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 8:47:54 PM EDT
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Up R-ATP hours for the .mil to full 1500.
Most .mil pilots don't have shit for flightime anymore. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 11:40:45 PM EDT
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Up R-ATP hours for the .mil to full 1500. Most .mil pilots don't have shit for flightime anymore. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 12:28:14 AM EDT
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Oh it's as competitive as its always been to become a pilot. It's just that after a decade of doing it for the AF, no one wants to stay in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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20 years ago, I couldn't get a slot to save my life. Now, the irony is killing me. We are, for the most part, sick of the queepy shit that doesn't relate to our job. Then overlooked for our efforts. Why not move to greener pastures where you get paid (well too!) to do what you've been trained to do? Can anyone blame us? |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 1:07:29 AM EDT
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Up R-ATP hours for the .mil to full 1500. Most .mil pilots don't have shit for flightime anymore. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 3:06:09 PM EDT
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Up R-ATP hours for the .mil to full 1500. Most .mil pilots don't have shit for flightime anymore. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 4:05:12 PM EDT
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Those that flew during GWOT have been rode hard and put away wet. We are, for the most part, sick of the queepy shit that doesn't relate to our job. Then overlooked for our efforts. Why not move to greener pastures where you get paid (well too!) to do what you've been trained to do? Can anyone blame us? Patriotism! Green Dot Training! |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 11:45:04 PM EDT
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Maybe some fighter guys, but even most of them will have pretty close to that and anyone who has flown heavies, helos, or trainers certainly will have more. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 1:32:04 AM EDT
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Helos aren't necessarily getting that much flight time. Apples and oranges |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 2:29:07 AM EDT
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Or they could just up their bonuses for aviators. It isn't rocket science, and most of these guys would probably prefer to hit 20 and snag their retirement.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 4:36:27 AM EDT
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Or they could just up their bonuses for aviators. It isn't rocket science, and most of these guys would probably prefer to hit 20 and snag their retirement. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 11:50:45 AM EDT
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Flight time...sure. Fixed wing time (which matters to the airlines)...NOPE. Apples and oranges |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 12:45:06 PM EDT
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Or they could just up their bonuses for aviators. It isn't rocket science, and most of these guys would probably prefer to hit 20 and snag their retirement. I'm proud of my time flying for the AF and thankful for the opportunities it's given me. I served my commitment and it was time to move on. No amount of money would have kept me on active duty. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 1:36:05 PM EDT
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Ive heard the hinting of Army bonuses for staying. We do not rate flight pay on the level of the other services. I have been flying now for 5 years, and my flight pay is like $205/month. Its about to go up to $650ish.
The bonus numbers we are hearing are 4 years/$75k or 6 years/$100k. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 8:53:38 PM EDT
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Helicopter dudes are being actively recruited now. IMO the problem we have we can't throw money at...from what I've seen and experienced it will take a lot more than money to keep some of the bros that are getting out. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 9:31:39 PM EDT
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Ive heard the hinting of Army bonuses for staying. We do not rate flight pay on the level of the other services. I have been flying now for 5 years, and my flight pay is like $205/month. Its about to go up to $650ish. The bonus numbers we are hearing are 4 years/$75k or 6 years/$100k. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 9:58:59 PM EDT
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Pretty sure that flight pay is exactly what AF pilots get |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 10:11:25 PM EDT
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Up R-ATP hours for the .mil to full 1500. Most .mil pilots don't have shit for flightime anymore. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 10:24:15 PM EDT
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Pretty sure that flight pay is exactly what AF pilots get |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 10:36:33 PM EDT
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Helicopter dudes are being actively recruited now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Flight time...sure. Fixed wing time (which matters to the airlines)...NOPE. Apples and oranges I stand corrected. After doing a little reading apparently Flight Time is Flight Time for the ATP. It is the individual airlines that determine how much Fixed Wing time they want. |
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Posted: 4/21/2017 1:20:44 AM EDT
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Pretty sure that flight pay is exactly what AF pilots get
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Posted: 4/21/2017 5:04:40 AM EDT
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Oh, nice. I stand corrected. We were under the impression yall made fuck ton |
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Posted: 4/21/2017 5:07:11 AM EDT
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After doing a little reading apparently Flight Time is Flight Time for the ATP. It is the individual airlines that determine how much Fixed Wing time they want. 
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Posted: 4/21/2017 10:28:49 AM EDT
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I'm in the $650 bracket. Its bullshit - apparently the flight pay hasn't been adjusted since like 1992. It was a lot more money 2 decades ago. |
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Posted: 4/21/2017 10:58:30 AM EDT
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I'm in the $650 bracket. Its bullshit - apparently the flight pay hasn't been adjusted since like 1992. It was a lot more money 2 decades ago. |
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Posted: 4/21/2017 8:33:21 PM EDT
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While you would think this would be the case, it doesn't reflect reality. The bonus is a non-factor for 95% of guys today, in my opinion. Sure, there are a few fence-sitters, but for the majority of the ones getting out, there isn't a dollar amount that would convince them to stay. And for the ones accepting the bonus, they most likely were going to stay to 20 years anyway, bonus or not. The problem is rooted in today's AF culture. And until leadership grasps how their actions are driving people away, money is not going to fix a thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Or they could just up their bonuses for aviators. It isn't rocket science, and most of these guys would probably prefer to hit 20 and snag their retirement. |
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