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Posted: 9/20/2009 5:07:33 PM EST
Fox News


By Kimberly Schwandt

FOXNews.com

Sunday, September 20, 2009

President Obama and ABC News' George Stephanopoulos got in a testy sparring match Sunday over whether the president's health care plan includes a tax increase, leading the host to look up the Merriam-Webster dictionary definition of taxes.

In the interview airing Sunday, Stephanopoulos pressed the president on his plan to require people to purchase health insurance.

"Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don't. How is that not a tax?" the host asked.

Obama responded: " No, but –– but, George, you –– you can't just make up that language and decide that that's called a tax increase."

Stephanopoulos then offered the dictionary definition.

"I don't think I'm making it up. Merriam-Webster's dictionary: 'Tax, a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes,'" he said.

Visibly taken aback, Obama rejected the notion it was a tax increase and said pulling the dictionary out was a sign the host was "stretching" a little.

"No. That –– that's not true, George. The –– for us to say that you've got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase," Obama said.

Here's the link.





Does this remind anyone of another President debating the definition of what "is" is.............he is clearly rattled here, and cannot rebut the logic.


Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:11:01 PM EST


Gettin beat up by the leftist news agencies. He's done, just a matter of time...
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:12:18 PM EST
But, but, but...

I've been told here repeatedly by the Obama suckers that there wouldn't be a tax increase!


You mean they lied?
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:12:26 PM EST
Holy shit, and Stephanopolous worked for Clinton for a while.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:12:48 PM EST
Well, at least they weren't arguing over the meanings of the words "sex" and "the".

Not yet, anyway.

The Kenyan is so desperate he has the Wookie out in bondage gear. Never has a president fallen so far, so fast.

Will it be public tears or a total breakdown by Christmas?

Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:13:30 PM EST
Miracles still happen! Figured old George S. would be one of his next Czars!
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:13:39 PM EST
You must be reaching at straws if you had to go to the dictionary to look up what "tax" means...
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:13:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By Rogue-Sasquatch:
Holy shit, and Stephanopolous worked for Clinton for a while.


what makes you think he still doesnt?
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:13:47 PM EST
It is a tax. PERIOD
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:15:01 PM EST
Yeah, that's what I thought, too. Except I'd bet that Stephanopolous is trying to make the point that the administration should not avoid the word "tax" in selling the health care package (ie. that dancing around the word will derail the debate). Interesting anyway..................
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:15:39 PM EST
i pray that 52% of this country is finally starting to wake up. i hope this clown continues his downward spiral and takes all his cronies with him...just like a turd circling the bowl.

-matt
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:15:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By alphabavo:


Gettin beat up by the leftist news agencies. He's done, just a matter of time...


The press will tear anybody down if they smell blood.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:18:52 PM EST


holy shit




stephanopoulos pulled out a dictionary and obama says he's "stretching" it a little?



Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:19:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lawyerman:
You must be reaching at straws if you had to go to the dictionary to look up what "tax" means...

Well, he had to show Obama what tax actually means, and to make sure he used a dictionary.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:21:06 PM EST
If that left wingnut George holds the kenyan's feet to the fire, that's worth noting. And yeah, "it depends on what the definition of is is or tax is." ha

As I type this Mark Levin is reminding the listener's that the kenyan is a radical Marxist.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:21:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By Lexington:
Originally Posted By alphabavo:


Gettin beat up by the leftist news agencies. He's done, just a matter of time...


The press will tear anybody down if they smell blood.


I certainly agree with your point but they (the press) has by in large been very kind to Obama. Hell, most of them worship him.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:24:22 PM EST
"George, you're stretching a little here. It's not a tax increase, we're simply forcing all Americans spend their money on health insurance. How can you call the government forcing people to spend their money on something they don't really want a tax? It's a bit a stretch."
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:24:58 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:24:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Well, at least they weren't arguing over the meanings of the words "sex" and "the".

Not yet, anyway.

The Kenyan is so desperate he has the Wookie out in bondage gear. Never has a president fallen so far, so fast.

Will it be public tears or a total breakdown by Christmas?


He's the perfect example of the bigger they are, the harder they fall, something I forgot about when he got in. I'm still shocked the left went after him.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:26:19 PM EST
Well, I have to give him credit for being able to twist words around in hopes of shutting down criticism.
Insinuating that the only reason Stephanopolous looked up "tax" in the dictionary was because he wasn't sure what it meant was priceless...
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:27:40 PM EST
Originally Posted By twistedcomrade:
Originally Posted By Lexington:
Originally Posted By alphabavo:


Gettin beat up by the leftist news agencies. He's done, just a matter of time...


The press will tear anybody down if they smell blood.


I certainly agree with your point but they (the press) has by in large been very kind to Obama. Hell, most of them worship him.


And why wouldn't they? After all..............

Newsweek editor-at-large Evan Thomas appeared on this weekend's edition of Inside Washington and lauded President Obama as a "brave," "great teacher" who "stands above everybody." These comments were only slightly less hyperbolic than a gushing assertion on Friday's Hardball. On that program, the journalist cooed, "I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God."
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:34:39 PM EST
Wow I just watched it and my head nearly exploded from the hypocrisy.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:36:57 PM EST
Is it me or did that looked rehearsed?
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:38:49 PM EST
HillDog may have *plans* for the Kenyan.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:38:55 PM EST
So is ABC news now on the boycott list for this President???
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:39:22 PM EST
No one forces you to buy a car.... whereas Obama's "plan" (itself a stupid concept since the Executive branch doesn't write legislation) would have everyone buy or pay for insurance no matter what....

All his analogies have been breathtakingly weak and flimsy...it's almost as if the One is so arrogant and so un-tested that he really thinks he's being clever or super brilliant when in fact he's broadcasting his abysmal ignorance. But then, he's a liberal, so of course he's both arrogant AND STUPID. He's the only source for the rumor of "brilliance" - his grades are sealed so no one knows, but if words and deeds are signs of innate intelligence, he's shown in lots of unscripted moments to not really have such a command of 'the facts' as his handlers would make us believe.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:40:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By P95Shooter:
Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Well, at least they weren't arguing over the meanings of the words "sex" and "the".

Not yet, anyway.

The Kenyan is so desperate he has the Wookie out in bondage gear. Never has a president fallen so far, so fast.

Will it be public tears or a total breakdown by Christmas?


He's the perfect example of the bigger they are, the harder they fall, something I forgot about when he got in. I'm still shocked the left went after him.


The Left is not getting their payback. Healthcare "reform" is DOA. Acorn is disgraced and defunded. The commies in the administration are slowly being flushed out.

The lefties will be eating the Kenyan alive, very soon.

Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:41:09 PM EST

The PRESS will be distancing themselves from Obama in the coming
year...

AC
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:41:11 PM EST
I imagine DMV laws vary state to state but the auto insurance argument is not applicable.

you are only required to have auto insurance if you drive a motor vehicle.

and in Cali. for instance. you can post a 35k bond & not carry typical insurance.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:42:28 PM EST
THAT was funny.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:43:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By Slave1:
"George, you're stretching a little here. It's not a tax increase, we're simply forcing all Americans spend their money on health insurance. How can you call the government forcing people to spend their money on something they don't really want a tax? It's a bit a stretch."


That is EXACTLY what he's saying.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:43:34 PM EST
He admitted to campaigning, completely avoided the question with politician labyrinthine-doublespeak, became visibly impatient and angry simply because Stephanopolous disagreed with him, and then attempted to derail the criticism by suggesting Stephanopolous did not know the meaning of the word "tax."

I really wish Obama would invite me to have a "civil discussion and debate" because I'd destroy him in a debate. The man is a moron and it is painfully obvious.

On a side note, I am really tired of the president of my country behaving in such a slovenly manner. The POTUS does not conduct informal interviews like a Hollywood actor. The POTUS does not say, "gonna," "you got to," or "should've." There is such a thing as class. Perhaps "class" should be the next word looked up in the dictionary and read to Obama.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:44:18 PM EST
It's interesting that he says "we should'nt have to carry your burdens for you". Uh what just happened with the auto industry.....
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:44:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By luckypunk:
I imagine DMV laws vary state to state but the auto insurance argument is not applicable.

you are only required to have auto insurance if you drive a motor vehicle.

and in Cali. for instance. you can post a 35k bond & not carry typical insurance.


So... what? Under the plan Obama is pressing for we are only required to have health insurance when? If we are alive?

I agree, not applicable at all.

Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:45:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By twistedcomrade:
Originally Posted By Lexington:
Originally Posted By alphabavo:


Gettin beat up by the leftist news agencies. He's done, just a matter of time...


The press will tear anybody down if they smell blood.


I certainly agree with your point but they (the press) has by in large been very kind to Obama. Hell, most of them worship him.


Sure, but the honeymoon is way over for The Kenyan and his torment is just beginning. The press supported Clinton, too, but ate him up after the Lewinsky affair.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:45:38 PM EST
Where was the teleprompter for all this
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:49:53 PM EST
President Obama is correct. This is not a tax. It is extortion. It is theft at the point of a gun.

ex⋅tor⋅tion
  /ɪkˈstɔrʃən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ik-stawr-shuhn] Show IPA

–noun
1. an act or instance of extorting.
2. Law. the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one's office or authority.
3. oppressive or illegal exaction, as of excessive price or interest: the extortions of usurers.
4. anything extorted.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:50:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By otar:
Is it me or did that looked rehearsed?


Stephanopolous almost certainly anticipated that Obama would dance around the issue, and thus had a dictionary quote ready.

The Weasel is one of Clinton's whores - He doesn't have any reservations about skewering Obama.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:50:36 PM EST
i've bitched about government so long, and been dismissed as tinfoil, that i just give up. but nowadays, with obama, the mainstream of ourside is espousing "truth" and its no longer tinfoil....

i just cant help but say hey fuck you, you were warned of this agenda decades ago, you dismissed me then, so i dont give a shit now.

for example, a lot of glen becks recent popularity surge....he's saying only the financial things that ron paul has said forever...yet now its gospel and not tinfoil.

i just cant get excited anymore.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:50:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Originally Posted By P95Shooter:
Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Well, at least they weren't arguing over the meanings of the words "sex" and "the".

Not yet, anyway.

The Kenyan is so desperate he has the Wookie out in bondage gear. Never has a president fallen so far, so fast.

Will it be public tears or a total breakdown by Christmas?


He's the perfect example of the bigger they are, the harder they fall, something I forgot about when he got in. I'm still shocked the left went after him.


The Left is not getting their payback. Healthcare "reform" is DOA. Acorn is disgraced and defunded. The commies in the administration are slowly being flushed out.

The lefties will be eating the Kenyan alive, very soon.

In this case I support cannibalism.

Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:53:34 PM EST
Great Acting by Both of them...

Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:53:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By n3awalk3r:
Originally Posted By Slave1:
"George, you're stretching a little here. It's not a tax increase, we're simply forcing all Americans spend their money on health insurance. How can you call the government forcing people to spend their money on something they don't really want a tax? It's a bit a stretch."


That is EXACTLY what he's saying.


Think sarcasm. Obama is lying again.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:55:04 PM EST
I'm still waiting for my tax break, remember 90% of us were supposed to get a tax break?
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:55:08 PM EST
Originally Posted By rollin_hot:
It's interesting that he says "we should'nt have to carry your burdens for you". Uh what just happened with the auto industry.....


It makes my blood boil when he invokes personal responsibility to sell his socialism. How is forcing me to pay for someone else's medical care anything but forcing me to "carry your burdens for you"?
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:57:29 PM EST


It's not a tax because Obama's not calling it a tax.


He doesn't lie.


Only Republicans and right-wing talkshow hosts lie.



Now can we get back to talking about Joe Wilson and how we need to "return to civility"!??


Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:59:10 PM EST
To mandate that people pay for government "health insurance" and fine them if they do not comply is to say that the individual is the property of the state. I thought we did away with slavery and indentured servitude!
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:59:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2009 6:24:24 PM EST by JIMBEAM]
I can't wait for those twentysomethings that supported Obama yo find out they will be required to get insurance or be fined.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 6:01:09 PM EST
Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Well, at least they weren't arguing over the meanings of the words "sex" and "the".

Not yet, anyway.

The Kenyan is so desperate he has the Wookie out in bondage gear. Never has a president fallen so far, so fast.

Will it be public tears or a total breakdown by Christmas?





you know i was thinking that the other day

did president bush ever send out laura to push for something on his agenda?


Link Posted: 9/20/2009 6:05:22 PM EST
Between the doctors that will quit and the people that will not conform to this shit by not paying for this manditory health care, I see this all going badly for our chosen one.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 6:06:37 PM EST
Originally Posted By JIMBEAM:
I can't wait for those twentysomethings that supported Obama find out they will be required to get insurance or be fined.


A lot of 'em won't notice, right up until the point where they actually have to pay it. By then, Obama will be long gone.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 6:06:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2009 6:27:43 PM EST by john575]
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