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Posted: 5/21/2001 9:37:56 AM EDT
What would it take to form an 'official' State Militia? If the federal government wanted to ban private gun ownership, could individual states form an [i]official[/i] state milita? Such a militia functioning as aid during natural disasters and and serving as a defense force, such as Switzerland's militia, that would only serve a defensive purpose of the state? Has it ever been considered or is that out of the questions (have I allready been put on the CIA's to do list?)?
Link Posted: 5/21/2001 9:39:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/21/2001 9:40:47 AM EDT by Halfcocked]
Capro, Capro, Capro...you've fallen into a trap. Reread the Second. You are the militia and you don't need to belong to any stinking State sponsored group. You are necessary to keep that State free.
Link Posted: 5/21/2001 10:01:51 AM EDT
I understand that, but if state recognition occurs, then we would be something other than "civilians". And not be subject to those restrictions. Now imagine if the state allowed anyone to join this "militant wing of the state patrol." In effect, the state would allow anyone within the state to freely keep and bear arms, because members would be considered non-civilian. Now I'd prefer the state not to be have to control "membership" of the state militia, and I wish the only requirement was to live in the state and own a gun, but obviously that isn't good enough for some people. So wouldn't official recognition by the state, consideration of all gun owners as state militia turn the militia into non-civilians, and therefore not subject to civilian gun control. I'm just thinking this would be a way for some states who will object to future federal gun control laws to work around them.
Link Posted: 5/21/2001 11:01:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Capro: What would it take to form an 'official' State Militia? Has it ever been considered or is that out of the questions (have I allready been put on the CIA's to do list?)?
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The kalidiots did this back a couple decades ago when the state legislature created the civilian "State Defense Force" (SDF). It was soon discovered that the many joining had extensive criminal and white supremacist backgrounds. I am not sure of the status of the organization now. State Defense Forces - authorized militia By Harry V. Martin and David Caul Copyright FreeAmerica and Harry V. Martin, 1995 [url]www.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon3.html[/url]
Link Posted: 5/21/2001 12:10:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/21/2001 12:35:40 PM EDT
Rhode Island sounds like a cool place to live, there or Vermont.
Link Posted: 5/21/2001 12:41:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/21/2001 1:32:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/21/2001 1:31:50 PM EDT by Greg3]
Originally Posted By raf: state law prohibits MG's
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[B]That is a crying shame. There is a violation of your 2nd.!
MG's prob a lost cause, but IMHO not ESSENTIAL.
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[B]sorry you feel that way, MG's ARE essential. If the military has them, then we should by GOD have them!
Link Posted: 5/21/2001 1:46:46 PM EDT
Halfcocked is right. The Constitution set up NO federal or state "militia". Governmentally controlled forces have always been regular army until the adoption of the the National Guard in 1909(?). Until the National Guard, there were no state sponsored forces. The militia spoken of in the Constitution has never been nor ever will be comprised of anything more than the citizen. If you are worried about the future of your right to bear arms, you should be seriously thinking about joining a militia, and I'm not talking about the National Guard. The very source of control of the Guard is the same government that seeks to disarm you. Logically, I would think you would want to distance yourself from that sort of thing, unless you plan to use your membership in that unit to the [i]real[/i] militia's advantage. SOL
Link Posted: 5/21/2001 2:03:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/21/2001 2:38:34 PM EDT
Many States have State Guard units. The most famous being the Missouri State Guard, which has existed since before the civil War. Most of these units fought with General Sterling Price. Wouldn't a great time for a takeover of our united States be while the NG was deployed elsewhere?
Link Posted: 5/21/2001 2:40:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/21/2001 2:39:22 PM EDT by Sancho Panza]
BTW, generally in Southern States, the unorganized state militia by law consists of all men 16-50 capable of bearing arms.
Link Posted: 5/21/2001 2:42:28 PM EDT
South Carolina has a State Guard, and it has been in existence for about 15 years. There is considerable influence behind it. Some of the leaders were ex-Adjuntent(sp?)Generals of SC. Prior military experience is an instant qualification for admission. Not sure how non-military personnel qualify.
Link Posted: 5/21/2001 2:45:37 PM EDT
So what states have an official state militia?
Link Posted: 5/21/2001 3:16:13 PM EDT
So what happens if your over 50? Are you then not allowed to belong? or Is it optional at your descretion? Do you then give up your 2nd rights?
Link Posted: 5/21/2001 8:50:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/22/2001 12:44:51 PM EDT
You can still be over 50, and belong to the organized militia. In Mississippi there are 3 classes: Organized: Army & Air National Guards (some states have a small Naval Nat'l Guard) State Guard (no age or ability restrictions) Unorganized: All men 16-50 capable of bearing arms. Unless they are in one of the above, or in the various US Armed Forces (Active or Reserve)
Link Posted: 5/22/2001 6:08:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/22/2001 6:08:27 PM EDT by Grenadier2]
Garand Shooter posted:
NC has an organised state militia, they are small but do exist.
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Unfortunately, the NC State Defence Militia (NCSDM) was forced to become inactive back in 1996(1997??)...Our beloved former Governor Hunt and his idiot in charge of the Dept of Crime Control decided they didnt like all of these volunteers helping the state for free. Most of us were apparently Republicans or Libertarians or something....[:p] The NCSDM exists only on paper, and individual units may not muster...most of its former members have joined the United States Service Command. I have mixed feelings about any organization that cooperates so close with FEMA. BTW, I am given to understand that much the same thing happened in Virginia with their State Defence Force. *sigh* G2
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