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Posted: 10/3/2022 4:12:33 PM EST
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"Doing something constructive at once is better than figuring out the best thing to do hours later."
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Posted: 10/3/2022 4:50:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By green_bullet: I find this goes with Ayne Rand's objectivism philosophy. Which, is all about only laboring/working/paying for society because you want to, not because others force you, can co-exist in a world where service is incentivized and properly rewarded in the ST universe of having people need skin in the game for themselves to benefit Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By green_bullet: Originally Posted By mcculver5: How is this even possible? I think the movie is OK and unintentionally made being an assault trooper seem awesome. Also, the cities were clean and the kids were all pretty safe and care-free strolling around any time of the day or night. That is, no worries about crime. Not what I think the filmmaker should have done if he wanted to tell the story of "Muh Nazis." Though they meant to criticize the concept of "Service equals Citizenship" it ended up looking like a pretty smart way to run a republic by the end of the movie; almost as though Heinlein's storytelling and world-building could not be suppressed and shone through the attempt by the filmmaker to mock Heinlein's world and worldview. But, no jump troopers, no mech armor, forced romance (not that I advocate going deep on Heinlein's views on romance), and an over-all silly take on and interesting and fairly sophisticated sci-fi book. The book is an ode to DIs everywhere and the brotherhood between those who served. Well written with a story arc and a fully formed world complete with a unique and interesting political theory. It's a complete book written by a master storyteller. Unlike many of Heinlein's later works it was pithy and circumspect. The big idea of the book is that people should have a stake in their government (skin in the game) and that choosing to serve others (or something bigger than the self) changes one's perspective on life and personal accountability. This was done by way of a love-letter to all of those tough non-coms who make men from boys. Great book. Meh movie. I find this goes with Ayne Rand's objectivism philosophy. Which, is all about only laboring/working/paying for society because you want to, not because others force you, can co-exist in a world where service is incentivized and properly rewarded in the ST universe of having people need skin in the game for themselves to benefit Sort of? I appreciate Rand's point of view, but I think Heinlein does a better job thinking through the conclusions. Also, there's way more government in Heinlein's world than Ms. Rand would tolerate: even if service means citizenship. To me Heinlein is the superior story teller, and possibly the more realistic thinker. Both libertarian (though Heinlein may have just been a libertine).  |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 2:02:14 AM EST
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The book is awesome
The movie is awesome in the opposite direction, maybe even more so than the book. Like crayon smoothie good. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 11/28/2022 2:32:58 AM EST
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There will never be a better Starship Troopers than the current Starship Troopers movie.
The only good bug is a dead bug. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 5:30:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcculver5:
Click To View Spoiler Totally missed that. Where is that in the book? I mean, I could Google it, but this bumps the thread.  He mentions speaking Tagalog in the book, which is the native language of the PI. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 5:38:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman: I'd nominate Jon Favreau, personally. Practically anything would be better than the dumpster fire that was the first one.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman: Originally Posted By 18B30: Micheal Bay, Mike Mann, or James Cameron. I'd nominate Jon Favreau, personally. Practically anything would be better than the dumpster fire that was the first one. Dennis Villenueve. The only thing the 1st movie had going for it was the persistent tongue-in-cheek social commentary jabs, even if subversively intended, which seem to be staples in Verhoeven films. It's good for some chuckles, is all. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 8:09:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankSymptoms: "Don't let the door hitcha..." Seriously, you liked the MOVIE better? The book was far more cerebral. I describe it as a civics lesson disguised as a pretty good action novel. True, the language and many concepts are very dated (it was published in 1959), but the core truths are irrefutable. And of all the books he wrote, ST was responsible for the bulk of mail he received. Read the book 9 or 10 times. Been a few years so it's about time for a repeat. The movie? I know I watched the whole thing once. Caught parts here and there later. Never really got the urge to sit down and work thru the whole thing again. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 12:09:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By armoredman: @mcculver5 He mentions speaking Tagalog in the book, which is the native language of the PI. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By armoredman: Originally Posted By mcculver5: Click To View Spoiler Totally missed that. Where is that in the book? I mean, I could Google it, but this bumps the thread. @mcculver5 He mentions speaking Tagalog in the book, which is the native language of the PI. I caught it this time around when I listened to the audiobook. Touching detail. Heinlein built great characters and worlds. |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 12:55:28 PM EST
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 Starship Troopers: Extermination - Announcement Teaser |
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Posted: 12/16/2022 12:31:25 AM EST
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Has John Milius done anything since he had the stroke? I watched a documentary awhile back which was made right after his stroke. He could not express himself the same way with regards to story telling or pitching ideas. He could barely speak and couldn't move.
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Posted: 12/16/2022 12:53:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChickenDaddy: I like it the way it is, one of my favorite sci fi movies of all time. Better than the book.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 12:26:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tranquility: I get it. I know the book wasn't really about bugs or armor or spaceships, but I know myself and other readers would have appreciated it. I was almost at the edge of my seat with all the buildup and when they started calling "Frying bacon!" but then it became rather anticlimactic. Right when it kicks off the narrator gets knocked unconscious. Maybe more action would have taken away from the core message or maybe the book just wasn't what I was expecting, I don't know. Your post made me realize that William Gibson must have based every book on this plot device - build up, skip the climax, go straight to the epilogue. I read it as a kid, teenager really, after seeing a list of books about powered armor. It really wasn’t about that at all. I didn’t get it then. When I read it a few years later, I started to understand. |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 1:05:20 PM EST
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Antoine Fuqua
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Posted: 1/23/2023 5:29:37 PM EST
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So far the best adaptation I've seen of science/fantasy book to film has been "Lord of the Rings" and "The Hunger Games."
"The Hunger Games" I think adapted so well and faithfully from the books to screen, because the author of the series was an executive producer with actual authority over the scripts. I think Peter Jackson did an excellent job with "Lord of the Rings" and adapted it really well to screen. I can't really think of any other adaptations that have been done well. These days most script writers and producers just grab the chance to use an existing IP to push out their own story with the hubris that somehow they'll top it. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 6:04:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: So far the best adaptation I've seen of science/fantasy book to film has been "Lord of the Rings" and "The Hunger Games." "The Hunger Games" I think adapted so well and faithfully from the books to screen, because the author of the series was an executive producer with actual authority over the scripts. I think Peter Jackson did an excellent job with "Lord of the Rings" and adapted it really well to screen. I can't really think of any other adaptations that have been done well. These days most script writers and producers just grab the chance to use an existing IP to push out their own story with the hubris that somehow they'll top it. I think "Lonesome Dove" was a very good adaptation. It's probably the most accurate representation of life at that time, too. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 6:44:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankSymptoms: I think "Lonesome Dove" was a very good adaptation. It's probably the most accurate representation of life at that time, too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankSymptoms: Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: So far the best adaptation I've seen of science/fantasy book to film has been "Lord of the Rings" and "The Hunger Games." "The Hunger Games" I think adapted so well and faithfully from the books to screen, because the author of the series was an executive producer with actual authority over the scripts. I think Peter Jackson did an excellent job with "Lord of the Rings" and adapted it really well to screen. I can't really think of any other adaptations that have been done well. These days most script writers and producers just grab the chance to use an existing IP to push out their own story with the hubris that somehow they'll top it. I think "Lonesome Dove" was a very good adaptation. It's probably the most accurate representation of life at that time, too. The mini series format seems to allow better adaptation in general. Unless the book is a very short, the standard movie run time just forces too many compromises in story-telling. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:22:26 PM EST
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"Fight Club" is the best movie adaptation of a novel that I have seen.
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Posted: 2/9/2023 2:15:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wingnutx: "Fight Club" is the best movie adaptation of a novel that I have seen. Yeah, I'm talking science fiction/fantasy though. Although "Fight Club" is fiction I wouldn't put it in the sci/fi realm. I think a lot of adaptations for sci/fi are done by folks who assume that just because the majority of fan are white men that it somehow needs changed greatly when adapted to attract women and people of color. I think that's idiotic, because film is a different medium and it's going to attract folks who wouldn't spend their time reading about the stories, but will absolutely be drawn to the films or television series. I think Warhammer is going to be an excellent example. If Henry sticks to the books faithfully and they don't seek to "add" or modify anything than I think we'll suddenly see a lot of people who would have never sat down to read a Warhammer novel or play the table top game become added fans. |
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Posted: 2/9/2023 2:16:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moondog: Has John Milius done anything since he had the stroke? I watched a documentary awhile back which was made right after his stroke. He could not express himself the same way with regards to story telling or pitching ideas. He could barely speak and couldn't move. Sadly, no. I don't believe he's in very good health. John would have been one of the few who could do a Starship Troopers movie or series justice, but I don't know how big of a science fiction fan John is and whether he'd be interested in it. |
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Posted: 2/9/2023 2:57:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: TxRabbitBane]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uglygun: Would kinda like to see what Quentin Tarrentino could do with it. Same for StarWars. Something where a very interesting 15 minute conversation takes place that cuts to the basic psychology or philosophical differences between foes. Something different and something where proper mature attention is given to making interesting characters. Something other than half assed "hahaha lets spoof nazis" or "the force is female" that was the intent with the creative forces in the original Starship Troopers or StarWars. Tarantino? He has a very limited scope with his schtick. Gross. Feet close-ups? I’m going to go with (1) Kathryn Bigelow (2) Zack Snyder |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 1:07:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: KaerMorhenResident]
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I actually think Jon Favreau is a damn good director/executive producer. Look what he's done with "The Mandalorian" and frankly it was Jon who started the Marvel movies with "Ironman." Why Hollywood doesn't give Jon more control and project is beyond me, the guy clearly knows what audiences want.
Love to see what Jon could do with a Starship Troopers movie. |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 1:11:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman: I'd nominate Jon Favreau, personally. Practically anything would be better than the dumpster fire that was the first one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman: Originally Posted By 18B30: Micheal Bay, Mike Mann, or James Cameron. I'd nominate Jon Favreau, personally. Practically anything would be better than the dumpster fire that was the first one. He’d find a way to shoehorn Ahsoka in there, which would be acceptable now that I think about it.
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Posted: 2/17/2023 4:28:51 PM EST
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Joss Whedon & Tim Minear could do a good job of it.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 3/20/2023 12:40:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: KaerMorhenResident]
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Rico will be a Black Latino who is in a lesbian romantic relationship with a Chinese woman.
Carl will be recast as a black homosexual man. Ace will stay a white guy, because he's inept at being a leader. Sergeant Brown will be a white obese woman. It will be revealed that the real villain behind the conflict is an evil elderly bald wealthy white male. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 12:42:21 PM EST
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Posted: 3/20/2023 3:54:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dbnd: You’re never going to get a good adaptation of that book unless Hollywood is razed to the ground. I accept your conditions sir, shall we begin? |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 12:48:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: Dennis Villenueve. The only thing the 1st movie had going for it was the persistent tongue-in-cheek social commentary jabs, even if subversively intended, which seem to be staples in Verhoeven films. It's good for some chuckles, is all. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: Originally Posted By ziarifleman: Originally Posted By 18B30: Micheal Bay, Mike Mann, or James Cameron. I'd nominate Jon Favreau, personally. Practically anything would be better than the dumpster fire that was the first one. Dennis Villenueve. The only thing the 1st movie had going for it was the persistent tongue-in-cheek social commentary jabs, even if subversively intended, which seem to be staples in Verhoeven films. It's good for some chuckles, is all. I'd buy THAT for a dollar! |
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Posted: 3/21/2023 2:26:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChickenDaddy: I like it the way it is, one of my favorite sci fi movies of all time. Better than the book. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChickenDaddy: I like it the way it is, one of my favorite sci fi movies of all time. Better than the book. Originally Posted By sasquatch76: Yep. I found the book dry and boring and I love to read. Saw the movie in the theater when it was released. Guns, aliens, blood, violence, and tits. I've read and enjoyed Heinlein since I was young (which was a loooong time ago )Starship Troopers was shallow and booooring. Just like 'Atlas Shrugged.' Not one of his better efforts. For that, read, 'The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress,' 'Puppet Masters,' and especially 'Stranger In A Strange Land.' I know......."OK Boomer." 
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Posted: 3/21/2023 3:30:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: FrankSymptoms]
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I wish they'd made "Glory Road" before Hollywood went woke. Swords, sorcery and sci-fi!
And sex! And I STILL wanna be Rufo! |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 2:05:39 PM EST
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I would love to see it as a series, but there isn't any streaming service I would trust not to go full woke and destroy it.
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Posted: 4/7/2023 12:52:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: KaerMorhenResident]
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The Daily Wire is trying to do conservative entertainment and man I would love to see Ben somehow get his hands on the rights to Starship Troopers, but my guess is that Sony still has the rights to any film or series production.
Sony as still primarily a Japanese company isn't ridiculously super woke though, so it could be worse. I mean if Disney had the rights, God help us. |
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Posted: 4/8/2023 8:06:38 PM EST
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I have a lot of nostalgia for starship troopers.
First titties I got to see in a movie honestly. Always thought Dina Meyer was pretty damn hot. |
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Posted: 6/29/2023 8:35:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rcav8r: Someone who actually read the book, unlike the last guy. To be fair, he tried to read it. Having grown up in Nazi occupied Norway, I can understand why he hated the book and wanted to make fun of it n his movie. |
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Posted: 6/29/2023 8:39:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxLewis: Just saw this thread. Watching the original right now. The great tits of Dizzy just got sent to space. Dizz didn't even have the best tits in that scene. Would still sniff, though. |
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Posted: 6/29/2023 8:51:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaos_engage: James Cameron or Ridley Scott Cameron lost his mojo long ago. Aliens, Abyss, and T2 were his peak. |
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