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Posted: 10/17/2020 6:13:19 PM EST
[#1]
Just saw this thread.
Watching the original right now. The great tits of Dizzy just got sent to space. |
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Posted: 10/17/2020 9:58:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: Dbnd]
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankSymptoms: Was it any good? It’s okay, but flawed as an adaptation. The studio behind it also made Gundam and don’t actively hate the source material. So you get good animation and the powered armor, but they cut out the politics to tell a predictable story and made changes to characters and enemies. |
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Posted: 10/17/2020 10:03:37 PM EST
[#3]
So ARF should crowdfund a remake?
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Posted: 10/17/2020 11:15:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: ziarifleman]
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankSymptoms: Was it any good? It’s pretty decent. As was said, there’s no History and Moral Philosophy, which is the entire point of the book. |
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Posted: 10/17/2020 11:28:38 PM EST
[#5]
J.j. abrams.
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Posted: 10/17/2020 11:30:09 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChickenDaddy: I like it the way it is, one of my favorite sci fi movies of all time. Better than the book.  
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Posted: 10/18/2020 1:34:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rcav8r: So ARF should crowdfund a remake? Hmmmm..... |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 5:47:23 AM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankSymptoms: Hmmmm..... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankSymptoms: Hmmmm..... Hmmmm....indeed. Maybe not a full length feature, but I could see this Originally Posted By Desert_AIP: I'd love a short story of just the initial planet assault done with high end special effects. |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 10:11:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moose: Hmmmm....indeed. Maybe not a full length feature, but I could see this Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moose: Originally Posted By FrankSymptoms: Hmmmm..... Hmmmm....indeed. Maybe not a full length feature, but I could see this Originally Posted By Desert_AIP: I'd love a short story of just the initial planet assault done with high end special effects. Two Movies. First movie is bootcamp and skinny assault with the bug attack at the very end. Second movie is the bug war. |
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Posted: 10/19/2020 10:17:17 AM EST
[#10]
Originally Posted By FrankSymptoms: Who could do a really good job of making this movie the way it should be made? John Milius. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 11:00:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Desert_AIP: Paul Verhoven stated he intentionally trashed it to delegitimize the source material. ...while unintentionally making a line like "Service Brings Citizenship!" ring out over the horizon. He might have tried to trash the source material, but if he was trying to make fun of nationalism, he failed utterly. He made it look like a good idea. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 8:09:19 PM EST
[#12]
Been a while since I read it but I think a faithful adaptation may be a little boring.
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Posted: 12/12/2021 8:11:44 PM EST
[#13]
Doug Liman gets no love here?
How about Dennis Villenueve? |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 8:13:40 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tarheel7734: J.j. abrams. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 8:15:03 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChickenDaddy: I like it the way it is, one of my favorite sci fi movies of all time. Better than the book. This post is the single most reason to ban someone ever. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:02:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: Tranquility]
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mattcz: This post is the single most reason to ban someone ever. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mattcz: Originally Posted By ChickenDaddy: I like it the way it is, one of my favorite sci fi movies of all time. Better than the book. This post is the single most reason to ban someone ever. Okay let's not be too drastic here. I sat through hours of philosophy, and don't get me wrong it was interesting and well written, expecting to finally hear some details about how they tore these bugs apart. It never really comes and it is a little disappointing. It wouldn't have been that hard for Heinlein to include it. I'm not really a writer and even I tried writing a few paragraphs of trooper versus bug combat out of frustration.  I wonder where a person could try publishing something like that as a short story or something.
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:10:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Roddy556: Okay let's not be too drastic here. I sat through hours of philosophy, and don't get me wrong it was interesting and well written, expecting to finally hear some details about how they tore these bugs apart. It never really comes and it is a little disappointing. It wouldn't have been that hard for Heinlein to include it. I'm not really a writer and even I tried writing a few paragraphs of trooper versus bug combat out of frustration. I wonder where a person could try publishing something like that as a short story or something.At the end of the book, they hadn't won the war against the bugs, but they'd turned the corner: the Battle of Klendathu was their Midway. Ships were being built, personnel being trained, the planet had been mobilized and morale was building. He very well could have continued with the action scenes of the book, but he'd said what he wanted to say regarding social and political norms. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:36:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: Tranquility]
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankSymptoms: At the end of the book, they hadn't won the war against the bugs, but they'd turned the corner: the Battle of Klendathu was their Midway. Ships were being built, personnel being trained, the planet had been mobilized and morale was building. He very well could have continued with the action scenes of the book, but he'd said what he wanted to say regarding social and political norms. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankSymptoms: Originally Posted By Roddy556: Okay let's not be too drastic here. I sat through hours of philosophy, and don't get me wrong it was interesting and well written, expecting to finally hear some details about how they tore these bugs apart. It never really comes and it is a little disappointing. It wouldn't have been that hard for Heinlein to include it. I'm not really a writer and even I tried writing a few paragraphs of trooper versus bug combat out of frustration. I wonder where a person could try publishing something like that as a short story or something.At the end of the book, they hadn't won the war against the bugs, but they'd turned the corner: the Battle of Klendathu was their Midway. Ships were being built, personnel being trained, the planet had been mobilized and morale was building. He very well could have continued with the action scenes of the book, but he'd said what he wanted to say regarding social and political norms. I get it. I know the book wasn't really about bugs or armor or spaceships, but I know myself and other readers would have appreciated it. I was almost at the edge of my seat with all the buildup and when they started calling "Frying bacon!" but then it became rather anticlimactic. Right when it kicks off the narrator gets knocked unconscious. Maybe more action would have taken away from the core message or maybe the book just wasn't what I was expecting, I don't know. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 3:14:01 PM EST
[#19]
OOOOO back from the dead.
I would nominate Michael Bay as the director of the two-part Starship Troopers remake. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 3:18:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcculver5: OOOOO back from the dead. I would nominate Michael Bay as the director of the two-part Starship Troopers remake. I feel weird reviving threads in GD but in a subforum it seems more acceptable.
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Posted: 1/7/2022 4:39:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Roddy556: I feel weird reviving threads in GD but in a subforum it seems more acceptable. As long as it isn't a dead hooker in your trunk... |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 4:46:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChickenDaddy: I like it the way it is, one of my favorite sci fi movies of all time. Better than the book. Yep. I found the book dry and boring and I love to read. Saw the movie in the theater when it was released. Guns, aliens, blood, violence, and tits. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 4:52:00 PM EST
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I clicked on the thread all excited…..damn you OP! Disappointed, i thought it was happening.
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Posted: 1/11/2022 11:25:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: Riter]
[#24]
Listening to the audio book now. I stopped reading SciFi four decades ago but I need a break from WW2.
If the movie is made, they could use CGI for jump suits. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 12:33:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: ramairthree]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mattcz: This post is the single most reason to ban someone ever. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mattcz: Originally Posted By ChickenDaddy: I like it the way it is, one of my favorite sci fi movies of all time. Better than the book. This post is the single most reason to ban someone ever. In his defense, in and of itself, the movie -despite when it was made- is classic awesome Paul Verhoeven like Flesh and Blood, Robocop, and Total Recall. It’s an awesome movie. It’s just, well, it’s just not really Starship Troopers. If it had been about space marines training in the Aliens universe or an underground resistance fighter training group in the terminator universe or guys training to fight off a Predator invasion or rebels trying to fight the empire it similarly would have been a great movie but just not right for the world it takes place in or an appropriate adaption. Edit- I forgot to add my greatest disappointment was the lack of powered armor |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 12:42:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcculver5: OOOOO back from the dead. I would nominate Michael Bay as the director of the two-part Starship Troopers remake. Mini-series woulld be better. More time for a huge book. I wonder why it wasn't divulged until the last part that Rico was Filipino? (I knew that from decades ago when a friend told me). |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 12:50:07 PM EST
[#27]
Would kinda like to see what Quentin Tarrentino could do with it.
Same for StarWars. Something where a very interesting 15 minute conversation takes place that cuts to the basic psychology or philosophical differences between foes. Something different and something where proper mature attention is given to making interesting characters. Something other than half assed "hahaha lets spoof nazis" or "the force is female" that was the intent with the creative forces in the original Starship Troopers or StarWars. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 1:24:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MRW: Mech suits or I'm out I want to see 30 second bombs. I am a 30 second bomb. I am a 30 second bomb. 29...28...27...26... |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 1:26:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4v50: Mini-series woulld be better. More time for a huge book. I wonder why it wasn't divulged until the last part that Rico was Filipino? (I knew that from decades ago when a friend told me). I thought he was Brazilian, from Rio de Janiero. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 2:24:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4v50: Mini-series woulld be better. More time for a huge book. I wonder why it wasn't divulged until the last part that Rico was Filipino? (I knew that from decades ago when a friend told me). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4v50: Originally Posted By mcculver5: OOOOO back from the dead. I would nominate Michael Bay as the director of the two-part Starship Troopers remake. Mini-series woulld be better. More time for a huge book. I wonder why it wasn't divulged until the last part that Rico was Filipino? (I knew that from decades ago when a friend told me). "New Buenos Aires" is where Ricco is from. I presume this is still in Argentina. Not that big of a book IMO. Lots of concepts but not a lot of plot IMO. If LOTR can be done in three movies, this book can be done in 2. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 8:22:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lonesome_Dave: I thought he was Brazilian, from Rio de Janiero. Buenos Ares, but his family was ethnic Filipino. |
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Posted: 1/12/2022 8:24:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4v50: Buenos Ares, but his family was ethnic Filipino. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4v50: Originally Posted By Lonesome_Dave: I thought he was Brazilian, from Rio de Janiero. Buenos Ares, but his family was ethnic Filipino. Click To View Spoiler Totally missed that. Where is that in the book? I mean, I could Google it, but this bumps the thread.
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Posted: 1/13/2022 3:33:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4v50: Mini-series woulld be better. More time for a huge book. I wonder why it wasn't divulged until the last part that Rico was Filipino? (I knew that from decades ago when a friend told me). It was a purposeful surprise only hinted at that a person of maritime southeast Asian descent raised in South America could personify all the ideals, values, feats, honor, ability and accomplishments of a European descended product of western civilization. When he was writing it in the 50s the average American household for his market had about as much interest in an open Latin American or Philippine main protagonist hero as most of us have now in a black, gay captain America or transgendered Wonder Woman. |
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Posted: 1/13/2022 4:35:50 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FrankSymptoms: Who could do a really good job of making this movie the way it should be made? You mean as a philosophy movie? … Well I always felt they did a good job with Ender’s Game - combining both action and the philosophy of the book. But it’s a hard sell really. |
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Posted: 1/13/2022 4:40:32 AM EST
[#35]
Just leave the original alone.
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Posted: 1/17/2022 12:02:42 AM EST
[#36]
I think you'd really need to break the book into a trilogy:
Movie 1: World building, Rico in training Movie 2: War with the skinnies Movie 3: War with the bugs I think Michael Mann would be a good person to take the subject matter seriously. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 12:20:55 AM EST
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I never read the book but enjoy the movie as the campy sci-fi romp that it is.
Originally Posted By AJ_Dual: John Milius Originally Posted By ziarifleman: Good one. The first person to come to mind. Originally Posted By ramairthree: John Favreau IF he was a fan of the book. The Mandalorian and his work with Iron Man show that he has a knack for taking something like movies or comics people loved in the 70s and 80s and delivering a good, well done, popular product. Probabley the best choice of the current directors. |
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Posted: 1/17/2022 5:09:38 PM EST
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Posted: 2/9/2022 4:25:21 AM EST
[Last Edit: Sniper3142]
[#39]
The live action movies were and are Total Utter Garbage.
And I don't really care whether there was or is Powered Armor. The problem with ALL of the movies and animated productions is the BUGS. They all make them out to be just Big Dumb Insects, which is absolutely wrong and the opposite of what they were in the Outstanding Book. In the Book, the question about how Intelligent The Bugs were comes up. They were As Smart and Advanced as Humanity was in the Book. Which is why the conflict was called an Interstellar War. They had Technology and had Split the Atom. They travelled through space in Starships, which were at first superior to Earth's ships. They used Energy Weapons in surface combat (and Nuclear Equipped Missiles or Torpedoes in Ship-to-Ship combat). To Quote the Book: "Dumb Races don't build Spaceships." Every production has made them out to be nothing more than Large Stupid Roaches that charge at their enemies. Heck... even a Monkey is smart enough to Throw a Rock at an enemy instead of trying to get close enough to physically attack them! And that is PATHETIC. THAT is what I despise about every single live action & animation version of Starship Troopers! |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 6:56:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: wingnutx]
[#40]
Tim Minear (Firefly)
The team from The Expanse The team from DREDD Milius is the best suggestion so far. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 7:51:29 PM EST
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Milius/Cameron for the script, Cameron to direct. Spielberg to produce.
The ethos of the story was WW2 island fighting vs the Japanese. The Bugs would need to reflect the canny, vicious nature of the IJA. It might work best as a mini series on HBO. Favreau captured a lot of the S.A. and weapons integration of the Suits in Iron Man. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 9:03:34 PM EST
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How about Neill Blomkamp (District 9, Chappie) as the director. I like his gritty mix of practical effects and CGI; works for me.
Not sure I trust him to write the movie, doesn't give off libertarian/patriotic vibes. Listened to the book last month during a long drive. Cathartic. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 9:18:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: TNC]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman: I'd nominate Jon Favreau, personally. Practically anything would be better than the dumpster fire that was the first one.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman: Originally Posted By 18B30: Micheal Bay, Mike Mann, or James Cameron. I'd nominate Jon Favreau, personally. Practically anything would be better than the dumpster fire that was the first one. Yeah, or Joss Whedon ETA: If the Coen brothers could be talked in to making a high fidelity adaptation like they did with No Country for Old Men, or The Road, that would be great. kthxbai |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 10:23:54 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MRW: Mech suits or I'm out |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 10:53:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: JohnClarkUSN]
[#45]
Necropost
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Posted: 10/1/2022 10:53:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: JohnClarkUSN]
[#46]
Necro troll
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Posted: 10/1/2022 11:06:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChickenDaddy: I like it the way it is, one of my favorite sci fi movies of all time. Better than the book.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 6:09:45 PM EST
[#48]
Johnny Rico is a Salvage Marine now.
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Posted: 10/3/2022 11:00:19 AM EST
[#49]
Lou Diamond Phillips would have made a great Juan Rico.
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Posted: 10/3/2022 3:29:30 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcculver5: How is this even possible? I think the movie is OK and unintentionally made being an assault trooper seem awesome. Also, the cities were clean and the kids were all pretty safe and care-free strolling around any time of the day or night. That is, no worries about crime. Not what I think the filmmaker should have done if he wanted to tell the story of "Muh Nazis." Though they meant to criticize the concept of "Service equals Citizenship" it ended up looking like a pretty smart way to run a republic by the end of the movie; almost as though Heinlein's storytelling and world-building could not be suppressed and shone through the attempt by the filmmaker to mock Heinlein's world and worldview. But, no jump troopers, no mech armor, forced romance (not that I advocate going deep on Heinlein's views on romance), and an over-all silly take on and interesting and fairly sophisticated sci-fi book. The book is an ode to DIs everywhere and the brotherhood between those who served. Well written with a story arc and a fully formed world complete with a unique and interesting political theory. It's a complete book written by a master storyteller. Unlike many of Heinlein's later works it was pithy and circumspect. The big idea of the book is that people should have a stake in their government (skin in the game) and that choosing to serve others (or something bigger than the self) changes one's perspective on life and personal accountability. This was done by way of a love-letter to all of those tough non-coms who make men from boys. Great book. Meh movie. I find this goes with Ayne Rand's objectivism philosophy. Which, is all about only laboring/working/paying for society because you want to, not because others force you, can co-exist in a world where service is incentivized and properly rewarded in the ST universe of having people need skin in the game for themselves to benefit |
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