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Posted: 10/25/2013 9:44:49 AM EST
Apparently gunpowder direct fire weapons were all the rage back then facilitating these newfangled star forts since old school castles just couldn't keep up.

I really just wanted an excuse to post cool pictures![not mine]

Link Posted: 10/25/2013 11:17:11 AM EST
very cool... what are each of those locations?
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 11:27:09 AM EST
I always liked this one!
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 11:29:26 AM EST
Vauban
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 11:34:04 AM EST
Cool photos, OP. Did you know that your photobucket account is wide open?
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 11:49:55 AM EST
Excellent defense against direct fire & infantry attack. Not so good against airpower. But an infantry officer's nightmare still, if properly manned, I should think.
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starfish
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Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:06:52 PM EST
Aren't they pretty much why howitzers and mortars were invented?
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:10:03 PM EST
I thought this thread would be about this:

Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:10:16 PM EST
The one in the upper left is Ft. Bourtange in the Netherlands.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:13:09 PM EST
DUPE.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:13:38 PM EST
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Lol.
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The presence of these two threads at the same time has been very confusing to me.
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I see what you did there.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:19:41 PM EST
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Lol.
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Originally Posted By GLOCKshooter:
DUPE.

Lol.



ha…i just came here to do the same thing
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:25:05 PM EST
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Glad I'm not the only lysdexic one here
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Glad I'm not the only lysdexic one here
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DUPE.

Glad I'm not the only lysdexic one here



Me too
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:27:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By backbencher:
Excellent defense against direct fire & infantry attack. Not so good against airpower. But an infantry officer's nightmare still, if properly manned, I should think.
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That Dutch fort is one of those you'd have to starve out. I don't think it was ever captured.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:28:04 PM EST
Well, looks like this thread has already hit crash mode.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:31:43 PM EST


Was just at this one last month. Very interesting.

Kinsale, Ireland
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Castle Island (Boston,Ma)

Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:34:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mullah_Atari:
That Dutch fort is one of those you'd have to starve out. I don't think it was ever captured.
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Originally Posted By Mullah_Atari:
Originally Posted By backbencher:
Excellent defense against direct fire & infantry attack. Not so good against airpower. But an infantry officer's nightmare still, if properly manned, I should think.
That Dutch fort is one of those you'd have to starve out. I don't think it was ever captured.

Just do what Caesar did to Vercingetorix and build a fort around the fort.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:36:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mike_314:
The presence of these two threads at the same time has been very confusing to me.
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DUPE.
The presence of these two threads at the same time has been very confusing to me.


Same here. I thought one was a parody of the other:



Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:36:38 PM EST
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Just do what Caesar did to Vercingetorix and build a fort around the fort.
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Originally Posted By Mullah_Atari:
Originally Posted By backbencher:
Excellent defense against direct fire & infantry attack. Not so good against airpower. But an infantry officer's nightmare still, if properly manned, I should think.
That Dutch fort is one of those you'd have to starve out. I don't think it was ever captured.

Just do what Caesar did to Vercingetorix and build a fort around the fort.

Don't forget the fort around the fort around the fort.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:40:10 PM EST
I like how this thread is side by side with the STORE FARTS thread.

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I like how this thread is side by side with the STORE FARTS thread.

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Yep. Let's keep em both at the top as long as we can!
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:42:44 PM EST
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“Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man.” General George S. Patton , Jr. USA

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Yet the Westwall held him up for over a month.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:43:33 PM EST
OOPS Thought this was the Store Farts thread.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:43:40 PM EST
Store farts
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:47:56 PM EST
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Don't forget the fort around the fort around the fort.
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Originally Posted By Mullah_Atari:
Originally Posted By backbencher:
Excellent defense against direct fire & infantry attack. Not so good against airpower. But an infantry officer's nightmare still, if properly manned, I should think.
That Dutch fort is one of those you'd have to starve out. I don't think it was ever captured.

Just do what Caesar did to Vercingetorix and build a fort around the fort.

Don't forget the fort around the fort around the fort.
Like a huge stone turduken.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:50:13 PM EST
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I did not, I may have to change that.

Also, this thread has almost gone full retard!
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:51:13 PM EST
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They were pretty handy before smokeless powder came along.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:52:14 PM EST
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I did not, I may have to change that.

Also, this thread has almost gone full retard!
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Cool photos, OP. Did you know that your photobucket account is wide open?

I did not, I may have to change that.

Also, this thread has almost gone full retard!


It started good, but it's now well on it's way to becoming a poop thread.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:54:05 PM EST
Fort Morgan, Alabama



Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:54:07 PM EST
this thread is stinky cool
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:54:28 PM EST
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double tap
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 12:54:52 PM EST
How many farts could a star fort store if a star fort could store farts?
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I think there might be a lack of star forts in the US because of how late in that period we started fortifying. I think we might have more polygonal forts but I'm no expert...
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yeah. because it was much easier to put 18th century cities on wheels and pull them with oxen.






Link Posted: 10/25/2013 1:03:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By backbencher:
Excellent defense against direct fire & infantry attack. Not so good against airpower. But an infantry officer's nightmare still, if properly manned, I should think.
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Actually, during the U.S. Civil War, it was rifled artillery that made coastal masonry fortifications obsolete.

Fort Pulaski much?

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Actually, during the U.S. Civil War, it was rifled artillery that made coastal masonry fortifications obsolete.

Fort Pulaski much?

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Originally Posted By backbencher:
Excellent defense against direct fire & infantry attack. Not so good against airpower. But an infantry officer's nightmare still, if properly manned, I should think.


Actually, during the U.S. Civil War, it was rifled artillery that made coastal masonry fortifications obsolete.

Fort Pulaski much?



Agree, but it doesn't explain why Sumter didn't fall.

Quincy Gillmore established his fame as the conqueror of Fort Pulaski. He was then selected to capture Fort Sumter which was the lock that guarded the entrance to Charleston Harbor. The key was Morris Island which, after a two month siege, was captured. Even then, he couldn't take Fort Sumter. Sumter was pounded to rubble but the Confederates didn't evacuate until after Sherman approached from the South.
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Agree, but it doesn't explain why Sumter didn't fall.

Quincy Gillmore established his fame as the conqueror of Fort Pulaski. He was then selected to capture Fort Sumter which was the lock that guarded the entrance to Charleston Harbor. The key was Morris Island which, after a two month siege, was captured. Even then, he couldn't take Fort Sumter. Sumter was pounded to rubble but the Confederates didn't evacuate until after Sherman approached from the South.
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Originally Posted By TerryC:
Originally Posted By backbencher:
Excellent defense against direct fire & infantry attack. Not so good against airpower. But an infantry officer's nightmare still, if properly manned, I should think.


Actually, during the U.S. Civil War, it was rifled artillery that made coastal masonry fortifications obsolete.

Fort Pulaski much?



Agree, but it doesn't explain why Sumter didn't fall.

Quincy Gillmore established his fame as the conqueror of Fort Pulaski. He was then selected to capture Fort Sumter which was the lock that guarded the entrance to Charleston Harbor. The key was Morris Island which, after a two month siege, was captured. Even then, he couldn't take Fort Sumter. Sumter was pounded to rubble but the Confederates didn't evacuate until after Sherman approached from the South.
Was the rubble star shaped?

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I always liked this one!

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That's Arf-Land!
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 2:32:18 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Miracle_Pants:

Just do what Caesar did to Vercingetorix and build a fort around the fort.
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Originally Posted By Mullah_Atari:
Originally Posted By backbencher:
Excellent defense against direct fire & infantry attack. Not so good against airpower. But an infantry officer's nightmare still, if properly manned, I should think.
That Dutch fort is one of those you'd have to starve out. I don't think it was ever captured.

Just do what Caesar did to Vercingetorix and build a fort around the fort.
That's actually the way you'd lay siege to a fort like that. In this case, however, they thought of that ahead of time and made sure to build the fort in something of a swamp so you can't dig effective trenches. They wouldn't even have to flood the surrounding area, though I'm sure they had things set up so they could.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 2:37:18 PM EST
Castillo De San Marcos, St. Augustine, FL


Link Posted: 10/25/2013 2:40:30 PM EST
My personal favorite: The Citadel in Halifax. Until bombers came along, this fortress stood guard over one of the most perfect harbors on earth.

Link Posted: 10/25/2013 2:47:28 PM EST
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Fort Monroe, Virginia. I still can't believe we gave it up. If the Navy can have a wooden sailing ship, why can't the Army have a masonry star fort?

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