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Posted: 3/14/2006 8:42:31 PM EDT
Just fishined watching the first Star Trek movie tonight. I haven't seen this one for probably 16 years.
Of course as a reminder this is the movie where an alien named V ger of great power is heading toward Earth. Turns out that V ger is actually the NASA Voyager 6 probe. At the end of the movie a human named Captain Decker merges with the machine Voyager. The crew of the Enterprise consier this the birth of a new life form.
My question is, Is this the beginning of what has become known as the Borg?

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 8:44:20 PM EDT
I have read many theories on that. The consensus (at least as I remember it) is that Voyager did indeed make it to a Borg-like galaxy. Mostly likely through a black hole.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 8:44:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NuclearFission:
Is this the beginning of what has become known as the Borg?




Yes

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 8:51:11 PM EDT
The bald girl aboard the Enterprise that was used to make the probe in her likeness, perhaps becomes the Borg queen?
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 8:53:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 8:55:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NuclearFission:
Turns out that V ger is actually the NASA Voyager 6 probe. At the end of the movie a human named Captain Decker merges with the machine Voyager. The crew of the Enterprise consier this the birth of a new life form.



Dude!!! Spoiler warning please!!!



j/k
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 8:56:16 PM EDT
you guys have WAY too much free time to think this shit up
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 8:57:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By geerhed:

Originally Posted By NuclearFission:
Turns out that V ger is actually the NASA Voyager 6 probe. At the end of the movie a human named Captain Decker merges with the machine Voyager. The crew of the Enterprise consier this the birth of a new life form.



Dude!!! Spoiler warning please!!!



j/k



Something like

Spoiler inside for 27 year old movie you should have already seen or never will.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:07:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 9:08:19 PM EDT by PromptCritical]
Ah the finest example of an exception to the "Sequels are never as good as the original" rule.

Honestly, that movie was dull as hell.

I have a book with a great review detailing why it's so boring. It goes like this: Paramount wants to make a movie like Star Wars so they can make a bunch of cash too. They owned the rights to Star Trek. They wanted to make the most money possible so they wanted everyone to be able to see it. The movie was written toward getting a "G" rating so even the kids could go see it. Then they realized that a "G" rating means "boring" and asked the MPAA to give it a "PG" so adults would want to see it. Problem is, they were already done filming. Bang! "G" movie with a "PG" rating.

Orinally in the script, when V'Ger went away, the three Klingon ships were supposed to be freed along with the Enterprise. The enterprise was then supposed to defend Earth from them and nearly get destroyed in the process. Would have dovetailed perfectly into the opening of Wrath of Khan where the Enterprise is once again in spacedock. This idea was scrapped for being too costly. Some decent action probably would have saved the movie. Oh well, they did figure that out later...

BTW: Best ST movies ever:
Pure Action: Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
Best overall: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

Worst Ever: Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.

ETA: I was a nerd, but I got better...
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:11:32 PM EDT
I've never thought about the borg connection. Post that on some trekkie website and watch them go apeshit.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:21:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By M15A2:
I've never thought about the borg connection. Post that on some trekkie website and watch them go apeshit.



And then tell them the Enterprise (doesn't matter which one) would be no match for an Imperial Star Destroyer.

Then, go off on how the people of Star Trek are a bunch of commies (no money, working to better humanity, all problems solved utopia shit).
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:22:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:

Originally Posted By M15A2:
I've never thought about the borg connection. Post that on some trekkie website and watch them go apeshit.



And then tell them the Enterprise (doesn't matter which one) would be no match for an Imperial Star Destroyer.

Then, go off on how the people of Star Trek are a bunch of commies (no money, working to better humanity, all problems solved utopia shit).



Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:31:24 PM EDT
As a recovering Trekkie, this shit is funny!
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:36:35 PM EDT
I doubt there is a connection. First of all, the Borg didn't even know of humans until Q transported the Enterprise far beyond its borders. Second, I doubt Q would have been able to resist tormenting Picard about humanity creating the Borg if that were true.

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:38:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By happycynic:
I doubt there is a connection. First of all, the Borg didn't even know of humans until Q transported the Enterprise far beyond its borders. Second, I doubt Q would have been able to resist tormenting Picard about humanity creating the Borg if that were true.




+1

There would have been mention of it in Voyager (the series, not the probe).

Plus, in Star Trek: First Contact the queen admits to Data that they used to be just like humans, and they gradually learned to include technology to perfect themselves.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:41:36 PM EDT
What the hell was Q anyways? ...... God

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:42:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NuclearFission:
What the hell was Q anyways? ...... God




Omnipotent Being, one of many. Not god.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:46:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By adair_usmc:

Originally Posted By NuclearFission:
What the hell was Q anyways? ...... God




Omnipotent Being, one of many. Not god.



And annoying.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:48:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:

Originally Posted By adair_usmc:

Originally Posted By NuclearFission:
What the hell was Q anyways? ...... God




Omnipotent Being, one of many. Not god.



And annoying.



The first time he showed up in the series, yes. But in voyager, and the follow-on encounters with Picard, I thought he was pretty funny.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:02:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 10:05:00 PM EDT by NuclearFission]
I forgot about the Voyager series. That was the one with the chick captain. Janeway or something?

If I was stuck out in space, I'd be bangin that like a retard on a drum set!



Edited, cause I was too retarded to spell drum
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:03:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 10:05:46 PM EDT by OBird]

Originally Posted By NuclearFission:
Just fishined watching the first Star Trek movie tonight. I haven't seen this one for probably 16 years.
Of course as a reminder this is the movie where an alien named V ger of great power is heading toward Earth. Turns out that V ger is actually the NASA Voyager 6 probe. At the end of the movie a human named Captain Decker merges with the machine Voyager. The crew of the Enterprise consier this the birth of a new life form.
My question is, Is this the beginning of what has become known as the Borg?




That's a pretty good idea, however I remember reading in one of those "offical Star Trek manual" book thinigies that the Borg have been in existence for thousands of years by the time we encountered them in ST:TNG.

Boy do I feel like a nerd. Oh, wait, I am one.


Originally Posted By adair_usmc:
The first time he showed up in the series, yes. But in voyager, and the follow-on encounters with Picard, I thought he was pretty funny.



+1

John DeLance was a really good actor later on in the TNG series.

BTW, I never really watched Voyager. Did Q actually make appearances there, too? Was he too much of a jerk to just "whoosh" them back home?
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:03:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 10:03:51 PM EDT by adair_usmc]

Originally Posted By NuclearFission:
I forgot about the Voyager series. That was the one with the chick captain. Janeway or something?

If I was stuck out in space, I'd be bangin that like a retard on a drumb set!



I would be hitting 7 of 9 like a retard on a drum set.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:06:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By adair_usmc:

Originally Posted By NuclearFission:
I forgot about the Voyager series. That was the one with the chick captain. Janeway or something?

If I was stuck out in space, I'd be bangin that like a retard on a drumb set!



I would be hitting 7 of 9 like a retard on a drum set.



7 of 9 never really did anything for me. That klingon chick looked better to me.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:15:58 PM EDT
NuclearFission? Gee.. What do you do for a living?
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:16:52 PM EDT




Hell I liked Q he was more powerful and did not care for political correctness.

I always wanted to see the borg try to assimilate him or see him from the borg perspective.



Man I need a life.





.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:20:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:
NuclearFission? Gee.. What do you do for a living?




Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:24:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:
Then, go off on how the people of Star Trek are a bunch of commies (no money, working to better humanity, all problems solved utopia shit).



I'm sure they do have some sort of monetary system. Maybe they just don't use paper or coin anymore. Remember in STVI, Scotty says, "That suits me, I just bought a boat." So there is the ability to purchase luxeries and similar.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:27:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 10:43:41 PM EDT by Madman]


Originally Posted By OBird:

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Originally Posted By adair_usmc:
The first time he showed up in the series, yes. But in voyager, and the follow-on encounters with Picard, I thought he was pretty funny.
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+1

John DeLance was a really good actor later on in the TNG series.

BTW, I never really watched Voyager. Did Q actually make appearances there, too? Was he too much of a jerk to just "whoosh" them back home?




He showed up a few times , tried to have a baby with cap janeway.

he would not flick voyager back because they had "things to do"





<­font size=6> PLEASE stop this thread, I am not a nerd

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:30:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Madman:
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Originally Posted By adair_usmc:
The first time he showed up in the series, yes. But in voyager, and the follow-on encounters with Picard, I thought he was pretty funny.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------




+1

John DeLance was a really good actor later on in the TNG series.

BTW, I never really watched Voyager. Did Q actually make appearances there, too? Was he too much of a jerk to just "whoosh" them back home?

He showed up a few times , tried to have a baby with cap janeway.

he would not flick voyager back because they had "things to do"


PLEASE stop this thread, I am not a nerd




Apparently not, you do not know how to quote properly.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:35:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 10:35:59 PM EDT by Silver_Surfer]
Nah the borge cube would have been WAY BIGGER! Anyway Vgers mission was to learn not to asimalate(spelling).
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 4:32:21 AM EDT
Everyone knows that there is an evolutionary scale for the Borg. The first step is amongst us now. It is not and will not be "v-ger." It is of course quite visible on PBS most weekdays. These dangerous life forms are amongst us now convincing our children that they are fun loving and harmless creatures. We now know better.

Beware the first evolutionary step toward the Borg. A blending of living matter with technology.

Telet­ubbies!





Link Posted: 3/15/2006 4:53:48 AM EDT
OT: The Inidan womanPersis Khambatta that played that played Lieutenant Ilia died of a heart attack in 1998.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:30:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Everyone knows that there is an evolutionary scale for the Borg. The first step is amongst us now. It is not and will not be "v-ger." It is of course quite visible on PBS most weekdays. These dangerous life forms are amongst us now convincing our children that they are fun loving and harmless creatures. We now know better.

Beware the first evolutionary step toward the Borg. A blending of living matter with technology.

Telet­ubbies!







Is the yellow one getting a hummer
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:46:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Flakchak:

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:
Then, go off on how the people of Star Trek are a bunch of commies (no money, working to better humanity, all problems solved utopia shit).



I'm sure they do have some sort of monetary system. Maybe they just don't use paper or coin anymore. Remember in STVI, Scotty says, "That suits me, I just bought a boat." So there is the ability to purchase luxeries and similar.



I think the writers moved away from the no-money thing mainly because it wasn't practical. They still trade with outside races, and working on a barter-only system is rather primitive. Once Deep Space Nine started, they gave up on it altogether. Now it seems everyone uses gold-pressed latinum, which apparantly can't be replicated and is valuable for some reason. It was mostly used by non-Federation races like the Ferengi, but you'd hear about Starfleet officers using it occasionally, mainly Dax and her gambling debts. I know a better way she could pay them off.

There was mention of 'Federation Credits' once by Quark that I recall, but he was scornful of them and said they were only good for buying other Federation Credits. So they have some form of money, just no one else wants it, and they don't really need it for much of anything as long as they stay in the core areas of the Federation. People on the fringes need some kind of currency for trading with outsiders.

I think that's it in a nutshell.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:53:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By M1-Matt:

Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Everyone knows that there is an evolutionary scale for the Borg. The first step is amongst us now. It is not and will not be "v-ger." It is of course quite visible on PBS most weekdays. These dangerous life forms are amongst us now convincing our children that they are fun loving and harmless creatures. We now know better.

Beware the first evolutionary step toward the Borg. A blending of living matter with technology.

Telet­ubbies!

pbskids.org/teletubbies/parentsteachers/images/video.jpg





Is the yellow one getting a hummer



Dude, that is just plain messed up.

It's amazing the things I see on Arfcom. MJD
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:57:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:00:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By M1-Matt:

Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Everyone knows that there is an evolutionary scale for the Borg. The first step is amongst us now. It is not and will not be "v-ger." It is of course quite visible on PBS most weekdays. These dangerous life forms are amongst us now convincing our children that they are fun loving and harmless creatures. We now know better.

Beware the first evolutionary step toward the Borg. A blending of living matter with technology.

Telet­ubbies!

pbskids.org/teletubbies/parentsteachers/images/video.jpg





Is the yellow one getting a hummer





I never noticed. I just grabbeb the pic of the website.

Hmmm.... always wondered why they needed a giant shop vac.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:02:15 AM EDT
No, doubt it, since the Borg were unaware of earth humans until Q threw the Enterprise to the other side of the universe.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:53:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:

Originally Posted By Flakchak:

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:
Then, go off on how the people of Star Trek are a bunch of commies (no money, working to better humanity, all problems solved utopia shit).



I'm sure they do have some sort of monetary system. Maybe they just don't use paper or coin anymore. Remember in STVI, Scotty says, "That suits me, I just bought a boat." So there is the ability to purchase luxeries and similar.



I think the writers moved away from the no-money thing mainly because it wasn't practical. They still trade with outside races, and working on a barter-only system is rather primitive. Once Deep Space Nine started, they gave up on it altogether. Now it seems everyone uses gold-pressed latinum, which apparantly can't be replicated and is valuable for some reason. It was mostly used by non-Federation races like the Ferengi, but you'd hear about Starfleet officers using it occasionally, mainly Dax and her gambling debts. I know a better way she could pay them off.

There was mention of 'Federation Credits' once by Quark that I recall, but he was scornful of them and said they were only good for buying other Federation Credits. So they have some form of money, just no one else wants it, and they don't really need it for much of anything as long as they stay in the core areas of the Federation. People on the fringes need some kind of currency for trading with outsiders.

I think that's it in a nutshell.



Federation credits appear to be some sort of rationing system, if that, which is only good among others in the federation, maybe even just the military. There was one episode where Jake kept trying to borrow money from Nog, and Nog kept making fun of humans for getting rid of money.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 7:18:57 AM EDT
The Borg have been around a while. In First Contact, the Borg were trying to contact their 21st century counterparts by modifying the Enterprises defelector dish.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 7:25:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NuclearFission:
What the hell was Q anyways? ...... God




He was the reason I quit watching Star Trek altogether. Ridiculous bullshit.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 7:25:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:

Originally Posted By adair_usmc:

Originally Posted By NuclearFission:
What the hell was Q anyways? ...... God




Omnipotent Being, one of many. Not god.



And annoying.



I LOVED Q!
<------runs outta the geek thread
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 7:35:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PlaymoreMinds:

I LOVED Q!
<------runs outta the geek thread



OMG!?! Was there a g-g-g-girl in here? A real live one? Should we say something to her?

Link Posted: 3/15/2006 7:37:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ken_mays:

Originally Posted By NuclearFission:
What the hell was Q anyways? ...... God




He was the reason I quit watching Star Trek altogether. Ridiculous bullshit.


I suppose you object to Stargates Ascended Beings for the same reason? Its fiction.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 7:42:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By happycynic:

Originally Posted By PlaymoreMinds:

I LOVED Q!
<------runs outta the geek thread



OMG!?! Was there a g-g-g-girl in here? A real live one? Should we say something to her?




I'm a geek. Well, I married one and was assimilated.
I love Next Gen (have the entire series on DVD) Been to a convention or four, and have every ST ornament issued by Hallmark.

Link Posted: 3/15/2006 8:00:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/15/2006 8:01:19 AM EDT by Tanker06]

Originally Posted By Lancelot:

Originally Posted By M1-Matt:
Is the yellow one getting a hummer


I never noticed. I just grabbeb the pic of the website.
Hmmm.... always wondered why they needed a giant shop vac.


Link Posted: 3/15/2006 8:05:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/15/2006 8:05:30 AM EDT by Tanker06]

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:

Originally Posted By M15A2:
I've never thought about the borg connection. Post that on some trekkie website and watch them go apeshit.


And then tell them the Enterprise (doesn't matter which one) would be no match for an Imperial Star Destroyer.


PromptCritical --> <-- Trekkies

Days worth of entertainment.....
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 8:17:50 AM EDT
I remember my parents taking me to see it. How cruel was it to have them show the trailer for "Empire Strikes Back" and then have to sit through a boring movie.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 8:56:22 AM EDT
I thought John Delancey was hilarious as Q. My favorite quote: " Hi Worf. Eat any good books lately?"
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 9:12:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By M1-Matt:

Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Everyone knows that there is an evolutionary scale for the Borg. The first step is amongst us now. It is not and will not be "v-ger." It is of course quite visible on PBS most weekdays. These dangerous life forms are amongst us now convincing our children that they are fun loving and harmless creatures. We now know better.

Beware the first evolutionary step toward the Borg. A blending of living matter with technology.

Teletubbies!

pbskids.org/teletubbies/parentsteachers/images/video.jpg





Is the yellow one getting a hummer



Link Posted: 3/15/2006 9:16:38 AM EDT
no, the borg are much older...
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