Back in April of this year I started a thread regarding a guy I used to work with 2-3 years ago. Below, I have posted the original thread and an archieve link to that thread. There's a very recent update that begins under the quoted thread here......

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I know this guy who used to work for the company I currently work for. At one point he & I were friends, but due to his increasing and now complete lack of mental stability, he became unemployed and moved out of the state. At that point, the instability was simply confusion for him, nothing truly hostile. We've never had any real sort of issues, however, from time to time, it appeared as though he had mental issues, which began to increase in their frequency. These would manifest themselves in to serious anger from this guy and occasionally, these episodes became serious to the extent that he'd threaten me. Things eventually simmered down once I ignored him. Once he left the state, he'd occasionally call or text me, which were all fairly normal communications. It was and still is apparent that he is delussional and his mental instability has gotten much worse. For the last 3 weeks, he's called me, left messages and text messages me a dozen times a day. These communications over the last 3 weeks or so have gone from fairly normal to completely enraged and 100% psycho. He's threatened me numerous times, he's threatened to show up at my work, my home and "make an example" out of me. And no, I have no idea why me or what the fuck is the purpose of focusing on me. There's apparently no accounting for "crazy"...which this guy clearly is. He's not a big guy, but he is potentially violent and potentially armed. I have not responded to ANY text or voice messages in these 3 weeks....however my lack of response seems to have done nothing more than enrage this guy. His last message was left as I'm typing this which simply screamed in to the phone "YOU WANNA FUCK WITH ME?!?!". Prior to that, he threatened to come to my home & work to settle the "score". What "score"? I have absolutely no clue...but he's convinced there is one that needs settling. Like I said, I've never said or done anything to this guy in any way. My only explanation is that he's gone fully psychotic or schizophrenic since I've seen him last, since I can not find anything that would serve as any sort of valid or real catalyst for his behavior...it's fully irrational, threatening and volitile. The good news is he's in NJ at the moment, I believe. He also doesn't know where I live, but that's not all that hard to figure out. He does know where I work though...as he used to work here a few years ago. In his text & voice messages he's threatened to come to my company and "make an example once and for all". This could very well be the kind of guy to do just that. I have notified HR and my boss regarding this and offered to make these saved messages known to them if they'd choose to hear and read them. I'm also contemplating a restraining order as well, however I don't know what that involves...never did that before. Apparently Cingular can not block individual numbers, so if I want the calls and texts to end, I literally have to change my number...which I'm not opposed to. I can't do that until the messages currently saved have been made available to law enforcement if they'd like evidence of this harassment. Any ideas as to what I should do about this? Anyone have a suggestion? I know, remain armed and aware as much as possible. Thanks for listening...any ideas are welcomed.

Since I wrote this in April, I sought a restraining order to simply formalize my concern over this situation. My concern stems from the fact that this guy has threatened to kill me numerous times, threatened to kill my sister, brother in law, mother and father as well. No, I have no clue why, I've NEVER done anything to him....at all. There is no basis for this beyond the fact that this guy is absolutely mentally ill.

In the process of getting a restraining order, I learned a lot. 1) The responsibility of locating the stalker in order for law enforcement to serve him with papers is my job. 2) This guy lives a VERY transient life and locating an actual address to have him served was extremely difficult. 3) I finally found out he was living with his father in NJ and had the order of protection faxed to NJ authorities, who attempted to serve him. His father answered the door, was informed of the reason for the visit from NJ LEO's and told them his son Dan was not at home. The papers were never served, but the stalker, and his father now were made aware of what I was trying to do.

The temporary order of protection required a court appearance by me 2 weeks after it was issued. At that time, I showed up to court to find a lawyer retained by this guys family waiting there. I stated my case and the judge told me that unless I could personally locate a residence to have him served there was very little the courts could do. The order was eventually dropped since I could not locate him and his family was obviously going to bat for him.

From that point on, his communications tapered off, seemingly to avoid providing me with evidence in the form of text messages & voicemails. The lawyer obviously relayed to his father what I came to court with and his father passed that along. That was this summer.

From then until now, I'd get calls from "unknown number". Typically I wont answer calls like that...I'll let it go to voicemail....if the caller wishes to leave a message. On the rare occasion when I wasn't paying attention to the caller ID, I'd answer. It would be him and the "conversation" consists of him screaming in the most psychotic raging voice, screaming in to the phone he's going to find me and he's going to blow my fuckin head off.

Clearly this guy has gotten worse and his apparent rage has definately grown. Now the last address I knew he was at was in NJ.....until last night.

On my way in to my community, which has a guard gate, I saw him sitting in his parked car. He obviously located my address, but pulled over to the curb just shy of the gate house when he realized it would take a little more effort to actually get in. As I turned the corner towards my developement, I saw a charcoal grey BMW 330 along the curb. Immediately thought of him and as I drove past to the gate, I looked in to the car and saw him sitting behind the wheel. Not sure if he saw me....but I definately saw him.

This situation is now very close to home. He's in FL, he's clearly looking for me and he's found my community. It is a very short road for this guy to take this to the next level at this point. I still have no idea where to locate him, but he's got a very good idea where to locate me. Due to the fact that he's threatened to kill me many times, and very obviously mentally ill, I have every reason to believe his plans do not end because he ran in to an elderly man in a gate house at my community. Getting in another way would be very easy...it just requires motivation and he seems to have plenty.

Anyone here have any ideas, plans, recourse for such a situation? I never go ANYWHERE unarmed. That is of limited value when you consider he knows where I work and the hours I work (he used to work for my company 2-3 years ago). Additionally, he now knows where I live. Combine that with knowlege of my schedule 5 days a week....and the ground work is there for him to attempt to catch me coming home, coming to work, leaving home, leaving for work. Plus, my home is vacant from 9-6pm which leaves opportunity to gain access and wait for me.

I'm looking for ideas here so any suggestions would be appreciated.

Call the cops and tell them the story.  Did you get a tag number for his car?

Leave a paper trail of what he is doing and when the time comes and you have to protect yourself, cap his ass.

Quoted: Call the cops and tell them the story.  Did you get a tag number for his car?

+1

Quoted: Call the cops and tell them the story.  Did you get a tag number for his car?

I wasn't expecting to see his car when I pulled in to my community last night and frankly was looking to just confirm is WASN'T him. It's been close to 3 years since I've seen him at all. As I passed the car on my way to the gate, and realized it was him, I continued to drive through, and looped back around to the gate to see if the car was still there to get the tag #. The car was gone.

I have a photo of him and I know the year, model and color of the car. Basic info as to his fathers last known address in NJ and that's about it.

A report with Boynton Beach police will be filed today, but what's that really going to do for me besides document my concern? Worth doing, but of zero protective value.

So he obviously still has employment or some bank if he has a BMW 3 series?  Or is it his father's car?

If his family is complicit in this, you'd think there could be some kind of legal action ?  (Or maybe your widow can sue his family or have them charged as accomplices only AFTER your murder )

Anyway, did you get a tag number?

Sounds like things have indeed been taken to the next level.

Can I vote preemptive strike?

Start recording all calls into or out of the house.  You can do it on your computer with the following product:  Digital Call Logger

I used one to document calls in Real Estate.  

You will have digital WAV files that you can take to the cops.

Also, I would suggest hiring a P.I. to find out where he lives.

You also need to vary your route each day, let the security company that mans the gatehouse know the situation too.  You should also schedule a meeting with the police about this.

Assess your site security, your home security.  Make it a hardened target.

Florida has great CCW laws.

Quoted: So he obviously still has employment or some bank if he has a BMW 3 series?  Or is it his father's car? His family has money and seems to fund his existance to keep him out of their hair. Gifts seem to be given to keep things "level". He, as far as I know, hasn't held a job since he left my company and has been financed via a trust fund. He has no roots or obligations to keep him in one place. If his family is complicit in this, you'd think there could be some kind of legal action ?  (Or maybe your widow can sue his family or have them charged as accomplices only AFTER your murder ) Lovely. I know this much. His father fronted a lawyer for him when I went to the hearing regarding the extension of the temporary order of protection and afterwards, his fathers phone number switched to a new, unlisted number. Anyway, did you get a tag number? As stated above, no. Sounds like things have indeed been taken to the next level. Certainly it's come very close to home now. Very close. Can I vote preemptive strike? I will remain on the high road lagally....and frankly I wouldn't know where to locate him.

Quoted: Start recording all calls into or out of the house.  You can do it on your computer with the following product:  Digital Call Logger He only calls my cell and never leaves messages anymore. Also, I would suggest hiring a P.I. to find out where he lives. Thought of that, but haven't decided what I should do. You also need to vary your route each day, let the security company that mans the gatehouse know the situation too.  You should also schedule a meeting with the police about this. Assess your site security, your home security.  Make it a hardened target. Check on all accounts.

Simple things you need to do as a start.

Aquire a couple different vehicles.  Something very nondescript.  A white Ford Taurus and a blue Toyota truck for example.  Vary your route to & from home.  Vary your time if at all possible.  Be absolutely certain HR & your supv/mgr are aware of your situation and that THEY need to be proactive in protecting you as well.

Perimeter alarm and camera security is essential for your home.

Talk to the local cops one on one.  Give them a description and picture of him and his vehicle. GET THE PLATE NUMBER!!!!  Provide this same info to the guard shack.

Continue with your situational awareness.  You need to be alert 24/7.  No alcohol until this situation is done.  You do not need ANY distractions or imparments to your judgement.

Work with the court as well.  

I'm not sure if it is appropriate to contact the attorney the guy's family hired to make him aware what his client is doing.  Perhaps another ARFCOM member can answer that.

Castle Doctrine in FL right?

If it were me, I would strike first. It may be illegal, but I'd be alive.

Quoted: Quoted: So he obviously still has employment or some bank if he has a BMW 3 series?  Or is it his father's car? His family has money and seems to fund his existance to keep him out of their hair. Gifts seem to be given to keep things "level". He, as far as I know, hasn't held a job since he left my company and has been financed via a trust fund. He has no roots or obligations to keep him in one place. If his family is complicit in this, you'd think there could be some kind of legal action ?  (Or maybe your widow can sue his family or have them charged as accomplices only AFTER your murder )

1. Make sure SOMEONE ELSE, SOMEWHERE ELSE has a copy of all documentation you compile (in the event of the unthinkable)

2. Have an atty. forward all documentation thus far to his father (and family attorney) with the implication or statement that they will be held civily and criminally liable for assisting their son's future assult on your person.

Guess it's too late for S3

Quoted: If it were me, I would strike first. It may be illegal, but I'd be alive.

wow that's really fucked up.

Put some "tell-tales" on the entries to your home, day/night cams, see if work will let you keep odd/irregular hours.

Train you family members to shoot, and keep your wife informed.  Don't let his appearance be a surprise to her.

Quoted: Quoted: If it were me, I would strike first. It may be illegal, but I'd be alive.

You a professional victim?

You forgot to mention how you Informed the Authorities that the man has
threatened suicide in your presence and otherwise acted irrationally.  

The Baker Act

www.dcf.state.fl.us/mentalhealth/laws/chapter394.pdf

www.dcf.state.fl.us/mentalhealth/laws/le.pdf

Keep a detailed log of everything. Get a digitial camera with you to take pictures (with date/time stamp). Keep careful note of where the photos are taken.

Don't stalk him, or do anything that can be portrayed as such.

Quoted: Castle Doctrine in FL right?

Very much so. Though this guy knows I own firearms and would be very likely to show up with one himself. That and once I'm in my house, I am in good shape. Nobody's getting in while I'm there. What does concern me is coming home and finding this guy already inside with the advantage.

Quoted: If it were me, I would strike first. It may be illegal, but I'd be alive.

And in order to do that, you need to be able to locate the guy.

Not that I would do that, but it isn't even an option at this point.

Mmmm

Florida..
CCW with appropriate caliber firearm- check
Schtuzhund trained dog- breed of choice- check
varying routes and routines- check

urban survival kit- check
(streamlight..etc, folding blade, extra money, cell phone, extra keys)

Quoted: Quoted: Castle Doctrine in FL right? Very much so. Though this guy knows I own firearms and would be very likely to show up with one himself. That and once I'm in my house, I am in good shape. Nobody's getting in while I'm there. What does concern me is coming home and finding this guy already inside with the advantage.

learn every inch of your house, where all the best spots are for hiding and/or staging for an ambush, then check them when you think someone is in the house(with your gun already out incase someone is there). look for obvious signs of break in when you get home from work, broken windows, door busted open, even a messed up lock (happened to me the door was shut but the lock was drilled out, i know wierd).

also do you have good neighbors?
any neighbors at home during the day?  (it is florida which is retirement state)
ask them to keep an eye out for anyone suspisous.

Quoted: Quoted: If it were me, I would strike first. It may be illegal, but I'd be alive. And in order to do that, you need to be able to locate the guy. Not that I would do that, but it isn't even an option at this point.

Next time you see him, follow him. It would be to your advantage to deal with this sooner rather than later.

God forbid he gets to your family. Nutjobs should be taken seriously before they do something unthinkable.

Quoted: Simple things you need to do as a start. Aquire a couple different vehicles.  Something very nondescript.  A white Ford Taurus and a blue Toyota truck for example.  Vary your route to & from home.  Vary your time if at all possible.  Be absolutely certain HR & your supv/mgr are aware of your situation and that THEY need to be proactive in protecting you as well. Perimeter alarm and camera security is essential for your home. Talk to the local cops one on one.  Give them a description and picture of him and his vehicle. GET THE PLATE NUMBER!!!!  Provide this same info to the guard shack. Continue with your situational awareness.  You need to be alert 24/7.  No alcohol until this situation is done.  You do not need ANY distractions or imparments to your judgement. Work with the court as well.   I'm not sure if it is appropriate to contact the attorney the guy's family hired to make him aware what his client is doing.  Perhaps another ARFCOM member can answer that.

I'd add:

Give a picture of this guy to whomever mans the reception desk at your work place.  Check the alarm on your house and make sure it works.
Definitely make sure you have documented his threats.

And my if it were me:

The next face to face contact I had with him I would draw and fire until the threat is stopped.  After all, it looked like he was reaching for a gun at the small of his back. I was in fear for my life, and I thought he was there to make good on his threats. YMMV

Quoted: also do you have good neighbors? any neighbors at home during the day?  (it is florida which is retirement state) ask them to keep an eye out for anyone suspisous.

Neighbors have been informed and forwarded a profile with his photo, vehicle type, tattoo's and decription. Told them to call the police in the evnt he's seen. Called the gate house where I live and told them to erase EVERY name on my guest list. Nobody gets in without calling me first.

It drives me NUTS that I have to sit and wait for this lunatic to make a move. There's simply not enough I can do...or so it would seem, to resolve this prior to some form of confrontation. That I'd like to avoid at all costs, but he's threatened to kill me many, many times. Shit, he called my brother in law a few months ago and my mom was at their house. The call was put on speaker phone and he blatantly said he's going to come and stuff a shotgun in my B.I.L.'s mouth and blow his head off. My mom heard the whole thing.

And I get to sit and wait? All be it as prepared as possible, but still...this has got to stop.

Maybe he just wants to explain the overwhelming benefits of "network marketing" to you.

Seriously, this is really difficult to deal with. I have some experience with a schizophrenic ex-sister-in-law. It is exceedingly difficult to use rational, logical, legal methods to deal with irrational people who behave in illogical methods. In general, it's not illegal to be crazy.

I wish you the best of luck, and hope that you are able to resolve this matter in a peaceful manner. However, you've got to do what you've got to do to keep your family and yourself safe.

Bad times.  I'm sorry you have to deal with shit like this, it has to be absolutely nerve-racking.

Do you have a security system?  That won't stop him, but it will go off if he forces entry into your home.  It should go a long way to preventing him from hiding in your home and ambushing you.

confront him next time you see him, tell him to leave you alone and if he ever steps foot on your property, you will turn him into a pile of room temperature meat, then flash him your CCW. It may be illegal but this is serious shit.

Quoted: confront him next time you see him, tell him to leave you alone and if he ever steps foot on your property, you will turn him into a pile of room temperature meat, then flash him your CCW. It may be illegal but this is serious shit.

Wholly ineffective. You can't threaten schizophrenics. They simply don't think like that. It's like explaining differential calculus to a 5-year-old. They hear the words, but don't process the combination of words into a linear thought. Making personal contact with the actor will only lead to escalation, and the crazy person has the upper hand. Always.

If he's in your state you can get around the restraining order issue by calling the cops when you see him and getting him hammered by your state's stalking laws.

Also, if you don't have a decent camera, get one. Don't use one of those shitty, low-res cell phone cameras. Get a really good "point and shoot" or a D-SLR. You'll need two features,  the first being REALLY good glass and the second being a very fast start up time.

Get pictures of whatever he's driving and not just him. If his family is letting him use cars to stalk you there might be a good case for a civil suit against them as well.

It'll help a lot if you have photos to hand the cops/prosecutors of dipshit present near your home repeatedly over time. Once arrested a judge would likely make staying away from you a condition of his bond.

Check your state's stalking laws and talk to your local prosecutor's office (in person).

Let us know what happens after that.

In the end, only 1 real option.  

Can't really send the guy to prison, since a family who can afford to support a lunatic, can probably afford to hire random violent strangers to come after you in retaliation. Can't live your entire life at a maxed-out state of readiness, because that'll drive you crazy.   Self defense might work, but you're still risking retaliation by the family.  It would probably be best of the guy would just disappear one foggy night.

I remember the original thread.  Suggestions:

1.  Consider relocating your family temporarily.  Time to take a trip to Grandma's for the holidays.  

2.  Consider getting body armor and a real alarm system for your house.

3.  Look around and see if any local cops live in your community.  Have a serious 1-on-1 talk with them and let them know what is going on.

4.  Talk to your lawyer, now, about what you have seen.  Find out if there is any way his previous threats and your court action can be used to request an arrest warrant in light of him showing up at your residence.  Stalking, etc - anything that will get him picked up if the police run into him.

Tag for a positive outcome to this clusterfuck.

Best of luck my friend.

Quoted: Stalking, etc - anything that will get him picked up if the police run into him.

If your local court system has a "victim's rights advocate" like ours does, jump up and down demanding your stalker get the MMPI exam as a condition of his bond.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Multiphasic_Personality_Inventory

Quoted: It would probably be best of the guy would just disappear one foggy night.

Hey, gators gotta eat too, you know...

Quoted: confront him next time you see him, tell him to leave you alone and if he ever steps foot on your property, you will turn him into a pile of room temperature meat, then flash him your CCW. It may be illegal but this is serious shit.

Bad, bad advice. Great way to find yourself perceived as the problem rather then the victim by the authorities, and will escelate the situation rather then deter the nutburger.

I deal with floridly psychotic people nad paranoid schizophrenics on almost a daily basis. M4, I don't envy you your situation at all. I wish I could offer some assistance.

Would it be possible for some of the FL arfcom crew to spend some time around the neighborhood with camaras?

You could call his father. If he's off his meds he may have run away from home, and the father may be willing to come collect him.

I am very sorry this is happening M4.

Crazy people scare the shit outta me. They can't be reasoned with, and they don't
fear or understand consequencess of their actions.

Keep your guard up, and maybe some friends in your area can help you watch your six.

good luck to you M4.   Sounds like a real nightmare.

Quoted: Quoted: Stalking, etc - anything that will get him picked up if the police run into him. If your local court system has a "victim's rights advocate" like ours does, jump up and down demanding your stalker get the MMPI exam as a condition of his bond. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Multiphasic_Personality_Inventory

That's effective once law enforcement actually gets a hold of him. His 1st point of contact is a lot more likely with me. That's my concern...but thanks for the tip. Might come in handy.

Quoted: You could call his father. If he's off his meds he may have run away from home, and the father may be willing to come collect him.

His father is the guy who fronted a lawyer for the order of protection hearing. The lawyer was NOT there to assist in ending this. She was there to exonorate the lunatic....but had a tough time of it since even she didn't seem aware of the extent of the stalking.

Though she obviously reported my evidence to his father, because all text & voice messages stpped after that. His total lunacy and anger clearly have not.

Wow .... praying for you and yours.

Quoted: Tag for a positive outcome to this clusterfuck. Best of luck my friend.

Thanks N.Y.P.

Can you carry openly (legally). Even though this takes off the element of suprise; he may well know you are armed from a previous friendship. This means his attack (should there be one) will be hard and fast. You will need every second to get your weapon into play; and coming from concealment takes time.

At no time should you be without a long gun; whether it be in the trunk or by your side in the home. If you live alone; you should find a friend willing to help pull security at night so you can sleep.

Notify every police agency in your area that you can. You want a very well documented paper trail of his aggression should you be forced to defend yourself.

Make your home a hardened structure. Put cameras up. Get a big dog. Let this prick know you know he's there and you're capable of defending yourself.

Vary your routine. Don't leave or come home at the same time. Don't take the same route home. Ask your employer if it would be possible to randomly arrange shifts such that he can't predict when you will be at work.

Try to not go anywhere alone. There is safety in numbers; and there are witnesses in numbers.

Do not follow him or display aggression towards him. If he documents it; and you defend yourself; you could end up in a bad legal situation.

Pray. This is a serious situation. Ask the MODS to delete any posts here that advocate doing anything that would put you in legal trouble.

Invest in some kevlar. It could save your life. Check Ebay for used stuff. A lot of soldiers who buy better stuff than they were issued will sell it. Carry extra mags and a BUG. You may be in a for a shoot out.  

Quoted: Can you carry openly (legally). Even though this takes off the element of suprise; he may well know you are armed from a previous friendship. This means his attack (should there be one) will be hard and fast. You will need every second to get your weapon into play; and coming from concealment takes time. At no time should you be without a long gun; whether it be in the trunk or by your side in the home. If you live alone; you should find a friend willing to help pull security at night so you can sleep. Notify every police agency in your area that you can. You want a very well documented paper trail of his aggression should you be forced to defend yourself. Make your home a hardened structure. Put cameras up. Get a big dog. Let this prick know you know he's there and you're capable of defending yourself. Vary your routine. Don't leave or come home at the same time. Don't take the same route home. Ask your employer if it would be possible to randomly arrange shifts such that he can't predict when you will be at work. Try to not go anywhere alone. There is safety in numbers; and there are witnesses in numbers. Do not follow him or display aggression towards him. If he documents it; and you defend yourself; you could end up in a bad legal situation. Pray. This is a serious situation. Ask the MODS to delete any posts here that advocate doing anything that would put you in legal trouble. Invest in some kevlar. It could save your life. Check Ebay for used stuff. A lot of soldiers who buy better stuff than they were issued will sell it. Carry extra mags and a BUG. You may be in a for a shoot out.

+1 to above

Hire a PI to find him so you can have him under your observation. Take a week off work and turn the tables without being seen. Make his life miserable for a change. Be creative you can give as good as you get legally, just be smart about it. Do not wait to be a victim, if you successfully defend yourself and your family you are still in for a miserable time through the legal system to include the civil torte system, if his family so inclines. Sometimes the best defense is a good offense!