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Posted: 4/19/2007 7:12:07 PM EDT
I think we need to secure the oil rights in Iraq.
This was one of the topics leading up to the war and we
were told the oil would pay for the war.  I think this can still happen.

Don't you think we need to put pressure on the administration to secure
the oil and to start stocking the treasury with oil revenue?

Please tell me this is in the plan.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 7:51:18 AM EDT
It should be. I remember President Bush smirking as he told us that Iraq's oil would pay for the war. About time to make it happen.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 7:53:39 AM EDT
Maybe we need Iran's oil as well, to be sure.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 7:54:00 AM EDT
Uhhh I think that would open up a whole 'nother can of worms... Think about what would happen if we just set up shop there for the oil. Other large nations would do the same, causing massive instability in an already super unstable region. Think "the war to end all wars".

I think that knocking out the despot and then setting up the infrastructure is a better idea.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 7:54:11 AM EDT
WE BETTER NOT BE THINKING ABOUT DOING THIS





WE BETTER HAVE ALREADY DONE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 7:56:46 AM EDT
Yeah, that would definitely make us friends with the Iraqis.

And prove every muslim terrorist leader right. And every liberal wacko.

Link Posted: 4/20/2007 8:20:13 AM EDT
I wonder if North Korea has oil...

I know Venezuela does.

So yeah we need Iraqs, Irans, Syrias, and Venezuelas oil and then everytime anyone says anything about it we just Mean Mug um and threaten to take over the rest of the worlds supply and OPEC their asses into the ground.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 8:32:15 AM EDT

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Uhhh I think that would open up a whole 'nother can of worms... Think about what would happen if we just set up shop there for the oil. Other large nations would do the same, causing massive instability in an already super unstable region. Think "the war to end all wars".

I think that knocking out the despot and then setting up the infrastructure is a better idea.


And who would those large nations be?  We actually have boots on the ground in Iraq and its not completely secured yet.  Nobody is talking about invading Iran with a ground army.

Frankly, although they would never admit it, most nations would welcome American control over distribution of the region's oil reserves because we would be equitible about it, even it we profitted slightly.

Most nations that complain about "American control" over something are really bitching about the fact that they can't exercise control over that item and cheat massively to their advantage.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 9:26:04 AM EDT
Liberals would be upset????  Aren't they the ones yelling about the cost of the war?

We really should be controlling that oil and our treasury should be profiting directly from this.

Pump the oil money directly into our treasury and not just into oil companies.

What about the US just claiming ownership of all Iraq oil until the bill is paid off?
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 9:28:57 AM EDT

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Uhhh I think that would open up a whole 'nother can of worms... Think about what would happen if we just set up shop there for the oil. Other large nations would do the same, causing massive instability in an already super unstable region. Think "the war to end all wars".

I think that knocking out the despot and then setting up the infrastructure is a better idea.


Set up the infrastructure.  Sell the oil, put all the proceeds into rebuilding the country.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 9:48:19 AM EDT

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Uhhh I think that would open up a whole 'nother can of worms... Think about what would happen if we just set up shop there for the oil. Other large nations would do the same, causing massive instability in an already super unstable region. Think "the war to end all wars".

I think that knocking out the despot and then setting up the infrastructure is a better idea.


Set up the infrastructure.  Sell the oil, put all the proceeds into rebuilding the country.


That's what I'm saying is the right way to go.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 9:50:20 AM EDT

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Uhhh I think that would open up a whole 'nother can of worms... Think about what would happen if we just set up shop there for the oil. Other large nations would do the same, causing massive instability in an already super unstable region. Think "the war to end all wars".

I think that knocking out the despot and then setting up the infrastructure is a better idea.


And who would those large nations be?  We actually have boots on the ground in Iraq and its not completely secured yet.  Nobody is talking about invading Iran with a ground army.

Frankly, although they would never admit it, most nations would welcome American control over distribution of the region's oil reserves because we would be equitible about it, even it we profitted slightly.

Most nations that complain about "American control" over something are really bitching about the fact that they can't exercise control over that item and cheat massively to their advantage.


Large nations with a need for oil such as China and France. When the lifeblood of an economy (as oil is) is on the line, nations get kind of jealous. I doubt these nations would welcome what they would term American "Hegemony" in the region.

Just always trying to see the flip side of the coin. Doing anything without considering the possibilities is irrational.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 12:50:03 PM EDT

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Uhhh I think that would open up a whole 'nother can of worms... Think about what would happen if we just set up shop there for the oil. Other large nations would do the same, causing massive instability in an already super unstable region. Think "the war to end all wars".

I think that knocking out the despot and then setting up the infrastructure is a better idea.


Set up the infrastructure.  Sell the oil, put all the proceeds into rebuilding the country.


That's what is going on now. But the US does not profit from it.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 12:56:08 PM EDT

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Yeah, that would definitely make us friends with the Iraqis.
IED's are a strange way of showing friendship.

And prove every muslim terrorist leader right. And every liberal wacko.
Who the fuck cares?  The people who believe them don't listen to reason in the first place.

Link Posted: 4/20/2007 1:01:30 PM EDT
I think the Iraqi's should have the right to sell the oil to whomever they want. We don't want to burden them in any way. We need to make sure that Iraq becomes prosperous and can build there country.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 1:01:41 PM EDT

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Uhhh I think that would open up a whole 'nother can of worms... Think about what would happen if we just set up shop there for the oil. Other large nations would do the same, causing massive instability in an already super unstable region. Think "the war to end all wars".

I think that knocking out the despot and then setting up the infrastructure is a better idea.


Set up the infrastructure.  Sell the oil, put all the proceeds into rebuilding the country.


That's what I'm saying is the right way to go.


Which is exactly what is happening. The Iraqi National Oil company is selling Iraqi oil at full market rates to mostly China and India (the highest bidders).

Iraqi money is being spent on and in Iraq. US money is being mostly spent in the USA, to support the US military.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 1:02:20 PM EDT

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Yeah, that would definitely make us friends with the Iraqis.
IED's are a strange way of showing friendship.


Not every Iraqi plants IEDs, but pulling this shit would cause that to happen.

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And prove every muslim terrorist leader right. And every liberal wacko.
Who the fuck cares?  The people who believe them don't listen to reason in the first place.



Don't prove them right.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 1:03:10 PM EDT

Quoted:

Quoted:
Yeah, that would definitely make us friends with the Iraqis.
IED's are a strange way of showing friendship.

And prove every muslim terrorist leader right. And every liberal wacko.
Who the fuck cares?  The people who believe them don't listen to reason in the first place.



You mean the IEDs setup by Iranians and Syrians to blow up Iraqi's?  Take a look at where most of the attacks are. The insurgents are attacking Iraqi's.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 1:14:19 PM EDT

Quoted:
I think we need to secure the oil rights in Iraq.
This was one of the topics leading up to the war and we
were told the oil would pay for the war.
 I think this can still happen.

Don't you think we need to put pressure on the administration to secure
the oil and to start stocking the treasury with oil revenue?

Please tell me this is in the plan.



That was just one of the lies and inaccuracies used to sell the war to the American people. Ya sure, it would only cost $50 billion and we would make up the cost in lower oil prices. And the Iraqis would greet us as liberators.

By the way, "gullible" is a word that doesn't appear in any dictionaries. It's true. See for yourself.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 1:18:13 PM EDT

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Maybe we need Iran's oil as well, to be sure.


Reminds me of a Bumpersticker:  " Nuke their Ass, and Take the Gas "
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 1:19:59 PM EDT

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Uhhh I think that would open up a whole 'nother can of worms... Think about what would happen if we just set up shop there for the oil. Other large nations would do the same, causing massive instability in an already super unstable region. Think "the war to end all wars".

I think that knocking out the despot and then setting up the infrastructure is a better idea.


Set up the infrastructure.  Sell the oil, put all the proceeds into rebuilding the country.


That's what I'm saying is the right way to go.


Which is exactly what is happening. The Iraqi National Oil company is selling Iraqi oil at full market rates to mostly China and India (the highest bidders).

Iraqi money is being spent on and in Iraq. US money is being mostly spent in the USA, to support the US military.


Right on.

I don't think the thread was started with this in mind. The OP I think was advocating the old "Kick their @$$ and take their gas" line, and I don't think that's the right way to go...
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 1:21:54 PM EDT
Stealing is wrong.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 2:21:15 PM EDT

Quoted:
I think we need to secure the oil rights in Iraq.
This was one of the topics leading up to the war and we
were told the oil would pay for the war.  I think this can still happen.


So, just because we know some leader of some country that does not toe the prefered line by our (eminent) leaders, means we get to steal their oil (resources)? This is BS from the get go.


Don't you think we need to put pressure on the administration to secure
the oil and to start stocking the treasury with oil revenue?


Only if you want to make this 'action' part of the USoA energy policy:: "You get in our face and we steal your resources"
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 3:00:09 PM EDT
Do you know why the French were so against the Iraq war?  They had been given a huge amount of credits of cheap Iraqi oil, credit they could only collect from Saddam.

That is why they supplied chemicals and equipment to Iraq.  Chemicals that were used to make nerve gas.

Yeah, the old oil for food program.  A number of countries and UN "leaders" were getting a cut as long as Saddam was in power.

I don't care who gets Iraqi oil, as long as it isn't the French and it isn't the UN.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 6:46:25 PM EDT
Liberals are upset no matter what. So long as there is no hard-core socialist in the white house and the marxist ageneda is not being advanced fast enough, they will continue to be upset.

So F'em, yeah let's get that oil. A grateful Iraq should be more than willing to pay us back once they've stabilized by providing us that much-coveted oil.

They ARE grateful for the sacrifice right? They lamented Saddam's rule but never removed him, America did that, so perhaps they should consider that "maybe" they do owe America for the time, money, and blood we've put into helping them.

And another thing; this insurgency, ain't it something? If they could have fielded this against Saddam......why, they wouldn't have needed our help, eh?

I don't know, they seem ungrateful to me. I don't think that them providing us enough oil to lower gas prices here is too much to ask, or even demand, if it comes to that.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 6:49:08 PM EDT
We already have control,anyone who thinks otherwise has blinders on.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 7:00:31 PM EDT
He who has an army on top of the oil, decides where the oil (and revenue) goes .
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 7:14:06 PM EDT
Since the Democrats have guaranteed that we won't be there much longer who's going to stop Iran from getting Iraq's oil? After all, they fought a 9 year war with Iraq for it from 1980 to 1989.

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