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Posted: 10/27/2013 4:35:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/30/2013 6:48:51 AM EST by BIKECOP29]
Which would you have for your non-firearm SHTF arsenal?

Update. Getting a Cold Steel Assegai Long Shaft Spear and a gigantic ceremonial kukri (23 1/4" blade; 31" overall).
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 4:37:28 PM EST
of the above, spear by far.

but i'd prefer a halberd.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 4:38:21 PM EST
Pollaxe
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 4:39:55 PM EST
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That's racist!

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Link Posted: 10/27/2013 4:43:01 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 4:43:04 PM EST
Lucerne Hammer



Link Posted: 10/27/2013 4:44:21 PM EST
What's the difference between a javelin and a spear?
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Originally Posted By sirensong:
of the above, spear by far.

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but i'd prefer a halberd.

In an open terrain, I can see the halberd being king.

Making way through narrow hallways, you could still utilize the spear,javelin, or trident pretty effectively.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 4:45:40 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 4:47:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2013 4:52:39 PM EST by Miles_Urbanus]
Many people today don't realize it was the spear and later the pike that were the primary weapon of most armies in antiquity. Swords were merely side arms for those with rank.

Having done a bit of fighting against spearmen in the SCA showed me how devastating a spear can be. Imagine getting slamed in the faced with a 9 foot pole being driven with a full lunge. Snaps your head back at a minimum and ive seen a few guys knocked out cold.

A blacksmith forms a spearhead the exact same way he makes a spade.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 4:49:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BIKECOP29:
but i'd prefer a halberd.
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Originally Posted By BIKECOP29:
Originally Posted By sirensong:
of the above, spear by far.

but i'd prefer a halberd.

In an open terrain, I can see the halberd being king.

Making way through narrow hallways, you could still utilize the spear,javelin, or trident pretty effectively.

halberd was designed as both a slashing and a thrusting weapon. i suspect you're thinking of a pollaxe, which often features a thrusting spike rather than a leaf blade.

edit: to clarify, a pollaxe was primarily an impact/BFT weapon with the thrust spike as secondary. halberd dispensed with the hammer, and emphasized slash and thrust with a more pronounced spearlike point.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 4:50:01 PM EST
When I was in Africa I was in a not tourist area and theire was a blacksmith in a street ally making spears for lion and other predators for the local tribes. I picked up a spar with the spear head and tale I still have yet to put in on a pole but it is stored away right now. It is nothing fancy I think he made it from leaf springs from an old truck.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 4:54:04 PM EST
You might as well go with the most versatile. Poleaxe.



Link Posted: 10/27/2013 4:58:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gelgoog:
You might as well go with the most versatile. Poleaxe.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys/Weapons/poleaxe_halberd_02.jpg

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only advantage of the hammer is against metal plate, and for that you pay a weight/handling penalty. in most cases, the halberd would be a more flexible and practical weapon.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:01:46 PM EST
I'll take throwing stars and numb chucks.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:03:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By sirensong:

only advantage of the hammer is against metal plate, and for that you pay a weight/handling penalty. in most cases, the halberd would be a more flexible and practical weapon.
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Originally Posted By sirensong:
Originally Posted By Gelgoog:
You might as well go with the most versatile. Poleaxe.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys/Weapons/poleaxe_halberd_02.jpg


only advantage of the hammer is against metal plate, and for that you pay a weight/handling penalty. in most cases, the halberd would be a more flexible and practical weapon.


Hammer is for tent spikes and making hamburgers
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:03:51 PM EST
A sword or heavier blade.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:07:05 PM EST
I've got a Javelin but I don't know if it will help me much if the SHTF.

Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:09:18 PM EST
Many variations of spears for differing uses.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:10:39 PM EST
the only logical choice is the one equipped with MIRV's
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:14:47 PM EST
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Hammer is for tent spikes and making hamburgers
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Originally Posted By sirensong:
Originally Posted By Gelgoog:
You might as well go with the most versatile. Poleaxe.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys/Weapons/poleaxe_halberd_02.jpg


only advantage of the hammer is against metal plate, and for that you pay a weight/handling penalty. in most cases, the halberd would be a more flexible and practical weapon.


Hammer is for tent spikes and making hamburgers

shit.

you win.
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Originally Posted By BIKECOP29:
Originally Posted By sirensong:
of the above, spear by far.

but i'd prefer a halberd.

In an open terrain, I can see the halberd being king.

Making way through narrow hallways, you could still utilize the spear,javelin, or trident pretty effectively.

halberd was designed as both a slashing and a thrusting weapon. i suspect you're thinking of a pollaxe, which often features a thrusting spike rather than a leaf blade.

edit: to clarify, a pollaxe was primarily an impact/BFT weapon with the thrust spike as secondary. halberd dispensed with the hammer, and emphasized slash and thrust with a more pronounced spearlike point.

Yes, I was thinking about the poleaxe without the thrusting point.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:20:37 PM EST
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That's pretty badass.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:22:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DeSeRT_RaT_7:
What's the difference between a javelin and a spear?
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IIRC, the javelin is generally shorter, lighter, and mainly used in throwing
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Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:23:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BIKECOP29:

In an open terrain, I can see the halberd being king.

Making way through narrow hallways, you could still utilize the spear,javelin, or trident pretty effectively.

halberd was designed as both a slashing and a thrusting weapon. i suspect you're thinking of a pollaxe, which often features a thrusting spike rather than a leaf blade.

edit: to clarify, a pollaxe was primarily an impact/BFT weapon with the thrust spike as secondary. halberd dispensed with the hammer, and emphasized slash and thrust with a more pronounced spearlike point.

Yes, I was thinking about the poleaxe without the thrusting point.
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Originally Posted By BIKECOP29:
Originally Posted By sirensong:
Originally Posted By BIKECOP29:
Originally Posted By sirensong:
of the above, spear by far.
but i'd prefer a halberd.

In an open terrain, I can see the halberd being king.

Making way through narrow hallways, you could still utilize the spear,javelin, or trident pretty effectively.

halberd was designed as both a slashing and a thrusting weapon. i suspect you're thinking of a pollaxe, which often features a thrusting spike rather than a leaf blade.

edit: to clarify, a pollaxe was primarily an impact/BFT weapon with the thrust spike as secondary. halberd dispensed with the hammer, and emphasized slash and thrust with a more pronounced spearlike point.

Yes, I was thinking about the poleaxe without the thrusting point.



Then you would have an long hafted axe.





I have one of these. super light and more durable then your typical axe.

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Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:27:53 PM EST
First pila (I have a pair of them) thrown at the enemy, the momentum causes the pointy end to go right through:



Followed by disembowelment with my gladius:


Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:29:12 PM EST
Trident
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Naginata
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Originally Posted By Neuraleanus:
First pila (I have a pair of them) thrown at the enemy, the momentum causes the pointy end to go right through:

http://www.legiotricesima.org/images/pila01.jpg

Followed by disembowelment with my gladius:

http://www.legiotricesima.org/images/gutmannGladius2.jpg
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Very nice!


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Originally Posted By Gelgoog:



Then you would have an long hafted axe.

http://images.knifecenter.com/thumb/1500x1500/knifecenter/coldsteel/images/CS89PA.jpg

http://www.equinoxcoronado.com/hawks/multiCane1/cane7.jpg

I have one of these. super light and more durable then your typical axe.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/762shooter/Picture955.jpg
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Originally Posted By BIKECOP29:
Originally Posted By sirensong:
Originally Posted By BIKECOP29:
Originally Posted By sirensong:
of the above, spear by far.
but i'd prefer a halberd.

In an open terrain, I can see the halberd being king.

Making way through narrow hallways, you could still utilize the spear,javelin, or trident pretty effectively.

halberd was designed as both a slashing and a thrusting weapon. i suspect you're thinking of a pollaxe, which often features a thrusting spike rather than a leaf blade.

edit: to clarify, a pollaxe was primarily an impact/BFT weapon with the thrust spike as secondary. halberd dispensed with the hammer, and emphasized slash and thrust with a more pronounced spearlike point.

Yes, I was thinking about the poleaxe without the thrusting point.



Then you would have an long hafted axe.

http://images.knifecenter.com/thumb/1500x1500/knifecenter/coldsteel/images/CS89PA.jpg

http://www.equinoxcoronado.com/hawks/multiCane1/cane7.jpg

I have one of these. super light and more durable then your typical axe.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/762shooter/Picture955.jpg

Where did you get that?
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Originally Posted By DeSeRT_RaT_7:
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Spears tend to be a thrusting weapon, used one or two handed. Javelins are shorter and are primary a thrown weapon. A Javelin will have a dramatic shock value but its a one-shot weapon, while a thrusting spear keeps operating as long as you have the strength to use it.

I would go spear or a shortened poleaxe as a primary. Having a few javelins available to toss at an oncoming enemy is a good thing, especially if you have a Roman-style pilum (the shank on the pilum will bend when it hits a target or the ground, so it cannot be tossed back at you).
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Originally Posted By BIKECOP29:

Very nice!


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Originally Posted By BIKECOP29:
Originally Posted By Neuraleanus:
First pila (I have a pair of them) thrown at the enemy, the momentum causes the pointy end to go right through:

http://www.legiotricesima.org/images/pila01.jpg

Followed by disembowelment with my gladius:

http://www.legiotricesima.org/images/gutmannGladius2.jpg

Very nice!




Nice indeed - that's what I get for replying before finishing the thread!
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:42:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BIKECOP29:

Where did you get that?
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http://www.equinoxcoronado.com/hawks/Gen%201%20Mk%20V.html

Pretty reasonably priced IMHO. send them an email to get on their list.

His webpage sucks, but he is the best thing out there for lightweight hawks. He does composite handles that are very durable, and uses excellent cold steel heads that have a lifetime warranty.

I use my long hafted hawk as a walking stick when I go backpacking.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:45:07 PM EST
I have drawn up some plans for a pole arm I call a Noggenlopper. One day I'll get around to making it.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:47:41 PM EST
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A sword or heavier blade.
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Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:48:46 PM EST
Spear. It may be used as a cudgel and good for cooking game.
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"Impressive. Can you use it?"
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:56:14 PM EST
Pike or rapparre
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I'd supply myself with bang sticks.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 9:03:27 PM EST
Fail. No option for Shaolin spade.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 9:38:17 PM EST
oddly, I was just looking at my American Indian spear I used to use in reenactments, needs sharpening, but think I would go with a bayonet on the end of a rifle that also shoots bullets.Saw the bayonet thread.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 9:43:30 PM EST
sling
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:17:25 PM EST
Naganata, pretty much a samurai sword on a long ass handle.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:23:41 PM EST
cockmeat and javelin are tied. Hai guize!
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:31:31 PM EST




Trident FTMFW
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:32:23 PM EST
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