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Posted: 2/14/2017 5:26:23 PM EDT
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Someone has been watching the Expanse
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Posted: 2/14/2017 5:27:35 PM EDT
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Weren't you on board with socialism during the Republican primary?
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Posted: 2/14/2017 5:27:52 PM EDT
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Once there is money and resources to be found in space, the reach of government will be there.
Your post made me think of The Expanse. Have you watched that (currently in 2nd season)? |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 5:28:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/14/2017 5:29:59 PM EDT
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There are still many places on earth out of reach of governments and life in those places is harsh. Not anywhere near as harsh as life in space would be though.
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Posted: 2/14/2017 5:30:11 PM EDT
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Weren't you on board with socialism during the Republican primary? I was on board with Nationalism (ie pride in one's country and the belief that America comes first). Fuck Socialism..... if you've followed my threads throughout the elections and on here in general. You'd know that I hate Socialists and would rather have them chucked out of planes and helicopters like Pinochet did. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 5:31:11 PM EDT
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Once there is money and resources to be found in space, the reach of government will be there. Your post made me think of The Expanse. Have you watched that (currently in 2nd season)? |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 5:32:30 PM EDT
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Well, other than that. I've been a huge fan and supporter of Space Colonization for a long while. I;m also a huge fan and supporter of frontier living and colonization of new lands. My family did it..... I want to do the same. Your family did it here on Earth - with all of its resources. What are you going to do, and with what? What will this freedom of space colonization on a dusty barren rock gain you exactly? A.W.D. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 5:33:47 PM EDT
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Your family did it here on Earth - with all of its resources. What are you going to do, and with what? What will this freedom of space colonization on a dusty barren rock gain you exactly? A.W.D. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 5:36:27 PM EDT
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Fun to think about, but unless we find a planet that is habitable as it is it won't happen. Any type of colony would be under the governments thumb.
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Posted: 2/14/2017 5:38:15 PM EDT
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Fun to think about, but unless we find a planet that is habitable as it is it won't happen. Any type of colony would be under the governments thumb. And US citizens will be liable for federal income tax no matter where in the Universe they are. It's already that way on Earth, space will be no different. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 5:38:35 PM EDT
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Do you want space pirates? 'Cause thats how you get space pirates.
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Posted: 2/14/2017 5:49:29 PM EDT
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You may have noticed I've been saying this alot lately.
"The leftists will bring about the extinction of the human race, if allowed." I've been saying that for the exact reasons you brought up. Leftists have no interest in human technological advancement or exploration, they are content to stay here sitting in the mud til a big rock or viruses wipes us all out. Earth is a single point of failure, we must colonize other places for the human race to continue long-term. Escaping the reaches of ever growing power hungry government is another reason in itself. I personally believe the Chinese and Indians are genetic leftists and will never seek to leave Earth to colonize the stars in any meaningful way. Look at the last 5000 years of their history they never really left their areas of the planet. Planet Earth will become over populated by the descendants of the Chinese and Indians, I'm convinced of that, but hopefully long after Americas descendants leave Earth in significant numbers. That's my hope anyway. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 5:59:47 PM EDT
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No more so that out at sea I would think. Quite lawless and scary from what I read to be out at sea, middle of the Pacific.
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:00:46 PM EDT
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Isn't it a little early for the annual "Guns in Space" thread?
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:02:17 PM EDT
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Do you want space pirates? 'Cause thats how you get space pirates. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:03:43 PM EDT
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Isn't it a little early for the annual "Guns in Space" thread? |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:06:28 PM EDT
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Star Fleet will still find you and make you join the UFP.
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:06:34 PM EDT
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No we need to feed crack babies instead.
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:07:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:10:15 PM EDT
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I agree we got to get out of this gravity well as a species. Preferably not just earth's gravity well but Sol's gravity well also. But the technology ain't there yet. It will be awhile before we leave earth in a size-able way and even longer before we leave the solar system if ever. Not to mention humans will still be assholes even in outer space. The Expanse series sort of makes that a theme.
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:11:26 PM EDT
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You may have noticed I've been saying this alot lately. "The leftists will bring about the extinction of the human race, if allowed." I've been saying that for the exact reasons you brought up. Leftists have no interest in human technological advancement or exploration, they are content to stay here sitting in the mud til a big rock or viruses wipes us all out. Earth is a single point of failure, we must colonize other places for the human race to continue long-term. Escaping the reaches of ever growing power hungry government is another reason in itself. I personally believe the Chinese and Indians are genetic leftists and will never seek to leave Earth to colonize the stars in any meaningful way. Look at the last 5000 years of their history they never really left their areas of the planet. Planet Earth will become over populated by the descendants of the Chinese and Indians, I'm convinced of that, but hopefully long after Americas descendants leave Earth in significant numbers. That's my hope anyway. They'd rather have a bunch of savages living in mud huts than have people reach for the stars. Hence they continue to spend our dollars on a system that allows the reproduction of savagez instead of directing those funds to the future advancement of our species. As for China and India. They never expanded beyond their borders because they were never one unified peoples. India of today is a modern construct made up from thousands of principalities and petty kingdoms that served the British Empire. China was different ethnic grous vying for control of the remains of the Mongol Empires. True freedom was the Frontiers of the West, the unsettled islands of the Caribbean, and the vast lands of Africa. Colonies were the furthest one can escape from the center of power. Society is give and take. True freedom is living in the woods fighting mother nature. The Frontier was the closest to that with some connection to society still in place |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:12:45 PM EDT
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Star Fleet will still find you and make you join the UFP. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:13:52 PM EDT
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I agree we got to get out of this gravity well as a species. Preferably not just earth's gravity well but Sol's gravity well also. But the technology ain't there yet. It will be awhile before we leave earth in a size-able way and even longer before we leave the solar system if ever. Not to mention humans will still be assholes even in outer space. The Expanse series sort of makes that a theme. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:16:07 PM EDT
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Proxima is the place you seek.
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:16:38 PM EDT
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Since about age 9 I have thought the same. Mankind needs to frontiers to grow as a species. There are people made for exploring and those made for staying behind.
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:16:39 PM EDT
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Space is the last place you're going to find freedom. People living in confined spaces depending on finite resources for survival and daily life are going to, by necessity, be governed by strict rules and protocols. You won't be allowed to take a 10 minute shower in space, let alone produce and sell resources for a profit and deny resources to anyone who can't afford to pay for them. You are going to have to have full blown "from each according to his ability to each according to his needs" communism in order for any colony to survive more than 20 minutes in outer space.
That said, I fully support the exploration and colonization of outer space and think that we should be much farther ahead than we are today. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:18:41 PM EDT
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LOL no.
any colony will be very heavily self regulated at best. cant have people wasting oxygen. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:19:43 PM EDT
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We as a species need to get off this rock and spread for numerous reasons. But the biggest one is freedom. We need to have frontiers again where the reach of governments can't be found. What say you? 
I'd go out to either Mars or the Belt. Hell, if we could I'd go to the Moons of Jupiter or Saturn. The frontier is always the place were true freedom exists. Statists hate exploration since undiscovered lands bring freedom. The already conquered and subdued lands breed nothing but control and despotism. New lands and frontiers breed individualism and liberty. There's no Socialism in the frontier since Socialists starve to death and die. The idea sounds nice, but unfortunately there are a number of problems with that idea. A couple that come to mind: - Except for Earth, the planets and moons in the Sol system are unreachable and uninhabitable without using very expensive technology. You can't just get in your car, drive there, and build a log cabin. - If you can get there, so can the US government, which will continue to exercise control. As a historical example, in the Old West, Army officers were appointed as military governors of various regions. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:20:41 PM EDT
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LOL no. any colony will be very heavily self regulated at best. cant have people wasting oxygen. Or selling oxygen and denying oxygen to anyone who can't pay for it. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:22:09 PM EDT
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Space is the last place you're going to find freedom. People living in confined spaces depending on finite resources for survival and daily life are going to, by necessity, be governed by strict rules and protocols. You won't be allowed to take a 10 minute shower in space, let alone produce and sell resources for a profit and deny resources to anyone who can't afford to pay for them. You are going to have to have full blown "from each according to his ability to each according to his needs" communism in order for any colony to survive more than 20 minutes in outer space. That said, I fully support the exploration and colonization of outer space and think that we should be much farther ahead than we are today. New Frontiers on Earth were similar to having nothing and yet we as a species have taken over much of it. Hell, I'd go antarctic if I could settle the fucking place and call it my own. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:26:29 PM EDT
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Since about age 9 I have thought the same. Mankind needs to frontiers to grow as a species. There are people made for exploring and those made for staying behind. Astute, and accurate. I'm currently reading a book called The Collapse of Complex Societies, and while it's ostensibly an archaeology text, it offers very interesting insights about technology as it relates to the human condition. As we spend more and more energy (literally and figuratively) solving less and less meaningful problems, societies implode. Big minds attacking big problems is where societies grow, flourish, and propagate. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:27:29 PM EDT
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Space would need extreme vetting to keep jihadi douchebags from Allah Akbaring a 1/4 mile or larger asteroid back to earth.
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:28:15 PM EDT
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Numerous SciFis have.... The Expanse, Firefly, etc..... even Space Operas like Star Wars. Agreed, the Expanse is just one of the more recent. I am half way through the 6th book and the level of asshole got really high in the 5th book and is continuing in this book. I would like to see us make more effort to develop technology to get off this rock with out burning metric fuck-tonnes of fossil fuels but there are very few possible technologies to accomplish this. I think realistically we will only ever move a few people off earth and breed a new population outside of this gravity well. The idea of a mass exodus as we have had at the opening of other frontiers is likely not going to happen with the space frontier. The energy and technology needed is simply to high for individuals and small groups to pull off without a paradigm shifting technology break through. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:29:11 PM EDT
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I doubt that.... many frontier settlements were pretty much "Work or Starve". Socialism was tried at Jamestown and it lead to people dying of starvation. Capitalism was introduced and it succeeded. New Frontiers on Earth were similar to having nothing and yet we as a species have taken over much of it. Hell, I'd go antarctic if I could settle the fucking place and call it my own. I don't see how you can so easily compare early frontier life on earth with space exploration. They're totally different. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:30:36 PM EDT
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I doubt that.... many frontier settlements were pretty much "Work or Starve". Socialism was tried at Jamestown and it lead to people dying of starvation. Capitalism was introduced and it succeeded. New Frontiers on Earth were similar to having nothing and yet we as a species have taken over much of it. Hell, I'd go antarctic if I could settle the fucking place and call it my own. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Space is the last place you're going to find freedom. People living in confined spaces depending on finite resources for survival and daily life are going to, by necessity, be governed by strict rules and protocols. You won't be allowed to take a 10 minute shower in space, let alone produce and sell resources for a profit and deny resources to anyone who can't afford to pay for them. You are going to have to have full blown "from each according to his ability to each according to his needs" communism in order for any colony to survive more than 20 minutes in outer space. That said, I fully support the exploration and colonization of outer space and think that we should be much farther ahead than we are today. New Frontiers on Earth were similar to having nothing and yet we as a species have taken over much of it. Hell, I'd go antarctic if I could settle the fucking place and call it my own. Doubt it all you want, but the fact of the matter is that any colony is going to have to live in a tin can and be supplied from outside sources. You're not going to be able to claim a plot of land on Planet X, build a cabin, raise pigs and grow green beans for sale in town. You're going to have an assigned living space, an assigned role to fulfill and you are going to be provided a ration of resources provided from outside source, unless/until the colony facility can be built large enough to support a greenhouse of some type in which a finite amount of food can be produced to feed the colony, and even after that happens, it will be a finite amount of food which will be rationed among the inhabitants. Anything that the colony produces to sustain itself is going to have to be rationed and distributed evenly because all of those resources are going to be extremely limited and expansion is going to be limited for a very long time. It would take a very long time to grow a colony to the point where someone can choose what they want to produce and distribute it at a profit, and by that time the inhabitants will be several generations ingrained into a communist distribution method. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:39:29 PM EDT
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We as a species need to get off this rock and spread for numerous reasons. But the biggest one is freedom. We need to have frontiers again where the reach of governments can't be found. What say you? I'd go out to either Mars or the Belt. Hell, if we could I'd go to the Moons of Jupiter or Saturn. The frontier is always the place were true freedom exists. Statists hate exploration since undiscovered lands bring freedom. The already conquered and subdued lands breed nothing but control and despotism. New lands and frontiers breed individualism and liberty. There's no Socialism in the frontier since Socialists starve to death and die. I think you'll have a hard time not having government in space. I would expect that the regulatory/procedural environment would make the most highly regulated society today look a lot like anarchy. The environment is so unforgiving that "going it alone" is one of the quicker paths to dying of hypoxia/suffocation. Selling almost anything necessary for survival to someone is going to be heavily regulated, as "the market" isn't an adequate control on things what WILL kill you if screwed up (think airplane certification requirements, except that a screwed up airplane part is much less likely to kill you than a slightly screwed up airlock in space or on a hostile environment planet). If you want to go it alone or have unregulated trade/services, you're going to have to find a planet on which you can at least survive without "heroic measures" just to provide a breathable atmosphere and water. Mike |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:40:50 PM EDT
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I doubt that.... many frontier settlements were pretty much "Work or Starve". Socialism was tried at Jamestown and it lead to people dying of starvation. Capitalism was introduced and it succeeded. New Frontiers on Earth were similar to having nothing and yet we as a species have taken over much of it. Hell, I'd go antarctic if I could settle the fucking place and call it my own. While places on Earth can be inhospitable, they are all habitable with relatively rudimentary work, fucking Eskimos. Where as you wouldn't last a minute anywhere off this planet without overt life support systems. As there is not another known Earth yet, and certainly not one withing our solar system, in no way will the frontier of space be similar to those of Earth. Except for the people and the shit they bring with them. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:41:34 PM EDT
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Space is the last place you're going to find freedom. People living in confined spaces depending on finite resources for survival and daily life are going to, by necessity, be governed by strict rules and protocols. Yup. The ISS provides a good example. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:43:01 PM EDT
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I think you'll have a hard time not having government in space. I would expect that the regulatory/procedural environment would make the most highly regulated society today look a lot like anarchy. The environment is so unforgiving that "going it alone" is one of the quicker paths to dying of hypoxia/suffocation. Selling almost anything necessary for survival to someone is going to be heavily regulated, as "the market" isn't an adequate control on things what WILL kill you if screwed up (think airplane certification requirements, except that a screwed up airplane part is much less likely to kill you than a slightly screwed up airlock in space or on a hostile environment planet). If you want to go it alone or have unregulated trade/services, you're going to have to find a planet on which you can at least survive without "heroic measures" just to provide a breathable atmosphere and water. Mike A lot of settler on older frontiers died trying to make it on their own. Some of them made it anyway. If we come up with a better propulsion system and a few other technologies it could become viable to make it on your own off-world. Certainly not with current tech but I think it will happen one day. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:43:32 PM EDT
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We as a species need to get off this rock and spread for numerous reasons. But the biggest one is freedom. We need to have frontiers again where the reach of governments can't be found. What say you? I'd go out to either Mars or the Belt. Hell, if we could I'd go to the Moons of Jupiter or Saturn. The frontier is always the place were true freedom exists. Statists hate exploration since undiscovered lands bring freedom. The already conquered and subdued lands breed nothing but control and despotism. New lands and frontiers breed individualism and liberty. There's no Socialism in the frontier since Socialists starve to death and die. the only problem with your theory, is unless we terraform someplace first, you will be a hostage to whomever supply the oxygen. You won't be escaping any government. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:52:35 PM EDT
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the only problem with your theory, is unless we terraform someplace first, you will be a hostage to whomever supply the oxygen. You won't be escaping any government. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We as a species need to get off this rock and spread for numerous reasons. But the biggest one is freedom. We need to have frontiers again where the reach of governments can't be found. What say you? I'd go out to either Mars or the Belt. Hell, if we could I'd go to the Moons of Jupiter or Saturn. The frontier is always the place were true freedom exists. Statists hate exploration since undiscovered lands bring freedom. The already conquered and subdued lands breed nothing but control and despotism. New lands and frontiers breed individualism and liberty. There's no Socialism in the frontier since Socialists starve to death and die. the only problem with your theory, is unless we terraform someplace first, you will be a hostage to whomever supply the oxygen. You won't be escaping any government. And we really can't do that. Mars cannot support an atmosphere because it's magnetic field is so weak that any atmosphere we tried to create by pumping out greenhouse gases would be blown away by solar winds. If you go out any farther than Mars then you're going to have the problem of it being too far from the sun for temperatures to be high enough to prevent anyone from freezing to death as soon as the outer hatch opens. Space colonists are going to have to live in a structure. That structure could one day be an enormous dome of some kind, maybe miles wide, but that would not be any time soon. Until then it is going to be limited oxygen, limited heat, limited water, limited food, limited clothing, limited living space, etc. It would probably be hundreds of years before a colony could grow large enough to support building a dome and having people living and working inside of it, producing enough resources where things could be offered for sale at a profit. But by that time, people will have lived for generations under a system of rationed resources, committee decisions making and working for the good of the colony without direct compensation. It will be an ingrained system of pure Marxist communism. Now, there could still be social rights, like free speech, freedom of religion, privacy rights (to what extent they are possible), rights of self preservation (although allowing people living in a space can or a dome to own a gun is going to be highly impractical), right to a fair trial, etc. It wouldn't necessarily need to be the Soviet Union or a police state. That said, I still support the idea of colonizing space fully. The advancement and future survival of humanity is more important than preserving capitalism. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:56:14 PM EDT
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Astute, and accurate. I'm currently reading a book called The Collapse of Complex Societies, and while it's ostensibly an archaeology text, it offers very interesting insights about technology as it relates to the human condition. As we spend more and more energy (literally and figuratively) solving less and less meaningful problems, societies implode. Big minds attacking big problems is where societies grow, flourish, and propagate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since about age 9 I have thought the same. Mankind needs to frontiers to grow as a species. There are people made for exploring and those made for staying behind. Astute, and accurate. I'm currently reading a book called The Collapse of Complex Societies, and while it's ostensibly an archaeology text, it offers very interesting insights about technology as it relates to the human condition. As we spend more and more energy (literally and figuratively) solving less and less meaningful problems, societies implode. Big minds attacking big problems is where societies grow, flourish, and propagate. Space is the next frontier. We need to invest heavily into it. And not the bullshit about sending teachers into low earth orbit. We need to focus on settlements on the Moon and that needs to be part of the long term goal of reaching Mars. We need to drop the idea of not contaminating other planets and instead start looking at bio-engineering life that can survive on harsh environments for our benefit. We need to focus on long term goals and we need to start now. 40 years ago we argued about getting off oil and all we did was argue. We're still on it. We need to do what we did in the 1960s. We went from slide rulers and graph paper to landing a man on the moon. We have more computing power in our phones today then all of the Apollo Program had during the entire run of the missions. We can do this and we must. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:58:40 PM EDT
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Agreed, the Expanse is just one of the more recent. I am half way through the 6th book and the level of asshole got really high in the 5th book and is continuing in this book. I would like to see us make more effort to develop technology to get off this rock with out burning metric fuck-tonnes of fossil fuels but there are very few possible technologies to accomplish this. I think realistically we will only ever move a few people off earth and breed a new population outside of this gravity well. The idea of a mass exodus as we have had at the opening of other frontiers is likely not going to happen with the space frontier. The energy and technology needed is simply to high for individuals and small groups to pull off without a paradigm shifting technology break through. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Numerous SciFis have.... The Expanse, Firefly, etc..... even Space Operas like Star Wars. Agreed, the Expanse is just one of the more recent. I am half way through the 6th book and the level of asshole got really high in the 5th book and is continuing in this book. I would like to see us make more effort to develop technology to get off this rock with out burning metric fuck-tonnes of fossil fuels but there are very few possible technologies to accomplish this. I think realistically we will only ever move a few people off earth and breed a new population outside of this gravity well. The idea of a mass exodus as we have had at the opening of other frontiers is likely not going to happen with the space frontier. The energy and technology needed is simply to high for individuals and small groups to pull off without a paradigm shifting technology break through. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 7:00:58 PM EDT
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Any place you can get to, .gov can get to and claim it as their own. Then they'll apply boots to the inhabitants' necks.
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Posted: 2/14/2017 7:01:22 PM EDT
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A lot of settler on older frontiers died trying to make it on their own. Some of them made it anyway. If we come up with a better propulsion system and a few other technologies it could become viable to make it on your own off-world. Certainly not with current tech but I think it will happen one day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think you'll have a hard time not having government in space. I would expect that the regulatory/procedural environment would make the most highly regulated society today look a lot like anarchy. The environment is so unforgiving that "going it alone" is one of the quicker paths to dying of hypoxia/suffocation. Selling almost anything necessary for survival to someone is going to be heavily regulated, as "the market" isn't an adequate control on things what WILL kill you if screwed up (think airplane certification requirements, except that a screwed up airplane part is much less likely to kill you than a slightly screwed up airlock in space or on a hostile environment planet). If you want to go it alone or have unregulated trade/services, you're going to have to find a planet on which you can at least survive without "heroic measures" just to provide a breathable atmosphere and water. Mike A lot of settler on older frontiers died trying to make it on their own. Some of them made it anyway. If we come up with a better propulsion system and a few other technologies it could become viable to make it on your own off-world. Certainly not with current tech but I think it will happen one day. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 7:03:17 PM EDT
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What's missing is an impetus to leave Earth.
Another species about the same technologically, and hostile to us. A Niburu, an object visible to us, hurtling towards our planet with enough force to obliterate all life here, giving us a narrow time table to assemble an ark or arks. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 7:03:31 PM EDT
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We have nuclear power but the Leftists have pushed Cultural Marxism on it to keep it from being further developed. Splitting the atom and actually fusing the atom is part of the key of getting off this rock. Leftists would rather have us trapped on this dirtball. Hence they continuing push to dumb down society and people as a whole. The even more insidious truth is that environmentalists long ago bought into propaganda pushed by Soviet agents who wanted to limit America's development of nuclear capabilities in order to prevent our advancement beyond them. The Watermelons are truly nothing short of useful idiots of the Soviet Union who was trying to destroy us from within. Today, the global climate change alarmists are pushing propaganda in America to limit our development while China and India are left largely unaffected by these limitations so that they can increase their 'sustainable development.' None of this environmental bullshit has anything to do with saving humanity or the planet. It is all about our enemies and rivals getting a leg up on us. 
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Posted: 2/14/2017 7:04:17 PM EDT
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We have to start somewhere..... why not now? This bullshit of kicking the can down the road will lead us to our deaths. Does this non-governmental freedom frontier space program have a gofundme page? Where can we donate? |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 7:05:12 PM EDT
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Mars won't be a nice place to visit until after a long time of terraforming.
And maybe an artificial magnetic field to keep cosmic rays and shit from giving you cancer. |
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