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Posted: 9/11/2013 4:57:43 AM EDT
WASHINGTON — Boeing and Saab are discussing a partnership on the US Air Force’s trainer replacement program, multiple industry sources have told Defense News.

If the arrangement goes forward, it opens the door for each to capture a long-delayed, highly prized Air Force contract to replace its aging T-38 trainers. The service intends to purchase 350 new trainers, likely pushing the contract award into the billions of dollars.

Talks between the companies are advanced and likely to lead to an agreement, the sources said. One said the deal is being held up primarily as a result of an Air Force decision to delay the program due to budget woes.


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Link Posted: 9/11/2013 5:00:50 AM EDT

Looks like it will be a clean sheet of paper.

My prediction will be if the JSF fails, LockMart will get the award as a consolation prize.

If JSF continues, Boeing or Northrup Grumman will get it.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 5:01:22 AM EDT
... well, come on USAF - Let's see an RFP!
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 5:08:25 AM EDT
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They'll keep flying the T-38 until it drops out of the sky.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 5:21:49 AM EDT
Hopefully Boeing lays down the law to Saab............no fucking canards!














Link Posted: 9/11/2013 5:22:53 AM EDT
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Hopefully Boeing lays down the law to Saab............no fucking canards!














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Canards Über Alles!

Link Posted: 9/11/2013 5:24:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Screechjet1:

If JSF continues, Boeing or Northrup Grumman will get it.
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If? There is no stopping it. At least, there is no stopping the A and the B variants.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 5:24:49 AM EDT
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Hopefully Boeing lays down the law to Saab............no fucking canards!





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... Remember, a criteria for trainers is that it requires handing qualities similar to the properties of our platforms in service



 
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 5:28:26 AM EDT
Yeah I got your canards above all...... right here..... around the corner........ in this alley pal!



So will this new trainer have a convertible top!  
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 5:31:27 AM EDT
Whoever they go with, I'm sure they'll choose the best design.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 5:33:10 AM EDT
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So how do our current trainers rate for the handing qualities of our new generation of fighters such as the F-22 and JSF?

Would a new trainer have significant advantages in handing characteristics than our current ones?
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 5:35:38 AM EDT
Saab 340's......working on those gives me bad memories



kind of a workhorse though, just better ones out there IMO.  



of course, this is a little different of an aircraft
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 5:39:36 AM EDT

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Whoever they go with, I'm sure they'll choose the best design.
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Link Posted: 9/11/2013 5:47:55 AM EDT
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They'll keep flying the T-38 until it drops out of the sky.
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Originally Posted By swede1986:
Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:
... well, come on USAF - Let's see an RFP!


They'll keep flying the T-38 until it drops out of the sky.



This.


I was an instructor in the early 80's in the T-38B.  Some of the "children" I fly with now have graduated from Pilot Training in the past  5 -7 years and talk about the T-38C model.  I had to ask what they had changed.  They were telling me about the new wing ( I informed them that they had been re winged once in the 80's) all glass cockpit and GPS. Sometimes I feel like a dinosaur.  
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 6:24:26 AM EDT
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Hope springs eternal!

#TooBigToFail
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 6:26:21 AM EDT
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Any reason they don't want an off the shelf trainer like the Hawk?
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Originally Posted By Screechjet1:

Looks like it will be a clean sheet of paper.



Any reason they don't want an off the shelf trainer like the Hawk?


Because its the USAF.

But yes, in reality, its hard to make the compelling case that extending the T-45C program wouldn't be at least a B- solution, at a low price point.

However, these programs are about government cheese distribution, er, I mean, industrial base preservation, at this point.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 6:56:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Screechjet1:


Hope springs eternal!

#TooBigToFail
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Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By dport:
If? There is no stopping it. At least, there is no stopping the A and the B variants.


Hope springs eternal!

#TooBigToFail

I wouldn't hope that it fails. It brings a lot ot the table. A lot of capability we need.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 11:17:48 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By tyman:
Whoever they go with, I'm sure they'll choose the best design.
http://catmacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/iseewatudidthere.jpg
 

Link Posted: 9/11/2013 5:34:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dport:

I wouldn't hope that it fails. It brings a lot ot the table. A lot of capability we need.
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Originally Posted By dport:
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By dport:
If? There is no stopping it. At least, there is no stopping the A and the B variants.


Hope springs eternal!

#TooBigToFail

I wouldn't hope that it fails. It brings a lot ot the table. A lot of capability we need.


The hope is the assumptions made at design, redesign, and N=! redesign hold true.

I don't hope for the JSF to fail. I just hope that if it does, it doesn't suck the rest of the DOD down with it.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 5:37:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Screechjet1:


The hope is the assumptions made at design, redesign, and N=! redesign hold true.

I don't hope for the JSF to fail. I just hope that if it does, it doesn't suck the rest of the DOD down with it.
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Originally Posted By dport:
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By dport:
If? There is no stopping it. At least, there is no stopping the A and the B variants.


Hope springs eternal!

#TooBigToFail

I wouldn't hope that it fails. It brings a lot ot the table. A lot of capability we need.


The hope is the assumptions made at design, redesign, and N=! redesign hold true.

I don't hope for the JSF to fail. I just hope that if it does, it doesn't suck the rest of the DOD down with it.

Most of the assumptions have ZERO to do with stealth.
Link Posted: 9/12/2013 3:50:07 AM EDT
Sweetman seems to believe that it won't be a new aircraft, but a variation of Gripen.

I am sceptical.
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