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Posted: 10/28/2013 4:25:08 PM EDT
The Sonoma County sheriff's deputy who fired the shots that killed a 13-year-old boy carrying a replica assault rifle last week is a firearms expert, Iraq War veteran, and a regular contributor to magazines and blogs that tackle gun issues.
The Santa Rosa Press Democrat first reported the name of the deputy as Erick Gelhaus, 48, which was confirmed to NBC Bay Area on Monday by Assistant Sheriff Lorenzo Dueñas. Gelhaus' partner, a new hire with 11 years experience, did not fire his weapon, investigators said, and his name has not been publicly released. Gelhuas, a deputy since 1989, has worked in patrol, gang enforcement and drug investigations, according to a mini profile at the Gunsite Academy. His profile lists him as an “avid hunter” both in North America and Africa, who teaches people how to shoot pistols, shotguns and rifles. Link if someone wants to make it hot http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Sonoma-County-Deputy-Who-Killed-Andy-Lopez-13-IDd-as-Erick-Gelhause-229588421.html Did a 24 hour search with no results, if duped, mods please delete |
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I didn't read much more of the last thread after it became a circle jerk, but was it ever said that the kid pointed the gun at the cops?
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Not that I know. All I heard from order to drop gun, to empty mag was 7 seconds. Don't even know any adults who can gather their thoughts and comply that quick. What chance do we stand against police who mis-identify a threat? Sounds like no chance at all.
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Not that I know. All I heard from order to drop gun, to empty mag was 7 seconds. Don't even know any adults who can gather their thoughts and comply that quick. What chance do we stand against police who mis-identify a threat? Sounds like no chance at all. View Quote I wasn't there, I haven't heard audio or seen video, I'm not passing judgment. I'm just curious.. if you're so focused on that scenario, you've trained and shot thousands of rounds to prepare, rehearsed it in your mind over and over.. I just wonder how much your rational brain is in play at that point. |
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Well, of COURSE he's a "firearms expert," he's a COP! [/journalist]
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The kid not only was holding what he thought was an AK. The kid allegedly refused to drop it when ordered to do so. I give him the benefit of the doubt in this case.
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Not that I know. All I heard from order to drop gun, to empty mag was 7 seconds. Don't even know any adults who can gather their thoughts and comply that quick. What chance do we stand against police who mis-identify a threat? Sounds like no chance at all. View Quote did you see the "toy" gun? |
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The kid not only was holding what he thought was an AK. The kid allegedly refused to drop it when ordered to do so. I give him the benefit of the doubt in this case. View Quote This is California, man.. you're going to give a person less than 7 seconds to determine whether they live or die, when they might not even speak English? |
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The kid not only was holding what he thought was an AK. The kid allegedly refused to drop it when ordered to do so. I give him the benefit of the doubt in this case. View Quote Normally I would, but I've seen enough to question how long the kid was given from order to pewpew. That and the above poster brought up a good point of training and brain activity. Like a dog going after a ball, if you train so much in that situation your rational brain might disengage to the detriment of those you took an oath to serve. |
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I blame the parents for buying it for him and letting him walk around without the orange tip.
I have an airsoft AK and AR15 for a little training at home. They are full metal and nearly as heavy as the real deal. If they had real barrels, they would be just as heavy. They are full scale and from 20 feet away, you can't tell the difference. The only way to know is the orange tip. But then again, someone could paint the flash hider orange on a real gun, so it's a luck of the draw for the cop if he comes upon one. I feel sorry for both the cop and the kid, but that's what you get when you have stupid parents breeding stupid kids. He simply shouldn't be walking around the neighborhood with it. |
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I Feel sorry for the officer everybody was probably yelling gun. As in training he shot. He will never be the same.
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I served with him in Iraq. He is a solid dude. He is not a cowboy or elitist JBT. He is the kind of man I am proud to call a brother in arms. It breaks my heart to read this.
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i hate JBTs as much as the next guy. but kid playing w/ AK? yeah...
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There's a photo at the scene. It looked real enough to call Darwin and ask his opinion. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I didn't read much more of the last thread after it became a circle jerk, but was it ever said that the kid pointed the gun at the cops? There's a photo at the scene. It looked real enough to call Darwin and ask his opinion. Uhh? Did you mean to respond to a different post? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Not that I know. All I heard from order to drop gun, to empty mag was 7 seconds. Don't even know any adults who can gather their thoughts and comply that quick. What chance do we stand against police who mis-identify a threat? Sounds like no chance at all. did you see the "toy" gun? |
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I blame the parents for buying it for him and letting him walk around without the orange tip. I have an airsoft AK and AR15 for a little training at home. They are full metal and nearly as heavy as the real deal. If they had real barrels, they would be just as heavy. They are full scale and from 20 feet away, you can't tell the difference. The only way to know is the orange tip. But then again, someone could paint the flash hider orange on a real gun, so it's a luck of the draw for the cop if he comes upon one. I feel sorry for both the cop and the kid, but that's what you get when you have stupid parents breeding stupid kids. He simply shouldn't be walking around the neighborhood with it. View Quote Difference is, the cop gets to have a life....the kid's was taken from him. I hope you feel a little more "sorry" for the kid, since he is dead. We will never know what he was thinking. He was just begging to be shot by a cop for walking around with a toy is what you are saying. I am sure the cop will feel bad about it, but I bet the parents will feel worse. |
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I blame the parents for buying it for him and letting him walk around without the orange tip. I have an airsoft AK and AR15 for a little training at home. They are full metal and nearly as heavy as the real deal. If they had real barrels, they would be just as heavy. They are full scale and from 20 feet away, you can't tell the difference. The only way to know is the orange tip. But then again, someone could paint the flash hider orange on a real gun, so it's a luck of the draw for the cop if he comes upon one. I feel sorry for both the cop and the kid, but that's what you get when you have stupid parents breeding stupid kids. He simply shouldn't be walking around the neighborhood with it. View Quote Sorry but I call bullshit on this. We used to walk around with replica guns in the late 80s/early 90s all the time (I had an Uzi that was full size and weight, indistinguishable from the real thing unless you tried to remove the mag, my buddy had an M16) and we were never hassled or shot at. Kids used to walk around with actual guns in more rural areas, without incident. Something has changed, and it's not kids liking guns. |
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Sorry but if that kid had pointed that gun at me I would have shot too. Terrible situation for all involved For those saying 7 seconds wasnt long enough, if you have ever had a gun pointed at you 7 seconds is a long fucking time
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Sorry but if that kid had pointed that gun at me I would have shot too. Terrible situation for all involved For those saying 7 seconds wasnt long enough, if you have ever had a gun pointed at you 7 seconds is a long fucking time View Quote I really have to wonder if the toy was pointed at the cop. I don't know, but I really have to wonder. |
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gun looked real enough you couldn't tell the difference unless you were holding it....13yo kid, 90 yo man, 30 yo woman....doesn't matter
there will be enough basement ninjas on here who will try to beat down a .mil veteran, firearms expert, and veteran deputy |
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I really have to wonder if the toy was pointed at the cop. I don't know, but I really have to wonder. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Sorry but if that kid had pointed that gun at me I would have shot too. Terrible situation for all involved For those saying 7 seconds wasnt long enough, if you have ever had a gun pointed at you 7 seconds is a long fucking time I really have to wonder if the toy was pointed at the cop. I don't know, but I really have to wonder. Seriously? In what other remotely imaginable scenario would he have felt the need to kill a 13 year old kid? |
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Quoted: Normally I would, but I've seen enough to question how long the kid was given from order to pewpew. That and the above poster brought up a good point of training and brain activity. Like a dog going after a ball, if you train so much in that situation your rational brain might disengage to the detriment of those you took an oath to serve. View Quote I need to expand my paper target collection |
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All that training and, experience, and expertise did not do that kid any good.
Tell me again what crime this kid committed? |
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Sorry but I call bullshit on this. We used to walk around with replica guns in the late 80s/early 90s all the time (I had an Uzi that was full size and weight, indistinguishable from the real thing unless you tried to remove the mag, my buddy had an M16) and we were never hassled or shot at. Kids used to walk around with actual guns in more rural areas, without incident. Something has changed, and it's not kids liking guns. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I blame the parents for buying it for him and letting him walk around without the orange tip. I have an airsoft AK and AR15 for a little training at home. They are full metal and nearly as heavy as the real deal. If they had real barrels, they would be just as heavy. They are full scale and from 20 feet away, you can't tell the difference. The only way to know is the orange tip. But then again, someone could paint the flash hider orange on a real gun, so it's a luck of the draw for the cop if he comes upon one. I feel sorry for both the cop and the kid, but that's what you get when you have stupid parents breeding stupid kids. He simply shouldn't be walking around the neighborhood with it. Sorry but I call bullshit on this. We used to walk around with replica guns in the late 80s/early 90s all the time (I had an Uzi that was full size and weight, indistinguishable from the real thing unless you tried to remove the mag, my buddy had an M16) and we were never hassled or shot at. Kids used to walk around with actual guns in more rural areas, without incident. Something has changed, and it's not kids liking guns. Something has changed. Back in the day, some loon wouldn't be shooting up a school or a mall about once/week. I remember when a kid accidentally shooting someone would make the news. Now, if the body count doesn't rise above about 5, you won't even hear about it. Yeah, something has changed. |
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gun looked real enough you couldn't tell the difference unless you were holding it....13yo kid, 90 yo man, 30 yo woman....doesn't matter there will be enough basement ninjas on here who will try to beat down a .mil veteran, firearms expert, and veteran deputy View Quote Don't you think it's important to ask if the gun was pointed at him or not? Is it still ok to kill grandpa, a kid, or woman if they have an AK, even if its pointed 90deg away from you, just not obeying your commands for 7sec? |
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So if I train a lot shooting bad guys on paper and my brain turns off when I shoot real "bad guys" I can use this as a defense??? I need to expand my paper target collection View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Normally I would, but I've seen enough to question how long the kid was given from order to pewpew. That and the above poster brought up a good point of training and brain activity. Like a dog going after a ball, if you train so much in that situation your rational brain might disengage to the detriment of those you took an oath to serve. I need to expand my paper target collection Maybe, who knows, right? |
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Quoted: Sorry but I call bullshit on this. We used to walk around with replica guns in the late 80s/early 90s all the time (I had an Uzi that was full size and weight, indistinguishable from the real thing unless you tried to remove the mag, my buddy had an M16) and we were never hassled or shot at. Kids used to walk around with actual guns in more rural areas, without incident. Something has changed, and it's not kids liking guns. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I blame the parents for buying it for him and letting him walk around without the orange tip. I have an airsoft AK and AR15 for a little training at home. They are full metal and nearly as heavy as the real deal. If they had real barrels, they would be just as heavy. They are full scale and from 20 feet away, you can't tell the difference. The only way to know is the orange tip. But then again, someone could paint the flash hider orange on a real gun, so it's a luck of the draw for the cop if he comes upon one. I feel sorry for both the cop and the kid, but that's what you get when you have stupid parents breeding stupid kids. He simply shouldn't be walking around the neighborhood with it. Sorry but I call bullshit on this. We used to walk around with replica guns in the late 80s/early 90s all the time (I had an Uzi that was full size and weight, indistinguishable from the real thing unless you tried to remove the mag, my buddy had an M16) and we were never hassled or shot at. Kids used to walk around with actual guns in more rural areas, without incident. Something has changed, and it's not kids liking guns. |
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I served with him in Iraq. He is a solid dude. He is not a cowboy or elitist JBT. He is the kind of man I am proud to call a brother in arms. It breaks my heart to read this. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
I served with him in Iraq. He is a solid dude. He is not a cowboy or elitist JBT. He is the kind of man I am proud to call a brother in arms. It breaks my heart to read this. Quoted:
He is a firearms expert. This is the kind of post that I actually put a good deal of stock in. |
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Shit sucks. That's all there is to be said until the investigation is done.
Monday morning quarterbacking a situation with only a broad idea of the scenario doesn't help much. |
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Something has changed. Back in the day, some loon wouldn't be shooting up a school or a mall about once/week. I remember when a kid accidentally shooting someone would make the news. Now, if the body count doesn't rise above about 5, you won't even hear about it. Yeah, something has changed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I blame the parents for buying it for him and letting him walk around without the orange tip. I have an airsoft AK and AR15 for a little training at home. They are full metal and nearly as heavy as the real deal. If they had real barrels, they would be just as heavy. They are full scale and from 20 feet away, you can't tell the difference. The only way to know is the orange tip. But then again, someone could paint the flash hider orange on a real gun, so it's a luck of the draw for the cop if he comes upon one. I feel sorry for both the cop and the kid, but that's what you get when you have stupid parents breeding stupid kids. He simply shouldn't be walking around the neighborhood with it. Sorry but I call bullshit on this. We used to walk around with replica guns in the late 80s/early 90s all the time (I had an Uzi that was full size and weight, indistinguishable from the real thing unless you tried to remove the mag, my buddy had an M16) and we were never hassled or shot at. Kids used to walk around with actual guns in more rural areas, without incident. Something has changed, and it's not kids liking guns. Something has changed. Back in the day, some loon wouldn't be shooting up a school or a mall about once/week. I remember when a kid accidentally shooting someone would make the news. Now, if the body count doesn't rise above about 5, you won't even hear about it. Yeah, something has changed. You gotta ask yourself now if that's cause or effect? |
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All that training and, experience, and expertise did not do that kid any good. Tell me again what crime this kid committed? View Quote Can people his age walk around with firearms in that state? Was he legally in the lot he was walking through? I am pretty sure the Kommie state won't that young of a person possess a registered assault weapon, so there is a presumption he is violating that law. DO you need more? |
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You gotta ask yourself now if that's cause or effect? View Quote Regardless of which it is, its now reality. In certain environments, it is not normal for a young boy to be carrying a rifle in public. Period. It does not matter why, or how it got to be this way, it simply is. The reaction to such an act is dictated by that truth, not by the way you wish it was, or how it used to be. |
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Sorry but if that kid had pointed that gun at me I would have shot too. Terrible situation for all involved For those saying 7 seconds wasnt long enough, if you have ever had a gun pointed at you 7 seconds is a long fucking time View Quote Ask a bull rider how long 8 seconds are. Sounds like a tragedy that no e of us are qualified to pass judgement on because we weren't there. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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what an ignorant post. I'm so thankful knowing there are pure american badasses like yourself that if faced with a similar situation would just do a front flip roll and kick the gun out of the persons hands, but I guess you wouldn't even have to do that because you would just know immediately it was a toy and not a real AK |
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I don't have an opinion because I was not there, but I do now from experience from long ago that an 8 year old child can kill you very quickly in the right circumstances.
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I served with him in Iraq. He is a solid dude. He is not a cowboy or elitist JBT. He is the kind of man I am proud to call a brother in arms. It breaks my heart to read this. View Quote Start writing letters of character with specifics. This information might make it to the press and it MIGHT be used against him. You might want to contact him. |
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When I was young my friends and I had rifles and used them without getting murdered by a cop. And they weren't "replicas."
My oh my have the times a changed. |
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As best I can tell, we still have no idea if the kid was pointing the (very authentic) replica at the officers or not, and that makes all the difference in the world in this scenario.
Kid points gun: good shoot Kid didn't point gun : probably not good shoot |
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