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Posted: 4/19/2017 8:58:20 PM EDT
Looking for a 4 or 6 CC camera system.
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Here is the forum you want to check out.
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Figure I would post this here so you have more info
I need to set up cameras, alarm and door security in a garage that I am finishing. The space is 24'X40', has a normal door and a 15'X12' large door for cars to enter and exit. Both are at the front of the space. My dad's construction workers will have access to a different part of the space and I want to keep an eye out on them when they are in the space so they don't do something stupid or so I have proof if they do. As for the front door I want a camera mounted outside, with either a keypad or proximity keys. Lighting will turn on automatically when someone enters the space. Thanks in advance |
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go with POE cameras. I have hikvision and i'm researching dahua cameras. it's actually another fun hobby to play with.
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Reolink makes excellent systems for the money - Very easy to set up (including access via internet or smart phones). Unlike a lot of other brands, their stuff just works - period.
If you can hold off a while, their complete systems and individual components go on sale on a pretty regular basis. If you can't wait, the system in the link above is still a good deal at regular price. ETA: This is the same system that P400 also recommended above. |
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So Reolink is GTG. Any suggestions about a door locking/video system?
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This guy gave you 3 of the 4 buzzwords you need to get a nice system set up. The 4th word is Nelly's. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Buzzwords in terms of quality of products? I read that the DVRs can burn out after a year or so, don't want to deal with that. View Quote Because you can get some of the functions of a home alarm system by setting up an appropriate camera system. I honestly use my cameras more than my home alarm. |
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Let me give you a "for instance."
I have multiple cameras on/around my home. They do several things for me. They record on a constant basis to a central NVR (Network Video Recorder... also called a DVR), and they also provide real-time alerts independent of that DVR. They also are accessible from my phone, allowing me to check on things any time I desire. So the DVR records... that's its job. That's what it does. It does this around-the-clock, and provides a repository of evidence and recordings to sift through if something happens. But it doesn't provide real-time alerts (some DVRs can, provided they have alarm inputs, but that requires running additional wiring to the DVR from various sensors, which isn't always feasible). So I wire sensors directly to my cameras, and configure the cameras to send me alerts based on what they detect. You can do the same thing with IP cameras and their built-in "motion detection" alert ability, but you're going to quickly discover the limitations of that modality. VMD (Video Motion Detection) is what the cameras do internally in software, and it's based on changes in the scene detected by whatever algorithms they use. When the scene changes enough, they trigger "alerts" to do various things (save images off-site, email you, trigger other devices, and so forth). But VMD sucks... It generates many false alerts, and eventually you'll stop paying attention to those alerts. It's the classic "crying wolf" phenomenon. Clouds, car headlights, birds, windy days, insects... all generate false "motion" alerts. Sensor-based alerts are NOT the same. Quality PIRs (passive infrared motion sensors), reed-switches, induction-loop sensors (to detect passing vehicles), and such are FAR more reliable than VMD. False alarms are almost unheard of (provided the sensors are placed appropriately), so when a sensor-based alert goes off, you KNOW to pay attention to it. That is how I get real-time alerts on what's going on around my home. If the PIR in my driveway goes off, I KNOW somebody or something is there. If one of the reed-switch sensors on my garage-door goes off, I KNOW that door is being opened. I have a dedicated email account that ONLY receives alerts from my cameras, and that account has specific alerts on my phone. I use an email relay service to send/receive those emails (costs me a few buck/year, but saves me having to run a server on-site). They arrive on my phone seconds after those sensors have tripped... and those alerts come complete with images of the event... so I now have off-site storage of those images, in addition to local storage. This all may seem like too much, and you may not want to go through all that hassle... but it's DIY-able. |
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Let me give you a "for instance." I have multiple cameras on/around my home. They do several things for me. They record on a constant basis to a central NVR (Network Video Recorder... also called a DVR), and they also provide real-time alerts independent of that DVR. They also are accessible from my phone, allowing me to check on things any time I desire. So the DVR records... that's its job. That's what it does. It does this around-the-clock, and provides a repository of evidence and recordings to sift through if something happens. But it doesn't provide real-time alerts (some DVRs can, provided they have alarm inputs, but that requires running additional wiring to the DVR from various sensors, which isn't always feasible). So I wire sensors directly to my cameras, and configure the cameras to send me alerts based on what they detect. You can do the same thing with IP cameras and their built-in "motion detection" alert ability, but you're going to quickly discover the limitations of that modality. VMD (Video Motion Detection) is what the cameras do internally in software, and it's based on changes in the scene detected by whatever algorithms they use. When the scene changes enough, they trigger "alerts" to do various things (save images off-site, email you, trigger other devices, and so forth). But VMD sucks... It generates many false alerts, and eventually you'll stop paying attention to those alerts. It's the classic "crying wolf" phenomenon. Clouds, car headlights, birds, windy days, insects... all generate false "motion" alerts. Sensor-based alerts are NOT the same. Quality PIRs (passive infrared motion sensors), reed-switches, induction-loop sensors (to detect passing vehicles), and such are FAR more reliable than VMD. False alarms are almost unheard of (provided the sensors are placed appropriately), so when a sensor-based alert goes off, you KNOW to pay attention to it. That is how I get real-time alerts on what's going on around my home. If the PIR in my driveway goes off, I KNOW somebody or something is there. If one of the reed-switch sensors on my garage-door goes off, I KNOW that door is being opened. I have a dedicated email account that ONLY receives alerts from my cameras, and that account has specific alerts on my phone. I use an email relay service to send/receive those emails (costs me a few buck/year, but saves me having to run a server on-site). They arrive on my phone seconds after those sensors have tripped... and those alerts come complete with images of the event... so I now have off-site storage of those images, in addition to local storage. This all may seem like too much, and you may not want to go through all that hassle... but it's DIY-able. View Quote Thanks for the info, I'll look into putting in a PIR system now. What can you recommend in terms of door security? I am not the only one who will have access to this space for other reasons. I want some kind of camera and proximity key system to gain entry to the shop so I know who is going in when. Thanks Edit: also, in terms of false alarms with VMD systems, all of the cameras (with the exception of the one mounted outside by the door) will be mounted inside of a space with no windows or anything moving at all. Would you still not recommend a system like this? My goal is to have a way to know if someone has walked through the door, or open the main door just so I know to check on my phone if they have closed it. The shop is surrounded by good neighbors that will either close the door or alert me that it is open, but I still want a way to check on my own. I am really not worried about people who have access to the space stealing things, the people that will have access to the space work for my father, and will only be in the space for a few days out of the month. The camera system is mainly for checking if everything is in order and so we know when someone is in the shop. My Father thinks that we should install an alarm system from Brink's or someone similar. Would you recommend that in this situation? |
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@thegrayman Thanks for the info, I'll look into putting in a PIR system now. What can you recommend in terms of door security? I am not the only one who will have access to this space for other reasons. I want some kind of camera and proximity key system to gain entry to the shop so I know who is going in when. Thanks Edit: also, in terms of false alarms with VMD systems, all of the cameras (with the exception of the one mounted outside by the door) will be mounted inside of a space with no windows or anything moving at all. Would you still not recommend a system like this? My goal is to have a way to know if someone has walked through the door, or open the main door just so I know to check on my phone if they have closed it. The shop is surrounded by good neighbors that will either close the door or alert me that it is open, but I still want a way to check on my own. I am really not worried about people who have access to the space stealing things, the people that will have access to the space work for my father, and will only be in the space for a few days out of the month. The camera system is mainly for checking if everything is in order and so we know when someone is in the shop. My Father thinks that we should install an alarm system from Brink's or someone similar. Would you recommend that in this situation? View Quote In terms of door entry, Mobotix has a pre-built kit for that. It consists of a video doorstation (180-degree panoramic camera, 5-6MP), an RFID-card reader, cards, an indoor remote display screen, and an electric door-opener module. It's not cheap, but Mobotix stuff never is. The good news is that their stuff is extremely high-quality, and offers a gazillion options within the software. There's really nothing else like it on the market. Link to kit |
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go with POE cameras. I have hikvision and i'm researching dahua cameras. it's actually another fun hobby to play with. View Quote Check out the 2MP and 3MP versions for the low light models. http://www.hikvision.com/en/products_755.html I replaced all of my older generation 3MP cameras with these and they are an order of magnitude better at night. |
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Buzzwords in terms of quality of products? I read that the DVRs can burn out after a year or so, don't want to deal with that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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go with POE cameras. I have hikvision and i'm researching dahua cameras. it's actually another fun hobby to play with. With that said, my Hikvision stuff has been pretty damn reliable in 24/7 operation for years. Both Hikvision and Dahua are good stuff. If you go on any of the IP Camera enthusiast websites (think ARFcom except for IP Cameras) those two brands typically get the most mentions. |
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Side ? What are the recommended specs for a PC based DVR system.
CPU, memory, etc. ??? |
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So an indoor, static scene is perhaps the only exception to the no-VMD rule. That might work OK for you. In terms of door entry, Mobotix has a pre-built kit for that. It consists of a video doorstation (180-degree panoramic camera, 5-6MP), an RFID-card reader, cards, an indoor remote display screen, and an electric door-opener module. It's not cheap, but Mobotix stuff never is. The good news is that their stuff is extremely high-quality, and offers a gazillion options within the software. There's really nothing else like it on the market. Link to kit View Quote |
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Side ? What are the recommended specs for a PC based DVR system. CPU, memory, etc. ??? View Quote Just to give you a rough idea, hit this page in the big CCTV thread. It will give you an idea of PC specs. Any decent quad-core processor should work. Enough memory, big drives, a high-quality PCI-E network card (like Intel Pro/1000 or similar), and you're pretty much set. Don't waste money on a video card... integrated video will be fine. ETA: do NOT use the motherboard-integrated ethernet port. Add a high-quality network card. The difference between a good Intel server-grade NIC and some MB-integrated NIC is significant. |
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That is exactly what I am looking for door entry wise, thanks. As for a VMD system, is there one you would recommend? How is the Reolink that other members have posted about? View Quote |
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Somewhere, I've got a supplier that sells alarm system, remote deployable fire suppression and OC canisters too. You can talk to your intruder via intercom and explain what a "Chicago Man Trap" is just before you remotely unleash the OC.
Not recommended for houses with pets. |
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Depends entirely on the number of cameras, and what software. Most of the major software manufacturers give you a calculator on their website to determine what specs you may need. Just to give you a rough idea, hit this page in the big CCTV thread. It will give you an idea of PC specs. Any decent quad-core processor should work. Enough memory, big drives, a high-quality PCI-E network card (like Intel Pro/1000 or similar), and you're pretty much set. Don't waste money on a video card... integrated video will be fine. ETA: do NOT use the motherboard-integrated ethernet port. Add a high-quality network card. The difference between a good Intel server-grade NIC and some MB-integrated NIC is significant. I ordered a Intel EXPI9301CTBLK NIC and thanks for the heads up. View Quote |
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I really like my arlo camera system it took under ten min total to setup
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I have been checking out the great threads on the security forum since I want to change from a couple WiFi cams to a dedicated DVR and 4 POE cameras.
Regarding the wiring: Is it best to hire a low voltage guy to do the runs from the DVR location to the camera locations? I have a two story with an attic, but the areas in play would be the 1st story soffits to the basement where I'd locate the DVR- just not sure how I'd get the cabling down there! |
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View Quote Great system. Unbeatable price. |
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I have been checking out the great threads on the security forum since I want to change from a couple WiFi cams to a dedicated DVR and 4 POE cameras. Regarding the wiring: Is it best to hire a low voltage guy to do the runs from the DVR location to the camera locations? I have a two story with an attic, but the areas in play would be the 1st story soffits to the basement where I'd locate the DVR- just not sure how I'd get the cabling down there! View Quote An experienced low-voltage guy might not be a bad idea... they will often charge by the drop, depending on difficulty. |
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I think I'm going to go with an ADT alarm system, Reolink cameras inside and a Mobotix door entry and camera system. Thanks guys
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