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Posted: 12/20/2016 12:38:35 PM EDT
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Another factor in popular vote is how many people in both extreme blue and red states didn't vote because they knew their vote wouldn't count due to the EC. You remove the EC and you have a whole other variable there as well.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 12:46:27 PM EDT
[#2]
Trump won the popular vote in 62% of the states.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 12:52:54 PM EDT
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Maybe it's a bit of weaponized autism or something, but I've spent the last hour and a half doing this and similar research. At least you're using your powers for good. I spent an hour and a half figuring out how many nukes it would take to turn California red 
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Posted: 12/20/2016 12:55:40 PM EDT
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Saw the below on Twitchy yesterday.
Liberals mantra: September Trump has no path to 270 October Trump has no path to 270 November The electoral college doesn't matter, she won the popular vote. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 12:56:24 PM EDT
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3. If we elected presidents via the popular vote, we do not know that Hillary would have won - the campaigns and strategies would have been completely different, and Trump still may have won, so your argument is not provable. #3 is the best argument to make them shut up. Popular vote doesn't indicate anything. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 12:58:13 PM EDT
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What about the uncounted mail in votes in states with large margins of victory.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 12:59:02 PM EDT
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There is no nationwide popular vote for the Presidency.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:00:11 PM EDT
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Trump won the popular vote in 62% of the states. I like this 
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:01:02 PM EDT
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Another factor in popular vote is how many people in both extreme blue and red states didn't vote because they knew their vote wouldn't count due to the EC. You remove the EC and you have a whole other variable there as well. That's actually a big one. The voter turnout would probably go through the roof with the removal of the EC. I live in UT, and the EC discourages a lot of people from even bothering to vote. "Why vote when you live in the reddest state in the country?" |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:03:42 PM EDT
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If we get rid of the EC, shouldn't we also get rid of the Senate? How is it fair that lil old Rhode Island gets exactly as many senators as big ole California?
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:03:46 PM EDT
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Remove all CA votes, and she doesn't win the popular vote. What does that say?
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:09:10 PM EDT
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That's actually a big one. The voter turnout would probably go through the roof with the removal of the EC. I live in UT, and the EC discourages a lot of people from even bothering to vote. "Why vote when you live in the reddest state in the country?" the fact that a knife cuts both ways is no argument against letting it cut. It doesn't matter how many people CHOSE not to vote. If we took the Presidential election to popular vote, thus giving one or two states complete control - all the time, how long do you think it will be untill we have to start taking stars off of Old Glory? |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:12:35 PM EDT
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I said this in another thread, but I tell my kids and any hard headed liberals I'm around that the Indians scored just as many runs in the World Series as the cubs 27-27, but the cubs won 4 games to 3.
Hillary's California and New York are like the Indians 6-0 game 1 win and 7-2 game 4 win. The cubs still won the required 4 games. Blowouts don't matter. If they did, Trump would have campaigned in California, Hillary would've campaigned in Texas, and the cubs woud've thrown Chapman the last two innings of every game to keep them close. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:16:01 PM EDT
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I posted this on facebook. Maybe it's a bit of weaponized autism or something, but I've spent the last hour and a half doing this and similar research. ---------------------------------- For those who make the argument that Hillary won the popular vote and therefore should have won the election: 1. Presidents in the USA are not elected via the popular vote, so the popular vote is of no importance. When impartial research is done, it is clear to any person capable of critical thought how important and vital the electoral college system is, and how harmful a nationwide popular vote would be. 2. A popular vote takes away the sovereignty of the states. 3. If we elected presidents via the popular vote, we do not know that Hillary would have won - the campaigns and strategies would have been completely different, and Trump still may have won, so your argument is not provable. 4. There are various counts, but the highest count shows Hillary with a 2,865,000 vote lead. California alone gives Hillary 4,270,000 extra votes. If you just take the top seven Hillary counties - LA, San Francisco, Santa Clara, San Mateo, Contra Costa, San Diego and Aladema, you have Clinton's entire popular vote lead. That is exactly why we have the electoral college - to make sure population centers in one state do not affect the influence of every single other state. On the other hand, in order to give Trump a similar lead, starting with Trump and Clinton tied in the popular vote, he would have to double his leads in the entirety of the states of Texas, Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama and part of Mississippi. Maybe point 5 should be why it's important, economically, politically, historically, and philosophically to maintain state sovereignty. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:16:08 PM EDT
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I said this in another thread, but I tell my kids and any hard headed liberals I'm around that the Indians scored just as many runs in the World Series as the cubs 27-27, but the cubs won 4 games to 3. Hillary's California and New York are like the Indians 6-0 game 1 win and 7-2 game 4 win. The cubs still won the required 4 games. Blowouts don't matter. If they did, Trump would have campaigned in California, Hillary would've campaigned in Texas, and the cubs woud've thrown Chapman the last two innings of every game to keep them close. Isn't that also problematic though? People don't even bother campaigning in states the aren't favored to win because of the EC. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:22:54 PM EDT
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I thought maybe the margins in a couple states would be responsible for Hillary's lead in the popular vote. Ca., Il. and NY. combined maybe. But Ca. alone put her over and once again you could probably dig through the illegitimate votes there and erase her lead. The system we have right now works perfectly. She could have won the election without even campaigning at all just by relying on her automatic win states full of automatic voters. If voters don't pay any more attention to the candidates than that, no their votes should not count as much.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:24:39 PM EDT
[#17]
Turtles don't taste purple
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:25:09 PM EDT
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Remove all CA votes, and she doesn't win the popular vote. What does that say? That we should let Kalifornistan secede?
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:30:00 PM EDT
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I was playing chess. I lost however my knight jumped more pieces during my loss therefore I would have won had we been playing checkers.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:36:50 PM EDT
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Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:45:38 PM EDT
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Remove all CA votes, and she doesn't win the popular vote. What does that say? voto de los electores de Hillary por su dinero |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:48:09 PM EDT
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I posted this on facebook. Maybe it's a bit of weaponized autism or something, but I've spent the last hour and a half doing this and similar research. ---------------------------------- For those who make the argument that Hillary won the popular vote and therefore should have won the election: 1. Presidents in the USA are not elected via the popular vote, so the popular vote is of no importance. When impartial research is done, it is clear to any person capable of critical thought how important and vital the electoral college system is, and how harmful a nationwide popular vote would be. 2. A popular vote takes away the sovereignty of the states. 3. If we elected presidents via the popular vote, we do not know that Hillary would have won - the campaigns and strategies would have been completely different, and Trump still may have won, so your argument is not provable. 4. There are various counts, but the highest count shows Hillary with a 2,865,000 vote lead. California alone gives Hillary 4,270,000 extra votes. If you just take the top seven Hillary counties - LA, San Francisco, Santa Clara, San Mateo, Contra Costa, San Diego and Aladema, you have Clinton's entire popular vote lead. That is exactly why we have the electoral college - to make sure population centers in one state do not affect the influence of every single other state. On the other hand, in order to give Trump a similar lead, starting with Trump and Clinton tied in the popular vote, he would have to double his leads in the entirety of the states of Texas, Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama and part of Mississippi. She, Hillary got 47.7% of the votes to win the poplar vote one needs 50%. GET OVER IT! |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:56:49 PM EDT
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At least you're using your powers for good. I spent an hour and a half figuring out how many nukes it would take to turn California red I think it's all about placement. Terrain and prevailing winds for fallout need to be mapped as well. 
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Posted: 12/20/2016 2:04:51 PM EDT
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I thought maybe the margins in a couple states would be responsible for Hillary's lead in the popular vote. Ca., Il. and NY. combined maybe. But Ca. alone put her over and once again you could probably dig through the illegitimate votes there and erase her lead. The system we have right now works perfectly. She could have won the election without even campaigning at all just by relying on her automatic win states full of automatic voters. If voters don't pay any more attention to the candidates than that, no their votes should not count as much. Not CA, just seven counties in CA. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 2:05:47 PM EDT
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If anything this election has reinforced for me how wrong it was to make Senate races a popular vote.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 2:10:20 PM EDT
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If anything this election has reinforced for me how wrong it was to make Senate races a popular vote. It was right up there with creating the FED and the Volstead act. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 2:11:44 PM EDT
[#27]
It is all moot. Why waste our time?
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Posted: 12/20/2016 2:12:00 PM EDT
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At least you're using your powers for good. I spent an hour and a half figuring out how many nukes it would take to turn California red Silly you- Ionizing radiation results in a blue glow! |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 2:25:18 PM EDT
[#29]
Hey this again.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 2:26:35 PM EDT
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It's not the United Peoples of America
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:10:06 PM EDT
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Fuck em
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:37:15 PM EDT
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Saw the below on Twitchy yesterday. Liberals mantra: September Trump has no path to 270 October Trump has no path to 270 November The electoral college doesn't matter, she won the popular vote. Along the same lines; Trump says the election is being hacked and the Left assures us his claims are groundless, the voting machines are unhackable, that there is no voter fraud, and Trump is just trying to undermine people's faith in the system. Then Hillary loses and the same people announce Russians hacked the election and spend $millions to initiate recounts. They are transparent and pathetic. I suspect that if we did a do-over Trump would win by even more. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:46:05 PM EDT
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4. California alone gives Hillary 4,270,000 extra votes. If you just take the top seven Hillary counties - LA, San Francisco, Santa Clara, San Mateo, Contra Costa, San Diego and Aladema, Minus SD, that's really just 2 places, both of which the New York Times claims are leading the Trump resistance.  
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Posted: 12/20/2016 4:01:20 PM EDT
[#34]
Yes to everything you wrote.
It's the same old hypocrisy about the constitution you see on the right and left. All of a sudden the electoral college is stupid but hell they dusted off their copy and that Emoluments Clause is really important!! |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 4:06:00 PM EDT
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There is no nationwide popular vote for the Presidency. Thank God. Otherwise we would be ruled by NYC, L.A, Chicago etc. ETA: I bet a large portion of the popular vote margin is the now adult "anchor" children of illegals. 30,000,000 illegals, probably about 10,000,000+ US born anchor babies that are now of voting age. Going to be millions more eligible to vote in 4 years. 99% are of the ones who vote are probably going to vote for someone who wants mom, dad, auntie, grandma, cousin Chuy etc to get citizenship. They are already pushing California to absolute single party rule, made AZ a purple state and will inevitably make Texas purple and eventually blue. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 4:11:33 PM EDT
[#36]
I just heard Trump under spent Hillary by 1/3, which is impressive
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Posted: 12/20/2016 4:13:48 PM EDT
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There's no "win" because the popular vote total isn't a contest. Nothing to "win."
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Posted: 12/20/2016 4:33:46 PM EDT
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Trump won the popular vote in 62% of the states. That's sort of what I say to idiots that whine about the popular vote, "But Trump did win the popular vote here in PA...and OH, and TX, and FL, etc. etc." The national popular vote number means nothing, which is exactly the intent when the system was set up. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 4:46:16 PM EDT
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I said this in another thread, but I tell my kids and any hard headed liberals I'm around that the Indians scored just as many runs in the World Series as the cubs 27-27, but the cubs won 4 games to 3. Hillary's California and New York are like the Indians 6-0 game 1 win and 7-2 game 4 win. The cubs still won the required 4 games. Blowouts don't matter. If they did, Trump would have campaigned in California, Hillary would've campaigned in Texas, and the cubs woud've thrown Chapman the last two innings of every game to keep them close. That's a great analogy |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 4:46:33 PM EDT
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double tap.... but bears repeating
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Posted: 12/20/2016 4:54:19 PM EDT
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the fact that a knife cuts both ways is no argument against letting it cut. It doesn't matter how many people CHOSE not to vote. If we took the Presidential election to popular vote, thus giving one or two states complete control - all the time, how long do you think it will be untill we have to start taking stars off of Old Glory? You don't have to use the popular vote, just do away with winner takes all. If all votes actually counted, the results would be completely different. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 6:25:57 PM EDT
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If we get rid of the EC, shouldn't we also get rid of the Senate? How is it fair that lil old Rhode Island gets exactly as many senators as big ole California? Fair vs equal. Congress seats are based on "fair," seats based on population. Senate seats are based on "equal," every state has the same voice. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 6:44:24 PM EDT
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Remove all CA votes, and she doesn't win the popular vote. What does that say? That the Electoral College was a brilliant construct by the framers to balance the participation of States and The People in the election of Presidents. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 6:46:01 PM EDT
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Fair vs equal. Congress seats are based on "fair," seats based on population. Senate seats are based on "equal," every state has the same voice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If we get rid of the EC, shouldn't we also get rid of the Senate? How is it fair that lil old Rhode Island gets exactly as many senators as big ole California? Fair vs equal. Congress seats are based on "fair," seats based on population. Senate seats are based on "equal," every state has the same voice. Except, ever since the 17th Amendment the States have no voice in the Federal Government. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 6:47:29 PM EDT
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Would be curious what a unbiased, scientific study would show in the number of illegals that voted.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 6:53:02 PM EDT
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Turtles don't taste purple Yea, but do you wanna get pancakes? |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 6:54:24 PM EDT
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Trump won the popular vote in 62% of the states. Trump won the popular vote in over 80% of the counties in America. Bottom line is America really didnt like or trust Hillary Clinton. Even her base vote, the minorities, didnt come out for her in the numbers she needed. She and her crew of young, save the whales, educated, Libtard females sure were dumb as shit. Had she had a few dock workers or truck drivers with GEDs on her staff she just might have won the election. Say "Jobs" ya dumb bitch! People out of work for years and barely scraping by dont want to hear your plans to open borders and save the Polar Bears. Look at these balloon heads she surrounded herself with. Hillarys balloonheads |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 7:02:04 PM EDT
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Except, ever since the 17th Amendment the States have no voice in the Federal Government. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If we get rid of the EC, shouldn't we also get rid of the Senate? How is it fair that lil old Rhode Island gets exactly as many senators as big ole California? Fair vs equal. Congress seats are based on "fair," seats based on population. Senate seats are based on "equal," <span style="color: red;"> every state has the same voice. Except, ever since the 17th Amendment the States have no voice in the Federal Government. Yes but this way NY and CA can't rule the roost |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 7:02:28 PM EDT
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Trump won the popular vote in over 80% of the counties in America. Bottom line is America really didnt like or trust Hillary Clinton. Even her base vote, the minorities, didnt come out for her in the numbers she needed. She and her crew of young, save the whales, educated, Libtard females sure were dumb as shit. Had she had a few dock workers or truck drivers with GEDs on her staff she just might have won the election. Say "Jobs" ya dumb bitch! People out of work for years and barely scraping by dont want to hear your plans to open borders and save the Polar Bears. Look at these balloon heads she surrounded herself with. Hillarys balloonheads Trump administration needs to ride this DEM momentum re: election tampering and decipher how many illegals voted, unregistered voters, dead people, voting more than once and use the results to push hard for voter ID etc.......... |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 7:03:57 PM EDT
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Do we even know the real "popular vote?" Did they even count all the absentee / Military votes in places like California, New York, ect. where they knew it would not make up the difference in the state wide election?
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