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New shooters are often given some pretty terrible advice. Here's an article I wrote for beginners to help them sift through some of that bad advice. I'd like to hear what you think I left out. Any advice for a novice author?
If you are new to firearms, or new to the defensive use of firearms, and you wish to purchase a firearm for the defense of your home, you likely have a lot of questions and no shortage of people happy to give you some advice. They all mean well, and some of them have good advice to give, but much of the advice is contradictory. Take the greasy hillbilly who hangs out in the gun shop and advises people to use a shotgun loaded with birdshot or rock salt (as if that’s something you can buy at Walmart) because it “won’t go through a wall.” If it can’t get through two layers of gypsum how could it reliably stop a person from hurting you? Okay, maybe it is obvious that his advice is unreliable, but how do you pick through the rest of the advice given by friends and salesmen?
Let us begin by identifying the question. You are seeking to purchase a firearm for the defense of your home. That means that you want a tool that you can use within the confines of your home to cause potentially lethal harm to another human being. It is worth pausing here to underscore this point. The only dependable way to stop a bad guy is to cause physical incapacitation and the only dependable way to physically incapacitate a person is to cause gross damage to their circulatory and/or nervous systems. This damage has a high probability of being fatal. If you are not comfortable with the prospect that you may kill a person, you should not purchase a defensive firearm. View Quote The rest of the article is hosted here |
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The biggest striker fired 9mm with standard capacity mags you can afford.
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You know a shotgun is great if I ducks do a home invasion . Until them it is a 9mm pistol or a 223 rifle.
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Ok, who screwed with the timer on the portal generator? It can't have been the required 60 days since the last invasion.
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Pretty cool website, nice job on the article. I have nothing to add other than I hear a shotgun vs rifle debate coming.
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New shooters are often given some pretty terrible advice. Here's an article I wrote for beginners to help them sift through f that bad advice. I'd like to hear what you think I left out. Any advice for a novice author? http://images.homedefensegun.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/CIMG9651-640x373.jpg If you are new to firearms, or new to the defensive use of firearms, and you wish to purchase a firearm for the defense of your home, you likely have a lot of questions and no shortage of people happy to give you some advice. They all mean well, and some of them have good advice to give, but much of the advice is contradictory. Take the greasy hillbilly who hangs out in the gun shop and advises people to use a shotgun loaded with birdshot or rock salt (as if that’s something you can buy at Walmart) because it “won’t go through a wall.” If it can’t get through two layers of gypsum how could it reliably stop a person from hurting you? Okay, maybe it is obvious that his advice is unreliable, but how do you pick through the rest of the advice given by friends and salesmen?
Let us begin by identifying the question. You are seeking to purchase a firearm for the defense of your home. That means that you want a tool that you can use within the confines of your home to cause potentially lethal harm to another human being. It is worth pausing here to underscore this point. The only dependable way to stop a bad guy is to cause physical incapacitation and the only dependable way to physically incapacitate a person is to cause gross damage to their circulatory and/or nervous systems. This damage has a high probability of being fatal. If you are not comfortable with the prospect that you may kill a person, you should not purchase a defensive firearm. View Quote The rest of the article is hosted here View Quote Greasy hillbilly? I bet you hate flags but not fags. |
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Greasy hillbilly? I bet you hate flags but not fags. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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New shooters are often given some pretty terrible advice. Here's an article I wrote for beginners to help them sift through f that bad advice. I'd like to hear what you think I left out. Any advice for a novice author? http://images.homedefensegun.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/CIMG9651-640x373.jpg If you are new to firearms, or new to the defensive use of firearms, and you wish to purchase a firearm for the defense of your home, you likely have a lot of questions and no shortage of people happy to give you some advice. They all mean well, and some of them have good advice to give, but much of the advice is contradictory. Take the greasy hillbilly who hangs out in the gun shop and advises people to use a shotgun loaded with birdshot or rock salt (as if that’s something you can buy at Walmart) because it “won’t go through a wall.” If it can’t get through two layers of gypsum how could it reliably stop a person from hurting you? Okay, maybe it is obvious that his advice is unreliable, but how do you pick through the rest of the advice given by friends and salesmen?
Let us begin by identifying the question. You are seeking to purchase a firearm for the defense of your home. That means that you want a tool that you can use within the confines of your home to cause potentially lethal harm to another human being. It is worth pausing here to underscore this point. The only dependable way to stop a bad guy is to cause physical incapacitation and the only dependable way to physically incapacitate a person is to cause gross damage to their circulatory and/or nervous systems. This damage has a high probability of being fatal. If you are not comfortable with the prospect that you may kill a person, you should not purchase a defensive firearm. The rest of the article is hosted here Greasy hillbilly? I bet you hate flags but not fags. Yeah...read that and said "bye". |
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The article is mine but the site is not. I just contribute from time to time. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Got some tard comments on your site The article is mine but the site is not. I just contribute from time to time. Well, I stumbled through the article. "Meat from bone" was a nice touch. You even managed to work in "crew served weapon." |
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Here's something that might blow your mind: It's actually possible to not hate either. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Greasy hillbilly? I bet you hate flags but not fags. Here's something that might blow your mind: It's actually possible to not hate either. True, but who is more likely to be greased up, hillbillies or fags? Ned Beatty is eagerly awaiting the answer. |
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Here's something that might blow your mind: It's actually possible to not hate either. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Greasy hillbilly? I bet you hate flags but not fags. Here's something that might blow your mind: It's actually possible to not hate either. You gonna try it? |
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A buddy of mine who works at (manager actually) a gun store recently told me an AR was "a horrible home defense choice" and that #8 shot was good.
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The guys from Box O Truth might argue with the whole rifle/shotgun overpenetration myth. A 55-grain BB is not going to pass through 6 sheets of drywall.
Should've started with this sentence, since it's probably the best one in your whole article. No matter what weapon you choose to defend your homestead, you have a responsibility to participate in defense oriented training from a qualified professional instructor. View Quote |
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The guys from Box O Truth might argue with the whole rifle/shotgun overpenetration myth. A 55-grain BB is not going to pass through 6 sheets of drywall. Should've started with this sentence, since it's probably the best one in your whole article. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
The guys from Box O Truth might argue with the whole rifle/shotgun overpenetration myth. A 55-grain BB is not going to pass through 6 sheets of drywall. Should've started with this sentence, since it's probably the best one in your whole article. No matter what weapon you choose to defend your homestead, you have a responsibility to participate in defense oriented training from a qualified professional instructor. BB sized shot does not reliably penetrate deeply enough, but you probably didn't mean BB, since 55 gr is a touch heavier than a 00 size pellet. Any projectile that is capable of penetrating deeply enough for reliable incapacitation is also capable of passing through multiple walls. Higher velocity bullets tend to use and then impact sideways, showing more quickly and sometimes fragmenting, depending on a number of factors. The difference is not great, but .223/5.56mm does tend to potentate fewer walls than 00 buck. Read here. |
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Since when can't you buy birdshot at Walmart? That's like 75% of the shot shells Walmart sells! 'Greasy hillbilly' is a little too derisive; don't ya think? I built our home; and I'll be damned if I want anyone opening up inside the, 'old homestead' with either an AR, or a shotgun. The other thing you can't do with a shotgun is deliver precision fire on a bad guy who's taken a family member hostage, and is standing at the rear, peaking out, while he covers you with his muzzle.
The usual rules remain valid: (1) Be ready. (2) Have a plan. (Something you forgot! ) This plan should include an alternative egress route from your home. (3) Know the prime ambush and engagement spots inside your home. (4) If you don't live alone then include all other (adult) family members in your home defense plan. (5) Be practiced with your weapon, and very well able to hit what you aim at. (6) Keep your nerve, and be 100% ready and willing to kill, or be killed. (7) You should be the primary defender; however, (8) See to it that all other (cognizant) family members know what to do, and (ideally) are trained, and proficient with weapons. (9) Keep a cell phone, tac light, and (Ready?) house keys with your gun(s). (10) You should never begin firing inside your own home unless you have previously considered all the available, 'angles-of-fire', and know exactly where the, 'pass-throughs' and misses are going to go whenever or wherever you, 'cut loose'. (The angles-of-fire are every bit as important as the backstop.) I'm going to add an 11th rule: Mark your target, AND know exactly who you're shooting at! At our house it's just me and my wife; so any third party is already gone; but this isn't acceptable self-defense behavior for a family with multiple adults and/or children; nor is it entirely useful to anyone who has a landlord, or might expect maintenance staff to have (reasonable) access to the inside of the dwelling. True, every home should have, at least, one gun in it; but I am, also, convinced that one or two dogs are of equal importance with a gun. In fact, two Pit Bulldogs once saved the lives of, both, my wife and myself. There were plenty of guns in the house; but I was on crutches and unable to get to them; so the Bulldogs took care of our home invasion for us without any additional help from me. (I guess we were just lucky the Pitbulls weren't out terrorizing the neighborhood, or eating the neighbors' children when our break-in occurred!) ADDED: Oh, yeah! I don't care what gun I use for home defense. Put any gun in my hands; and I'll promise to do well with it. Personally, I think many people would be well served by a 22 LR carbine; and I don't give a lot of credence to insisting that an average homeowner needs a, 'death ray' in order to successfully defend himself or his home. Home defense is only rarely a rip-roaring gun battle; and, even then, any bullet is going to hurt! (I would know; I've been shot twice, and on two separate occasions, by a 22 LR arm. The second time this happened I wasn't expecting it; and the shot knocked my right leg out from under me; and I fell down.) |
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ADDED: Oh, yeah! I don't care what gun I use for home defense. Put any gun in my hands; and I'll promise to do well with it. Personally, I think many people would be well served by a 22 LR carbine; and I don't give a lot of credence to insisting that an average homeowner needs a, 'death ray' in order to successfully defend himself or his home. Home defense is only rarely a rip-roaring gun battle; and, even then, any bullet is going to hurt! (I would know; I've been shot twice, and on two separate occasions, by a 22 LR arm. The second time this happened I wasn't expecting it; and the shot knocked my right leg out from under me; and I fell down.) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Since when can't you buy birdshot at Walmart? That's like 75% of the shot shells Walmart sells! 'Greasy hillbilly' is a little too derisive; don't ya think? I built our home; and I'll be damned if I want anyone opening up inside the, 'old homestead' with either an AR, or a shotgun. The other thing you can't do with a shotgun is deliver precision fire on a bad guy who's taken a family member hostage, and is standing at the rear, peaking out, while he covers you with his muzzle. The usual rules remain valid: (1) Be ready. (2) Have a plan. (Something you forgot! ) This plan should include an alternative egress route from your home. (3) Know the prime ambush and engagement spots inside your home. (4) If you don't live alone then include all other (adult) family members in your home defense plan. (5) Be practiced with your weapon, and very well able to hit what you aim at. (6) Keep your nerve, and be 100% ready and willing to kill, or be killed. (7) You should be the primary defender; however, (8) See to it that all other (cognizant) family members know what to do, and (ideally) are trained, and proficient with weapons. (9) Keep a cell phone, tac light, and (Ready?) house keys with your gun(s). (10) You should never begin firing inside your own home unless you have previously considered all the available, 'angles-of-fire', and know exactly where the, 'pass-throughs' and misses are going to go whenever or wherever you, 'cut loose'. (The angles-of-fire are every bit as important as the backstop.) I'm going to add an 11th rule: Mark your target, AND know exactly who you're shooting at! At our house it's just me and my wife; so any third party is already gone; but this isn't acceptable self-defense behavior for a family with multiple adults and/or children; nor is it entirely useful to anyone who has a landlord, or might expect maintenance staff to have (reasonable) access to the inside of the dwelling. True, every home should have, at least, one gun in it; but I am, also, convinced that one or two dogs are of equal importance with a gun. In fact, two Pit Bulldogs once saved the lives of, both, my wife and myself. There were plenty of guns in the house; but I was on crutches and unable to get to them; so the Bulldogs took care of our home invasion for us without any additional help from me. (I guess we were just lucky the Pitbulls weren't out terrorizing the neighborhood, or eating the neighbors' children when our break-in occurred!) ADDED: Oh, yeah! I don't care what gun I use for home defense. Put any gun in my hands; and I'll promise to do well with it. Personally, I think many people would be well served by a 22 LR carbine; and I don't give a lot of credence to insisting that an average homeowner needs a, 'death ray' in order to successfully defend himself or his home. Home defense is only rarely a rip-roaring gun battle; and, even then, any bullet is going to hurt! (I would know; I've been shot twice, and on two separate occasions, by a 22 LR arm. The second time this happened I wasn't expecting it; and the shot knocked my right leg out from under me; and I fell down.) Wat? |
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My thoughts exactly, well done Greasy hillbilly? Tighty whities? I resemble those remarks Unrelated... when did you retire from the Guard? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not bad at all, seems well written to the target audience. My thoughts exactly, well done Greasy hillbilly? Tighty whities? I resemble those remarks Unrelated... when did you retire from the Guard? I received a medical discharge in 2011 |
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Mossberg factory AR style collapseable stock. I've seen one and according to a classmate, it's airsoft quality.
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I notice you left magnum handguns and PCC's out of the conversation...intentional?
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Good blog/website layout, better than mine. Not good information on rifle penetration and terrible overall advice for anyone with children.
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I notice you left magnum handguns and PCC's out of the conversation...intentional? That would have thrown a little kink into at least some of your reasoning/argument. View Quote Well magnum hand guns are always good if you're involved in a mall shooting you can kill everyone in the place if you can get them to line up correctly. Sorry can't comment on the PCCS as I don't know what they are. |
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870 Police with fore end light and 00 buck, with 6 round mag and side saddle. And knowing how to use it.
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For home defense? No. Pistols suck. The only thing they are good at is being small enough to conveniently carry. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The biggest striker fired 9mm with standard capacity mags you can afford. For home defense? No. Pistols suck. The only thing they are good at is being small enough to conveniently carry. Agreed |
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The one thing I have the hardest time getting through to folks is to have more than one partial box of ammo in the house.
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I dislike pump shotguns mainly because I have seen them short stroked during combat shotgun quals by guys who have way more training than your average homeowner. And that is just training, imagine real world conditions. But I realize it is still an immensely popular tool for home defence.
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My advice?
Get anything. Get your foot in the door of gun ownership. You'll get smarter as you go along. Not like it'll be the only one you buy. |
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Quoted: BB sized shot does not reliably penetrate deeply enough, but you probably didn't mean BB, since 55 gr is a touch heavier than a 00 size pellet. Any projectile that is capable of penetrating deeply enough for reliable incapacitation is also capable of passing through multiple walls. Higher velocity bullets tend to use and then impact sideways, showing more quickly and sometimes fragmenting, depending on a number of factors. The difference is not great, but .223/5.56mm does tend to potentate fewer walls than 00 buck. Read here. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The guys from Box O Truth might argue with the whole rifle/shotgun overpenetration myth. A 55-grain BB is not going to pass through 6 sheets of drywall. Should've started with this sentence, since it's probably the best one in your whole article. No matter what weapon you choose to defend your homestead, you have a responsibility to participate in defense oriented training from a qualified professional instructor. BB sized shot does not reliably penetrate deeply enough, but you probably didn't mean BB, since 55 gr is a touch heavier than a 00 size pellet. Any projectile that is capable of penetrating deeply enough for reliable incapacitation is also capable of passing through multiple walls. Higher velocity bullets tend to use and then impact sideways, showing more quickly and sometimes fragmenting, depending on a number of factors. The difference is not great, but .223/5.56mm does tend to potentate fewer walls than 00 buck. Read here. My apologies. My sarcasm got the best of me. The 55-grain BB was a sarcastic reference to the 5.56 round, not buckshot. One of my pet peeves is when people claim a 5.56 round will go through three houses. Rifle is my first choice for HD, but it's all about training and what you can operate under stress. For most folks, an autoloading shotgun or revolver are the best choices - simplest to operate. |
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Since when can't you buy birdshot at Walmart? That's like 75% of the shot shells Walmart sells! 'Greasy hillbilly' is a little too derisive; don't ya think? I built our home; and I'll be damned if I want anyone opening up inside the, 'old homestead' with either an AR, or a shotgun. The other thing you can't do with a shotgun is deliver precision fire on a bad guy who's taken a family member hostage, and is standing at the rear, peaking out, while he covers you with his muzzle. The usual rules remain valid: (1) Be ready. (2) Have a plan. (Something you forgot! ) This plan should include an alternative egress route from your home. (3) Know the prime ambush and engagement spots inside your home. (4) If you don't live alone then include all other (adult) family members in your home defense plan. (5) Be practiced with your weapon, and very well able to hit what you aim at. (6) Keep your nerve, and be 100% ready and willing to kill, or be killed. (7) You should be the primary defender; however, (8) See to it that all other (cognizant) family members know what to do, and (ideally) are trained, and proficient with weapons. (9) Keep a cell phone, tac light, and (Ready?) house keys with your gun(s). (10) You should never begin firing inside your own home unless you have previously considered all the available, 'angles-of-fire', and know exactly where the, 'pass-throughs' and misses are going to go whenever or wherever you, 'cut loose'. (The angles-of-fire are every bit as important as the backstop.) I'm going to add an 11th rule: Mark your target, AND know exactly who you're shooting at! At our house it's just me and my wife; so any third party is already gone; but this isn't acceptable self-defense behavior for a family with multiple adults and/or children; nor is it entirely useful to anyone who has a landlord, or might expect maintenance staff to have (reasonable) access to the inside of the dwelling. True, every home should have, at least, one gun in it; but I am, also, convinced that one or two dogs are of equal importance with a gun. In fact, two Pit Bulldogs once saved the lives of, both, my wife and myself. There were plenty of guns in the house; but I was on crutches and unable to get to them; so the Bulldogs took care of our home invasion for us without any additional help from me. (I guess we were just lucky the Pitbulls weren't out terrorizing the neighborhood, or eating the neighbors' children when our break-in occurred!) ADDED: Oh, yeah! I don't care what gun I use for home defense. Put any gun in my hands; and I'll promise to do well with it. Personally, I think many people would be well served by a 22 LR carbine; and I don't give a lot of credence to insisting that an average homeowner needs a, 'death ray' in order to successfully defend himself or his home. Home defense is only rarely a rip-roaring gun battle; and, even then, any bullet is going to hurt! (I would know; I've been shot twice, and on two separate occasions, by a 22 LR arm. The second time this happened I wasn't expecting it; and the shot knocked my right leg out from under me; and I fell down.) View Quote You can't buy rock salt rounds at Walmart. |
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I notice you left magnum handguns and PCC's out of the conversation...intentional? That would have thrown a little kink into at least some of your reasoning/argument. View Quote I did cover PCCs. Magnum handguns have their own problems. Still hard to hit with compared to a long arm but they also have heavy recoil and muzzle blast. |
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