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Posted: 10/1/2014 10:58:48 PM EST
http://www.vox.com/2014/9/29/6849723/solar-power-net-metering-utilities-fight-states

I'm gonna expand my system in a few months.

FUCK THE BIG UTILITIES.

FUCK THE TAXES WE PAY ON ELECTRICITY ALSO.
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My system is off grid BTW.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:00:43 PM EST
Damn hippies
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Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:01:39 PM EST
How many panels and what rating (each and total) do you have? Brand and model?

How big is your battery bank?
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:05:12 PM EST
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Is your avatar also a selfie?
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:10:22 PM EST
Our local co-op service has been pretty shaky for the last 10 years or so.
What was the cost of these panels?
And what was your "out of pocket" cost.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:11:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
http://www.vox.com/2014/9/29/6849723/solar-power-net-metering-utilities-fight-states

I'm gonna expand my system in a few months.

FUCK THE BIG UTILITIES.

FUCK THE TAXES WE PAY ON ELECTRICITY ALSO.
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FUCK THE GOVERNMENT THAT SUBSIDIZES SOLAR.

Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:11:52 PM EST
If I average my last twelve months of electric bills, I pay $100/mo. Doesn't seem like enough to worry about making a change in infrastructure. Reliability is excellent too.
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Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
My system is off grid BTW.


Is your avatar also a selfie?


I got the vibe..
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:16:02 PM EST
Can't justify solar

$80 a month
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:17:16 PM EST
Oh btw, having the government force the utilities to buy solar power at the full retail rate is complete bullshit. The government has no business fixing prices *anywhere*. That is what the utilities are pissed about. And no wonder, they only get to sell that power at the same retail rate, but transmission losses and infrastructure costs are pure losses for them.


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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
How many panels and what rating (each and total) do you have? Brand and model?

How big is your battery bank?
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5 130 watt sharp's(USA made in TN)

6 -55A/H 12volt batteries

This is on my Fifth wheel that i live in full time.

Plan to add at least 2 more panels and get a new/bigger inverter in a few months.
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Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
My system is off grid BTW.


Is your avatar also a selfie?

I wish.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:17:49 PM EST
I am in the process of building a new shop for my farm. Anyone recommend companies to design and sell solar components?
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Originally Posted By straatconst:
Our local co-op service has been pretty shaky for the last 10 years or so.
What was the cost of these panels?
And what was your "out of pocket" cost.
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Spent at least $3000 starting back in 2009.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:19:11 PM EST
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I wish.
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Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
Originally Posted By echo_5:
Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
My system is off grid BTW.


Is your avatar also a selfie?

I wish.



should have said "You're goddamn right."

eta

http://www.ecobusinesslinks.com/surveys/free-solar-panel-price-survey/

That's the site I've been watching the past few years. The cheapest ones are around 76 cents per rated watt now. That's the cheapest I've ever seen.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:19:53 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
Oh btw, having the government force the utilities to buy solar power at the full retail rate is complete bullshit. The government has no business fixing prices *anywhere*. That is what the utilities are pissed about. And no wonder, they only get to sell that power at the same retail rate, but transmission losses and infrastructure costs are pure losses for them.


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This guy gets how it works.

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FUCK THE GOVERNMENT THAT SUBSIDIZES SOLAR.

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Originally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
http://www.vox.com/2014/9/29/6849723/solar-power-net-metering-utilities-fight-states

I'm gonna expand my system in a few months.

FUCK THE BIG UTILITIES.

FUCK THE TAXES WE PAY ON ELECTRICITY ALSO.



FUCK THE GOVERNMENT THAT SUBSIDIZES SOLAR.


They guarantee the loans mostly.
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Originally Posted By FuriousYachtsman:
If I average my last twelve months of electric bills, I pay $100/mo. Doesn't seem like enough to worry about making a change in infrastructure. Reliability is excellent too.
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If I average the last 12 months, I pay better than $300 a month.
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:



should have said "You're goddamn right."
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
Originally Posted By echo_5:
Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
My system is off grid BTW.


Is your avatar also a selfie?

I wish.



should have said "You're goddamn right."

Say my name!
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:22:07 PM EST
http://www.solar-electric.com/solar-panels-mounts-kits-accessories/prsy.html
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I am in the process of building a new shop for my farm. Anyone recommend companies to design and sell solar components?
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Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:24:07 PM EST
Arfcom has taught me that renewable energy is evil and we should all be using coal and oil. It's a fact.
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Originally Posted By CJ7365:
Can't justify solar

$80 a month
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Well when SHTF or natural disasters strike don't you still want power to get on arfcom at least?

Most grid connected inverters shut down when there is no power BTW.

100 percent off grid is the way to go.
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:



should have said "You're goddamn right."

eta

http://www.ecobusinesslinks.com/surveys/free-solar-panel-price-survey/

That's the site I've been watching the past few years. The cheapest ones are around 76 cents per rated watt now. That's the cheapest I've ever seen.
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
Originally Posted By echo_5:
Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
My system is off grid BTW.


Is your avatar also a selfie?

I wish.



should have said "You're goddamn right."

eta

http://www.ecobusinesslinks.com/surveys/free-solar-panel-price-survey/

That's the site I've been watching the past few years. The cheapest ones are around 76 cents per rated watt now. That's the cheapest I've ever seen.

The last project i was on had all malaysian made panels 330 watts each.
China is making them cheaper and cheaper also.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:29:04 PM EST
If batteries would follow a similar path downward in price, an off-grid solar system would be a no-brainer for me.
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I only have standard AGM's.

Lith ions are really pricey right now and they blow up to often.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:38:10 PM EST
Jeez louise.

34 cents per rated watt
http://sunelec.com/tianwei-90w.html

Chinese panels, I think.
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Jeez louise.

34 cents per rated watt
http://sunelec.com/tianwei-90w.html

Chinese panels, I think.
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It's a no brainier if you plan to stay at your current house.

Electricity rates will only go up no mater where you live.
Link Posted: 10/1/2014 11:51:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2014 11:53:38 PM EST by slappomatt]
I am hoping to get a leased solar setup here pretty soon. My parents just got theirs about 6 months ago and they are pretty happy. 150 a month which is about 10 more than I pay most of the time but I never run the AC. When I did for a little over a week when it got real hot my Bill was over 300. When I get solar Im breaking the Thermostat in the on position lol.
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I produced 53 Kilowatt hours of Solar electricity today.


Some cold, sunny days I run electric heaters, just to use up excess power, when the batteries are full.
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Originally Posted By slappomatt:
easy to say that living alone in a trailer. Try buying a solar system that will run a whole house AC unit in a desert with a family of 4 or 5 and your looking at 20-30 large.
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Originally Posted By slappomatt:
Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
Originally Posted By CJ7365:
Can't justify solar

$80 a month

Well when SHTF or natural disasters strike don't you still want power to get on arfcom at least?

Most grid connected inverters shut down when there is no power BTW.

100 percent off grid is the way to go.
easy to say that living alone in a trailer. Try buying a solar system that will run a whole house AC unit in a desert with a family of 4 or 5 and your looking at 20-30 large.



At 34 cents per rated watt, 10kW of power would cost you 3400 in solar panels. That's plenty to start and run the AC without drawing the batteries down.

I cannot vouch for those chinese panels, however. And yeah, add in the cost of batts and inverters. I don't think it would be 20 or 30 thousand just for a system to run a whole house AC unit, tho.

If you lived in a desert, the smarter choice might be some kind of evaporative cooler anyways. No compressor to run. All you've got to power is the water pump and the big house fan.
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:



At 34 cents per rated watt, 10kW of power would cost you 3400 in solar panels. That's plenty to start and run the AC without drawing the batteries down.

I cannot vouch for those chinese panels, however. And yeah, add in the cost of batts and inverters. I don't think it would be 20 or 30 thousand just for a system to run a whole house AC unit, tho.

If you lived in a desert, the smarter choice might be some kind of evaporative cooler anyways. No compressor to run. All you've got to power is the water pump and the big house fan.
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By slappomatt:
Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
Originally Posted By CJ7365:
Can't justify solar

$80 a month

Well when SHTF or natural disasters strike don't you still want power to get on arfcom at least?

Most grid connected inverters shut down when there is no power BTW.

100 percent off grid is the way to go.
easy to say that living alone in a trailer. Try buying a solar system that will run a whole house AC unit in a desert with a family of 4 or 5 and your looking at 20-30 large.



At 34 cents per rated watt, 10kW of power would cost you 3400 in solar panels. That's plenty to start and run the AC without drawing the batteries down.

I cannot vouch for those chinese panels, however. And yeah, add in the cost of batts and inverters. I don't think it would be 20 or 30 thousand just for a system to run a whole house AC unit, tho.

If you lived in a desert, the smarter choice might be some kind of evaporative cooler anyways. No compressor to run. All you've got to power is the water pump and the big house fan.
got me before the edit Im not talking about just the ac unit a fully operating house with tv's and lights and refrigerators and crap. Forget china junk. Top brand Sharp panels for me thank you.
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They guarantee the loans mostly.
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Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
http://www.vox.com/2014/9/29/6849723/solar-power-net-metering-utilities-fight-states

I'm gonna expand my system in a few months.

FUCK THE BIG UTILITIES.

FUCK THE TAXES WE PAY ON ELECTRICITY ALSO.



FUCK THE GOVERNMENT THAT SUBSIDIZES SOLAR.


They guarantee the loans mostly.


That's the part of the subsidy you see (but aren't there tax credits as well?). The part you don't see is the money the government poured into various solar companies (mostly now defunct). And mandating that utilities purchases any grid tied solar at the retail energy rate is itself a subsidy. The utilities should be paying the same wholesale rate that they buy the rest of their energy at.




Link Posted: 10/2/2014 12:59:14 AM EST
If they ever get dirty and you want them cleaned, that's my job. Literally, solar panel cleaning is a thing.
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So have I. It must be true.

"Why use anything else when there's SO MUCH OUT THERE?"



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If by that you mean renewable energy is greenwashed and we should be using nuclear as a stopgap until fission is feasible, then yea.



Link Posted: 10/2/2014 1:05:50 AM EST
Yay, subsidies!





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We have a special service clean our panels here..... we call it RAIN.
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Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:

Well when SHTF or natural disasters strike don't you still want power to get on arfcom at least?

Most grid connected inverters shut down when there is no power BTW.

100 percent off grid is the way to go.
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Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
Originally Posted By CJ7365:
Can't justify solar

$80 a month

Well when SHTF or natural disasters strike don't you still want power to get on arfcom at least?

Most grid connected inverters shut down when there is no power BTW.

100 percent off grid is the way to go.

I went 3 weeks on just generator and that was running the house 100% including AC 24/7. If I cut back it would last a lot longer.

Prices on electricity here would have to take a huge jump to make it payoff even in the very long term.
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Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:

Well when SHTF or natural disasters strike don't you still want power to get on arfcom at least?

Most grid connected inverters shut down when there is no power BTW.

100 percent off grid is the way to go.
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Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
Originally Posted By CJ7365:
Can't justify solar

$80 a month

Well when SHTF or natural disasters strike don't you still want power to get on arfcom at least?

Most grid connected inverters shut down when there is no power BTW.

100 percent off grid is the way to go.

New inverters allow batteries or generators. There is a refridgertor sized battery system coming out. I also only get the bulk rate when they buy back my power. Also solar is no more subsidized than Nuclear
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New inverters allow batteries or generators. There is a refridgertor sized battery system coming out. I also only get the bulk rate when they buy back my power. Also solar is no more subsidized than Nuclear
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Originally Posted By TheWind:
Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
Originally Posted By CJ7365:
Can't justify solar

$80 a month

Well when SHTF or natural disasters strike don't you still want power to get on arfcom at least?

Most grid connected inverters shut down when there is no power BTW.

100 percent off grid is the way to go.

New inverters allow batteries or generators. There is a refridgertor sized battery system coming out. I also only get the bulk rate when they buy back my power. Also solar is no more subsidized than Nuclear


Solar power also generates the same output per dollar subsidized as nuclear energy.
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Originally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
http://www.vox.com/2014/9/29/6849723/solar-power-net-metering-utilities-fight-states

I'm gonna expand my system in a few months.

FUCK THE BIG UTILITIES.

FUCK THE TAXES WE PAY ON ELECTRICITY ALSO.



FUCK THE GOVERNMENT THAT SUBSIDIZES SOLAR.



and agriculture, oil, auto, financial, etc etc etc...
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Originally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
http://www.vox.com/2014/9/29/6849723/solar-power-net-metering-utilities-fight-states

I'm gonna expand my system in a few months.

FUCK THE BIG UTILITIES.

FUCK THE TAXES WE PAY ON ELECTRICITY ALSO.



FUCK THE GOVERNMENT THAT SUBSIDIZES SOLAR.

No shit.
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They guarantee the loans mostly.
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Originally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
http://www.vox.com/2014/9/29/6849723/solar-power-net-metering-utilities-fight-states

I'm gonna expand my system in a few months.

FUCK THE BIG UTILITIES.

FUCK THE TAXES WE PAY ON ELECTRICITY ALSO.



FUCK THE GOVERNMENT THAT SUBSIDIZES SOLAR.


They guarantee the loans mostly.
And give tax incentives to those who buy solar and give cash handouts to companies
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and agriculture, oil, auto, financial, etc etc etc...
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Originally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
http://www.vox.com/2014/9/29/6849723/solar-power-net-metering-utilities-fight-states

I'm gonna expand my system in a few months.

FUCK THE BIG UTILITIES.

FUCK THE TAXES WE PAY ON ELECTRICITY ALSO.



FUCK THE GOVERNMENT THAT SUBSIDIZES SOLAR.



and agriculture, oil, auto, financial, etc etc etc...

Yea but no farmers=no food.............so I've been told.
Link Posted: 10/2/2014 7:10:49 AM EST
The sun is scary.
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Link Posted: 10/2/2014 7:20:34 AM EST
Reminds me of the water shortage in California years ago. LA water company went on a conserve water campaign.
Problem is it worked so good that their revenues went down and had to raise water rates to raise more money.
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Between the cost of batteries, Inverters, pannels, controllers, and cables...are you really going to save any money in the end? What about winter time, when you get less sun. Have fun replacing your batteries when they die.

With that said, I think that solar energy is pretty cool and I would likely do it if I though it was cost effective to run my entire home, which it isn't. Free energy really isn't free.
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Solar power also generates the same output per dollar subsidized as nuclear energy.
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Originally Posted By TheWind:
Originally Posted By KTMRIDER:
Originally Posted By CJ7365:
Can't justify solar

$80 a month

Well when SHTF or natural disasters strike don't you still want power to get on arfcom at least?

Most grid connected inverters shut down when there is no power BTW.

100 percent off grid is the way to go.

New inverters allow batteries or generators. There is a refridgertor sized battery system coming out. I also only get the bulk rate when they buy back my power. Also solar is no more subsidized than Nuclear


Solar power also generates the same output per dollar subsidized as nuclear energy.


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