Social Security Agreement With Mexico Released After 3 1/2 Year Freedom of Information Act Battle
www.SeniorsLeague.org

   WASHINGTON, Dec. 29 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- After numerous refusals
   over three and a half years, the Social Security Administration (SSA) has
   released the first known public copy of the U.S.-Mexico Social Security
   Totalization Agreement. The government was forced to make the disclosure in
   response to lawsuits filed under the Freedom of Information Act by TREA
   Senior Citizens League, a 1.2 million-member nonpartisan seniors advocacy
   group.
   The Totalization Agreement could allow millions of illegal Mexican
   workers to draw billions of dollars from the U.S. Social Security Trust
   Fund.
   The agreement between the U.S. and Mexico was signed in June 2004, and
   is awaiting President Bush's signature. Once President Bush approves the
   agreement, which would be done without Congressional vote, either House of
   Congress would have 60 days to disapprove the agreement by voting to reject
   it.
   "The Social Security Administration itself warns that Social Security
   is within decades of bankruptcy -- yet, they seem to have no problem making
   agreements that hasten its demise," said Ralph McCutchen, Chairman of the
   TREA Senior Citizens League.
   The U.S. currently has 21 similar agreements in effect with other
   nations, which are intended to eliminate dual taxation for persons who work
   outside their country of origin. All of the agreements are with developed
   nations with economies similar to that of the U.S.
   For example, a worker who turns 62 after 1990 generally needs 40
   calendar quarters of coverage to receive retirement benefits. Under
   totalization agreements, workers are allowed to combine earnings from both
   countries in order to qualify for benefits. The Agreement with Mexico, like
   other totalization agreements, would allow workers to qualify with just six
   quarters, or 18 months, of U.S. coverage.
   But Mexico's retirement system is radically different than that of
   other participating countries. For example, only 40 percent of
   non-government workers participate in Mexico's system, whereas 96 percent
   of America's non- government workers do. In addition, the U.S. system is
   progressive, meaning lower wage earners get back much more than they put
   in; in Mexico, workers get back only what they put in, plus accrued
   interest.
   "I applaud the persistent efforts of TREA Senior Citizens League to try
   to get documents from the U.S. Government about the U.S.-Mexico Social
   Security Totalization Agreement," said Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.). "The
   American people are finally beginning to get some of the information
   regarding this Agreement that they have been seeking for so long."
   According to the SSA, the Social Security Trust Fund will begin paying
   out more than it is taking in by 2017, and will be exhausted by the year
   2040.
   With 1.2 million members, TREA Senior Citizens League is one of the
   nation's largest nonpartisan seniors groups. Visit
   http://www.SeniorsLeague.org for more information or to see the
   Totalization Agreement documents.



   SOURCE TREA Senior Citizens League

makes me ill.  And of course we have no choice as to whether or not we want to contribute to the damn fund or not- I sure won't be getting any money from it come my time to retire- let alone my children.

We will not get a dime. They have stolen money out of my checks since I started working and for what. Congress has used our money to fund their worthless projects and buy votes.

I am becoming so f*cking disgusted...

Quoted: makes me ill.  And of course we have no choice as to whether or not we want to contribute to the damn fund or not- I sure won't be getting any money from it come my time to retire- let alone my children.

That's the truth!  I'd let them keep every penny I've donated w/out asking for any benefits EVER, if they'd let me stop paying!

And on 1-1-07 when the dims take control of the senate, he will have no objections to it being signed...

Just one of the steps towards the north american union

And we will hear nary a peep out of the mainstream media about it....

Quoted: And on 1-1-07 when the dims take control of the senate, he will have no objections to it being signed... Just one of the steps towards the north american union And we will hear nary a peep out of the mainstream media about it....

+1


And many here will still say it won't happen

Quoted: Quoted: And on 1-1-07 when the dims take control of the senate, he will have no objections to it being signed... Just one of the steps towards the north american union And we will hear nary a peep out of the mainstream media about it.... +1 And many here will still say it won't happen

I wonder at what point does the sand in one's ears become bearable?

I can't wait for that bastard to leave office

Bush will be as much of a stain on this country's history as Carter..

I'm walking around the house ranting and raving about this!

Do people realize what this will do?

Do they realize what all the 'instant citizens' will do - they'll run and apply for all the handouts the U.S. offers.

rhetorical I know, but man this has me fuming!!!

Quoted: Quoted: makes me ill.  And of course we have no choice as to whether or not we want to contribute to the damn fund or not- I sure won't be getting any money from it come my time to retire- let alone my children. That's the truth!  I'd let them keep every penny I've donated w/out asking for any benefits EVER, if they'd let me stop paying!

Sounds great if you're thirty.  

Some of us have been paying into that Ponzi scam for over 25 years.  

I've fucking had it, I swear to God.

Damn!

Does anyone have a link to the actual document?  I can't find it.


Fuck this has made me mad!!!

what in the flying fuck are they doing to this country?

They're giving it away, that's what.

Here's some stuff:  www.ssa.gov/pressoffice/factsheets/USandMexico.htm

I gotta go eat dinner and bitch to everyone at the table now.

Quoted: I can't wait for that bastard to leave office

That makes two of us. I voted for him twice. Life long Republican and I am totally F-In sick of his bullshit.

Here is a link with more on this scam. www.tscl.org/NewContent/102697.asp

Quoted: Quoted: And on 1-1-07 when the dims take control of the senate, he will have no objections to it being signed... Just one of the steps towards the north american union And we will hear nary a peep out of the mainstream media about it.... +1 And many here will still say it won't happen

Several recent threads have made it clear who is on the side of Liberty and who is on the side of Tyranny.

May they all reap what they sew.  

Wow.  Absolutely disgusting.  

to me ss is just a form of welfare. and they outta treat it like that. if you need welfare when you are old, you get it. if you don't you dont.

period..

and i've been paying in for 30 years. mayhap i'll change my attitude when it comes time to collect, but right not i dont give a rats ass if i see one ss check.

its welfare. gov takes a lot of money i earn and disperses it in all kinds of ways i would prefer they didna. but instead of worrying about what the gov takes and what it does with it, i worry about how much i make and how much i save.. and how much it costs me to live and how much it will cost me to live, if the gov gives me no ss when my time comes.. worrying about gov taxes of which ss is a big part for many of us, is worrying about friction or getting old. it happens, nothing can be done about it. leave it be and plan accordingly and dont worry about it..

I don't get it, are they going to transfer funds directly to the corrupt Mexican govt? Fuck that. I want every penny cross accounted to a legal resident alien with a green card and with a foreign national tax ID at a minimum.

AND BITCHING ON THE INTERNET SOLVES IT ALL!!!

Try doing something

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: makes me ill.  And of course we have no choice as to whether or not we want to contribute to the damn fund or not- I sure won't be getting any money from it come my time to retire- let alone my children. That's the truth!  I'd let them keep every penny I've donated w/out asking for any benefits EVER, if they'd let me stop paying! Sounds great if you're thirty.   Some of us have been paying into that Ponzi scam for over 25 years.

I've been paying in for 23 years and I'd still let them keep it to get out now - I'd come out ahead in the end (doubly so if I could get my employer's half as well).

I dont know why, but I am not supprised at all. Sickened, but not supprised. Oh well, off to shoot an email to my reps about this

If this is true, why would the RINOs set around and ring their hands over getting their asses waxed in the last election.

Ah WTF

It just never ends......

Oh well, Happy New Year?

Quoted: It just never ends...... Oh well, Happy New Year?

Aint it the truth. You read shit like this, and not long ago I would have called BS to a story like this but now, eh.

It makes you wanna either go on a laughing jag or fly into a homicidal rage.

Happy New Year America

This is what happens when we get country club elitist RINOs.

Here are the ones for other countries: www.socialsecurity.gov/international/agreement_descriptions.html#descriptions

Can't find the exact one for Mexico.

Quoted: Quoted: It just never ends...... Oh well, Happy New Year? Aint it the truth. You read shit like this, and not long ago I would have called BS to a story like this but now, eh. It makes you wanna either go on a laughing jag or fly into a homicidal rage. Happy New Year AmeriKa

Fixed it for you, comrade!  

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