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Posted: 10/24/2013 5:59:07 PM EST
USA Today is reporting (link) that the Kenyan's new friends the Iranians could be as close as a month away from having enough fissile material to make a bomb. Assuming that this is true when do the Israelis act, if they decide to do so, and what such an attack look like? Duration? How would the Iranians respond? How would the major players in the region react?
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Where's it located and how was this information obtained?
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 6:01:53 PM EST
Israel has been foing for better than a half a century.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 6:02:21 PM EST
they wont act without the US
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 6:03:11 PM EST
I'd guess a terrible mistake by an Iranian scientist brings the whole facility crashing down.

If that fails, they'd carpet bomb those goat fuckers back to the Persian Empire.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 6:06:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By rykn0w:
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Um they have in the past. Look up the Iraq Nuclear reactor strike.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 6:06:31 PM EST
The Obama administration has decided to allow Iran to get the bomb.
Israel will not.
This will get interesting.
I think Israel will do it soon enough so as not to be too close the 2014 US Congressional elections.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 6:20:14 PM EST
My theory is Israel is done with the US, they've already discussed this in secret with the Saudis, Oman, Bahrain, Turkey and Jordan, and they're all agreed--Iran must go. Only the big Shiite states want Iran to be powerful. The Sunni states are ready to do something, and if Israel will do it for them, so much the better. But I'm no expert, and I've never been to the Mid East.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 6:24:15 PM EST
Iran's been six months from getting the bomb for years.

Israel already has the bomb. They'd be fools to attack Israel.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 6:29:05 PM EST
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Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Um they have in the past. Look up the Iraq Nuclear reactor strike.
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Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Originally Posted By rykn0w:
they wont act without the US
Um they have in the past. Look up the Iraq Nuclear reactor strike.
30 some years ago, how many billions in aid since?
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 6:30:31 PM EST
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Israelis will strike when they deem necessary...as they have over 100 nukes....and could completely obliterate Iran anytime they wanted too...
FWIW they have been assassinating their nuke scientists and computer geeks left and right as best as they can...
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Originally Posted By rykn0w:
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Ya right

They know they have to act alone with this administration
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 6:36:57 PM EST
They'll fo as soon as the Zekes top the wall.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 6:51:46 PM EST
When they are certain someone has a weapon or they can't stop one from being made.

I'm sure they know the exact state if Irans nuke program and as long as they can make a scientist go boom here and there to keep things from happening they will hold off.

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Originally Posted By rykn0w:
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I wouldn't count on that.
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Yep!
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Yep!
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Yep!


Word up!
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Link Posted: 10/25/2013 6:46:08 PM EST
Operation Jew Strike? What color will the ribbons be?
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 6:46:09 PM EST
Israelis are pussies.They will never FO.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 6:51:17 PM EST
NOTHING will happen as always.
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30 some years ago, how many billions in aid since?
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Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Originally Posted By rykn0w:
they wont act without the US
Um they have in the past. Look up the Iraq Nuclear reactor strike.
30 some years ago, how many billions in aid since?
Not thirty years ago. They've been killing iranian physicists like nobodies business, and stuxnet was genius.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 6:57:51 PM EST
If they are going to go it's going to have to be soon.

As capable as the IDF and the Israeli Airforce are, a strike to take out Iran's uranium enrichment facilities doesn't really play to their strengths. I'd not even sure they have the required equipment, not having any sort of serious bomber force capable of carrying bunker buster bombs of the required size. I just don't believe that the F15 Strike Eagle is the right tool for this.

I hope I'm wrong and they do have the wherewithal to carry out this mission, but the world shouldn't depend on Israel to do the heavy lifting on an issue with such global implications.


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Originally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
If they are going to go it's going to have to be soon.

As capable as the IDF and the Israeli Airforce are, a strike to take out Iran's uranium enrichment facilities doesn't really play to their strengths. I'd not even sure they have the required equipment, not having any sort of serious bomber force capable of carrying bunker buster bombs of the required size. I just don't believe that the F15 Strike Eagle is the right tool for this.

I hope I'm wrong and they do have the wherewithal to carry out this mission, but the world shouldn't depend on Israel to do the heavy lifting on an issue with such global implications.


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I like your avatar.

And no one says the jews have to do it all in one trip...
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:02:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Fury_58:
Iran's been six months from getting the bomb for years.

Israel already has the bomb. They'd be fools to attack Israel.
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It's very unlikely that Israel will make first use of the bomb. Israel's nuclear weapons might be a successful deterrent against Iran using their bomb, but it won't be a deterrent against Iran getting the bomb in the first place. That would require a significant conventional strike.



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I like your avatar.

And no one says the jews have to do it all in one trip...
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Originally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
If they are going to go it's going to have to be soon.

As capable as the IDF and the Israeli Airforce are, a strike to take out Iran's uranium enrichment facilities doesn't really play to their strengths. I'd not even sure they have the required equipment, not having any sort of serious bomber force capable of carrying bunker buster bombs of the required size. I just don't believe that the F15 Strike Eagle is the right tool for this.

I hope I'm wrong and they do have the wherewithal to carry out this mission, but the world shouldn't depend on Israel to do the heavy lifting on an issue with such global implications.




I like your avatar.

And no one says the jews have to do it all in one trip...



The problem is that Iran has put their enrichment facilities deep underground (Natanz for example). If you can't drop a very large bunker buster (or go to a nuclear bunker buster), you really just can't do them any damage. I think we're talking about something on the order of a Tallboy or Grandslam or larger here. Say 10,000 to 20,000 lbs or more. Israel just doesn't have anything in their inventory that can carry something that large. I suppose if you're prepared to take very large losses you might convert cargo or commercial aircraft to the task, but definitely not an optimal delivery system.

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Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Um they have in the past. Look up the Iraq Nuclear reactor strike.
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Originally Posted By rykn0w:
they wont act without the US
Um they have in the past. Look up the Iraq Nuclear reactor strike.


Iranian nuclear sites are scattered across the country in hardened bunkers under mountains and such. Fighters can't lug a bunker buster big enough to bother them.
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Well played. Thanks for posting.

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Iran is far enough away from Iran and have dispersed their assets/targets well enough that I don't think the Israelis can stop the Iranians.

I think the answer to the Iranian bomb problem is to simply destroy their economy.

"Simply" is probably a bit of an understatement. The quickest way would be to put up a naval blockade on the Iranians and shut off their money (i.e. unrest in the streets by the part of the population that isn't enamored with the ruling religious government.)

Or we can hope that the current sanctions eventually work.

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Iran is far enough away from Iran and have dispersed their assets/targets well enough that I don't think the Israelis can stop the Iranians.

I think the answer to the Iranian bomb problem is to simply destroy their economy.

"Simply" is probably a bit of an understatement. The quickest way would be to put up a naval blockade on the Iranians and shut off their money (i.e. unrest in the streets by the part of the population that isn't enamored with the ruling religious government.)

Or we can hope that the current sanctions eventually work.

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A blockade might well do the trick. The problem is that there is no political will in this administration for that and Israel doesn't have the forces to enforce a blockade on it's on. And if we're waiting on the "international community" to do it we might as well be waiting on unicorns.


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Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno:
Iran is far enough away from Iran and have dispersed their assets/targets well enough that I don't think the Israelis can stop the Iranians.
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They are a nation state with natural resources. They can't be stopped. The most that can be hoped for is to upset the timetable. Upsetting the time table forces them into an adversarial and hostile posture once they go nuclear.

1. The world will simply be forced to accept a nuclear Iran.
2. Most Iranians are self absorbed, busy with their own lives, and don't GAF about Israel or America other than the sanctions that prevent them from going about their business.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:27:09 PM EST
Originally Posted By KentuckyCapitalist:
USA Today is reporting (link) that the Kenyan's new friends the Iranians could be as close as a month away from having enough fissile material to make a bomb. Assuming that this is true when do the Israelis act, if they decide to do so, and what such an attack look like? Duration? How would the Iranians respond? How would the major players in the region react?
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i'm sorry, 13er here and i have tro ask.....I know 20 meaning for FO. What does it mean on Arfcom? I've seen it used a many places I could apply a number of definitions to.... Can someone clue me in?
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hehe you keep thinking that.


Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:36:11 PM EST
lol Tomislav, how dare you bring logic into GD.


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i'm sorry, 13er here and i have tro ask.....I know 20 meaning for FO. What does it mean on Arfcom? I've seen it used a many places I could apply a number of definitions to.... Can someone clue me in?
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Originally Posted By KentuckyCapitalist:
USA Today is reporting (link) that the Kenyan's new friends the Iranians could be as close as a month away from having enough fissile material to make a bomb. Assuming that this is true when do the Israelis act, if they decide to do so, and what such an attack look like? Duration? How would the Iranians respond? How would the major players in the region react?



i'm sorry, 13er here and i have tro ask.....I know 20 meaning for FO. What does it mean on Arfcom? I've seen it used a many places I could apply a number of definitions to.... Can someone clue me in?
Fo = alcohol supported decision to move forward on a questionable course of action. Drunk typo of the verb "go".
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 5:38:49 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Saint_Peter:
The Obama administration has decided to allow Iran to get the bomb.
Israel will not.
This will get interesting.
I think Israel will do it soon enough so as not to be too close the 2014 US Congressional elections.
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yes...soon, I hope. Israel does not need to wait for our permission.
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Originally Posted By j_treckler:


They are a nation state with natural resources. They can't be stopped. The most that can be hoped for is to upset the timetable. Upsetting the time table forces them into an adversarial and hostile posture once they go nuclear.

1. The world will simply be forced to accept a nuclear Iran.
2. Most Iranians are self absorbed, busy with their own lives, and don't GAF about Israel or America other than the sanctions that prevent them from going about their business.
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Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno:
Iran is far enough away from Iran and have dispersed their assets/targets well enough that I don't think the Israelis can stop the Iranians.


They are a nation state with natural resources. They can't be stopped. The most that can be hoped for is to upset the timetable. Upsetting the time table forces them into an adversarial and hostile posture once they go nuclear.

1. The world will simply be forced to accept a nuclear Iran.
2. Most Iranians are self absorbed, busy with their own lives, and don't GAF about Israel or America other than the sanctions that prevent them from going about their business.



We didn't have to accept a nuclear armed Cuba. You have to either destroy the ability or make the process to that end goal more painful than what it's worth.

I think the targets are so well dispersed that it would take a protacted campaign to destroy it. Israel doesn't have the ability and we don't have the will.

That means that we have to go after something else - the ability of the country to survive....economically.

Link Posted: 10/26/2013 6:42:32 AM EST
And, the ''Muslim-in-Chief'' is too busy trying to destroy America to give much thought to Iran. He has his hands full here.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 6:47:34 AM EST
Israel won't do squat, unless the US will join in and foot the damn bill for that war.
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