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11/22/2017 10:05:29 PM
Posted: 9/9/2004 7:28:38 PM EST
I can't find the receipt to two of my rifles. Other than needed that for insurance purposes, how would not having the bill of sale/receipt be a problem? And what about if you didn't have the receipt for you AR?
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:29:12 PM EST
Were they bought on yellow form?
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:30:51 PM EST
Who frigging cares? It's mine unless you can prove otherwise. We can buy used guns all day long face to face anyway. Anything I bought on a yellow form is in the .gov database.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:31:26 PM EST
I don't think you need them in Utah, I dont know for sure though.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:31:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheKill:
Anything I bought on a yellow form is in the .gov database.



That's the idea. If it's on yellow form he has proof it's his shit.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:32:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/9/2004 7:34:52 PM EST by Alien]

Originally Posted By TheKill:
Who frigging cares? It's mine unless you can prove otherwise. We can buy used guns all day long face to face anyway. Anything I bought on a yellow form is in the .gov database.



Those records are supposedly destroyed on the .gov level though.

The problem is, I'm not sure if they actually do.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:32:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By ar50troll:
Were they bought on yellow form?



Will one rifle was bought from a gunshop (yellow form I guess) and the other from a friend of mine whos is an FFL dealer. Damn, now I'm looking ALL OVER the place for the receipts.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:33:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By Alien:

Originally Posted By TheKill:
Who frigging cares? It's mine unless you can prove otherwise. We can buy used guns all day long face to face anyway. Anything I bought on a yellow form is in the .gov database.



Those records are supposedly destroyed though.

The problem is, I'm not sure if they actually do.



Something tells me that any info the man collects is on a hard drive somewhere. regardless of what the man says.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:33:46 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:33:52 PM EST
Yellow 4473 is kept by the dealer and surrendered to the BATF when he is no longer licensed.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:34:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By urbankaos04:

Originally Posted By ar50troll:
Were they bought on yellow form?



Will one rifle was bought from a gunshop (yellow form I guess) and the other from a friend of mine whos is an FFL dealer. Damn, now I'm looking ALL OVER the place for the receipts.



Not that it's gonna help U now but I keep all my recipts in a manilla folder in my safe.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:35:27 PM EST
Steyr: So should I just jot down the serial numbers on the rifles along with the make and model? Would that suffice for ownership?
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:35:34 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:35:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Yellow 4473 is kept by the dealer and surrendered to the BATF when he is no longer licensed.



Yeah, I corrected my post after realizing that dealers keep records.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:36:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Yellow 4473 is kept by the dealer and surrendered to the BATF when he is no longer licensed.



Or destroyed after 10 years..... and BATF never sees it.


Who cares about a bill of sale. I dont have ANY receipts or paperwork in my possesion for ANY of my guns.... not a single one. Wouldnt really want any either.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:36:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By Alien:

Originally Posted By TheKill:
Who frigging cares? It's mine unless you can prove otherwise. We can buy used guns all day long face to face anyway. Anything I bought on a yellow form is in the .gov database.



Those records are supposedly destroyed though.

The problem is, I'm not sure if they actually do.



4473's are retained by the dealer. They don't go in a data base. Some states have their own forms that go to the state (those might end up in a database). Dealers archive the 4473's and are required to ship them to ATF if and or when they go out of business. As Far as I know they are just archived.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:36:59 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:37:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By Alien:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Yellow 4473 is kept by the dealer and surrendered to the BATF when he is no longer licensed.



Yeah, I corrected my post after realizing that dealers keep records.



So, I can just go back to the respective places I bought each of my rifles and ask for a copy???
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:38:00 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:38:50 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:48:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/9/2004 7:48:41 PM EST by urbankaos04]
Steyr: I wasn't asking for any particular reason, but since I couldn't find the damn receipts I started to think about a couple of what if scenarios:

*What if I used the firearm for protection at home? How could I PROVE it was mine to the cops?

*What if it was stolen? (But Steyr stated that video would cover this.)

I guess I'm just OCD when it comes to having certain paperwork. How I lost these receipts is beyond me and it's driving me crazy.

I guess what I'm trying to say here is when would NOT having receipts for a firearm be a bad thing?
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:52:47 PM EST
If your firearm in question is ever banned by the state and theres a registration period, you might just get fucked if you don't have the bill of sale.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:55:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mmanwitgun:
If your firearm in question is ever banned by the state and theres a registration period, you might just get fucked if you don't have the bill of sale.



Yep, that's another "what if?"
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 8:01:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By FALARAK:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Yellow 4473 is kept by the dealer and surrendered to the BATF when he is no longer licensed.



Or destroyed after 10 years..... and BATF never sees it.






Actually it is now 20 years. But all other info is correct.




20 years damn, thats a long time, what happens if you get out of the business and you surrender those forms to the ATF what do they do with them??
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 8:12:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By ar50troll:

Originally Posted By Alien:

Originally Posted By TheKill:
Who frigging cares? It's mine unless you can prove otherwise. We can buy used guns all day long face to face anyway. Anything I bought on a yellow form is in the .gov database.



Those records are supposedly destroyed though.

The problem is, I'm not sure if they actually do.



Something tells me that any info the man collects is on a hard drive somewhere. regardless of what the man says.




Guys the ONLY info they have is that you bought either a "handgun" or a "long gun" on that date.

They have no idea if it was one Mossberg pump or 5 AR15s.



I thought I heard that they don't even keep that information anymore. supposedly they purge your info 24 hours after the proceed response
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 9:36:47 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 9:42:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By FALARAK:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Yellow 4473 is kept by the dealer and surrendered to the BATF when he is no longer licensed.



Or destroyed after 10 years..... and BATF never sees it.

Actually it is now 20 years. But all other info is correct.

Oh shit when did that happen?

And is it retroactive?

What a bunch of crap!

Link Posted: 9/10/2004 5:51:50 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 5:53:28 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 5:54:29 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 5:56:45 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 6:00:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By FALARAK:


Who cares about a bill of sale. I dont have ANY receipts or paperwork in my possesion for ANY of my guns.... not a single one. Wouldnt really want any either.



+1
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 6:03:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By JCKnife:

Originally Posted By FALARAK:


Who cares about a bill of sale. I dont have ANY receipts or paperwork in my possesion for ANY of my guns.... not a single one. Wouldnt really want any either.



+1



+2.

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