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Posted: 12/17/2010 11:32:33 PM EDT
I love the Swiss. EVERYTHING MUST be in order.
 http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2010/12/17/UBS-dress-code-goes-from-toe-to-head/UPI-21821292634382/ UBS dress code goes from toe to headPublished: Dec. 17, 2010 at 8:06 PM ZURICH, Switzerland, Dec. 17 (UPI) –– The giant Swiss bank UBS has given its staff a 43-page dress code that includes a dictum that women must wear flesh-colored undergarments. While that rule has attracted the most attention, the code takes employees from toe (no fun socks and men should not wear the same pair of dress shoes two days in a row) to head (no hair dye for men and women should not have roots showing). The company even follows employees to the bathroom, advising women to take a hot shower and use body lotion to open pores before adding perfume discreetly, Deutsche Welle reported. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 12:34:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/18/2010 12:50:52 AM EDT
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I love the Swiss. EVERYTHING MUST be in order.
http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2010/12/17/UBS-dress-code-goes-from-toe-to-head/UPI-21821292634382/ UBS dress code goes from toe to headPublished: Dec. 17, 2010 at 8:06 PM
ZURICH, Switzerland, Dec. 17 (UPI) –– The giant Swiss bank UBS has given its staff a 43-page dress code that includes a dictum that women must wear flesh-colored undergarments.
While that rule has attracted the most attention, the code takes employees from toe (no fun socks and men should not wear the same pair of dress shoes two days in a row) to head (no hair dye for men and women should not have roots showing). The company even follows employees to the bathroom, advising women to take a hot shower and use body lotion to open pores before adding perfume discreetly, Deutsche Welle reported.
Some of that seems a bit excessive, but some of it seems like a needed reaction to people not being raised right. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 2:26:05 AM EDT
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It's making scandal out here. Won't stand for long..
the part about how the women should iron their clothes, and what underwear to use, is priceless ! |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 2:28:08 AM EDT
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It's making scandal out here. Won't stand for long.. the part about how the women should iron their clothes, and what underwear to use, is priceless ! Rules like that don't get written unless there have been problems in the past. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 2:38:30 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: It's making scandal out here. Won't stand for long.. the part about how the women should iron their clothes, and what underwear to use, is priceless ! Rules like that don't get written unless there have been problems in the past. Yep. I'm sure there were some people that pushed the line on business appropriate clothing in the past. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 2:52:07 AM EDT
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Well... it is sure that some people may have dressed improperly, but that isnt a reason to push for a totalitarian and abusive dress code, anyway.
the "dress code" isnt in discussion.. what is in discussion is the degree of details they tried to push for. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 3:06:39 AM EDT
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Quoted: Well... it is sure that some people may have dressed improperly, but that isnt a reason to push for a totalitarian and abusive dress code, anyway. the "dress code" isnt in discussion.. what is in discussion is the degree of details they tried to push for. It even says guys will trim their nails to 1.5mm. They also can't wear the same shoes two days in a row. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 3:10:17 AM EDT
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En totale.
http://www.letemps.ch/rw/Le_Temps/Quotidien/2010/12/09/Culture%20&%20Societe/ImagesWeb/Dresscode_F.pdf mais, en francais. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 3:17:16 AM EDT
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OK, its not 43 pages of single spaced text on what is required and verboten.
There are many full-page art photos of clothes and accessories, a page on how to tie windsor or four-in-hand knots in your neckties... its how to dress for business work from A to Z. Another overdrawn media circus over nothing. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 3:19:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: OK, its not 43 pages of single spaced text on what is required and verboten. There are many full-page art photos of clothes and accessories, a page on how to tie windsor or four-in-hand knots in your neckties... its how to dress for business work from A to Z. Another overdrawn media circus over nothing. Also, if you read carefully , much of it is suggestions. They are very specific about some things though.BTW, I am 100% in support of a strict dress code and wish more industries in the US would start doing it again. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 3:21:35 AM EDT
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I understand the need for corporate standards.....supporting the vision of the brand and all....but telling me how to dress with that level of detail is ridiculous. My company tells me I need to wear a tie. Fine. When they start telling me what knot to use, how long the tail in the back can be, at what point on my torso the tie may fall to, what patterns, fabric, and colors the tie can be....perhaps the issue isnt the tie in the first place....perhaps the company needs different employees. HR could spend less time on writing dress codes and simply change their interview process to recuit the type of people they are looking for in the first place.
I work for a place where you arent allowed to smoke. You cant light up a ciggarette anywhere on my campus...the entire office park is smoke free. It would be about a 10 minute walk....one-way....to get to the edge of the property to have a smoke. At interviews, of course, we arent allowed to ask candidates if they smoke....that is against the rules 
Then, if we hire someone and it turns out they smoke, our policy is to offer them smoking cessation treatment therapies, like nicotine gum or patches. 
Just screen the damn candidates and hire people that fit into your culture. Some stuff just boggles the mind. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 3:21:51 AM EDT
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En totale. http://www.letemps.ch/rw/Le_Temps/Quotidien/2010/12/09/Culture%20&%20Societe/ImagesWeb/Dresscode_F.pdf mais, en francais. I was really hoping it was in German. Some people around here could use the guidelines. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 3:22:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: I understand the need for corporate standards.....supporting the vision of the brand and all....but telling me how to dress with that level of detail is ridiculous. My company tells me I need to wear a tie. Fine. When they start telling me what knot to use, how long the tail in the back can be, at what point on my torso the tie may fall to, what patterns, fabric, and colors the tie can be....perhaps the issue isnt the tie in the first place....perhaps the company needs different employees. HR could spend less time on writing dress codes and simply change their interview process to recuit the type of people they are looking for in the first place. I work for a place where you arent allowed to smoke. You cant light up a ciggarette anywhere on my campus...the entire office park is smoke free. It would be about a 10 minute walk....one-way....to get to the edge of the property to have a smoke. At interviews, of course, we arent allowed to ask candidates if they smoke....that is against the rules Then, if we hire someone and it turns out they smoke, our policy is to offer them smoking cessation treatment therapies, like nicotine gum or patches. Just screen the damn candidates and hire people that fit into your culture. Some stuff just boggles the mind. Typical American.  You must think like a Swiss. They are more German than Germans.
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Posted: 12/18/2010 3:26:59 AM EDT
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OK, its not 43 pages of single spaced text on what is required and verboten. There are many full-page art photos of clothes and accessories, a page on how to tie windsor or four-in-hand knots in your neckties... its how to dress for business work from A to Z. Another overdrawn media circus over nothing. Also, if you read carefully , much of it is suggestions. They are very specific about some things though.
BTW, I am 100% in support of a strict dress code and wish more industries in the US would start doing it again. Absolutely, they are an employer trying to create a certain image their business relies on. Nothing in their demands or suggestions is lewd, inappropriate or demeaning to the employee. In fact, its mostly just sound hygiene and proper business attire acumen. If anything the employee should be embarrassed if these things had to be pointed out to them. Don't like it, go work somewhere else. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 3:28:09 AM EDT
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I understand the need for corporate standards.....supporting the vision of the brand and all....but telling me how to dress with that level of detail is ridiculous. My company tells me I need to wear a tie. Fine. When they start telling me what knot to use, how long the tail in the back can be, at what point on my torso the tie may fall to, what patterns, fabric, and colors the tie can be....perhaps the issue isnt the tie in the first place....perhaps the company needs different employees. HR could spend less time on writing dress codes and simply change their interview process to recuit the type of people they are looking for in the first place. I work for a place where you arent allowed to smoke. You cant light up a ciggarette anywhere on my campus...the entire office park is smoke free. It would be about a 10 minute walk....one-way....to get to the edge of the property to have a smoke. At interviews, of course, we arent allowed to ask candidates if they smoke....that is against the rules
Then, if we hire someone and it turns out they smoke, our policy is to offer them smoking cessation treatment therapies, like nicotine gum or patches.
Just screen the damn candidates and hire people that fit into your culture. Some stuff just boggles the mind. Typical American.
You must think like a Swiss. They are more German than Germans. The way I see it, whoever runs the company calls the shots. They get to dictate what the employees do and how they do it. But...at a point...its ridiculous. If an employer has gotten to the point where they feel the need to 'manage out' specific personality traits and personal grooming habits, perhaps they ought to hire differently from the outset. I get 'uniformity'......especially at a bank....but seriously...I like my shoes..I wore them every day this week. According to my desire for comfort, I cant work at their bank. I can only imagine what they would think of 'casual fridays' at most American based companies...especially out in the pacific northwest. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 3:32:25 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I understand the need for corporate standards.....supporting the vision of the brand and all....but telling me how to dress with that level of detail is ridiculous. My company tells me I need to wear a tie. Fine. When they start telling me what knot to use, how long the tail in the back can be, at what point on my torso the tie may fall to, what patterns, fabric, and colors the tie can be....perhaps the issue isnt the tie in the first place....perhaps the company needs different employees. HR could spend less time on writing dress codes and simply change their interview process to recuit the type of people they are looking for in the first place. I work for a place where you arent allowed to smoke. You cant light up a ciggarette anywhere on my campus...the entire office park is smoke free. It would be about a 10 minute walk....one-way....to get to the edge of the property to have a smoke. At interviews, of course, we arent allowed to ask candidates if they smoke....that is against the rules Then, if we hire someone and it turns out they smoke, our policy is to offer them smoking cessation treatment therapies, like nicotine gum or patches. Just screen the damn candidates and hire people that fit into your culture. Some stuff just boggles the mind. Typical American. You must think like a Swiss. They are more German than Germans. The way I see it, whoever runs the company calls the shots. They get to dictate what the employees do and how they do it. But...at a point...its ridiculous. If an employer has gotten to the point where they feel the need to 'manage out' specific personality traits and personal grooming habits, perhaps they ought to hire differently from the outset. I get 'uniformity'......especially at a bank....but seriously...I like my shoes..I wore them every day this week. According to my desire for comfort, I cant work at their bank. I can only imagine what they would think of 'casual fridays' at most American based companies...especially out in the pacific northwest. Yeah, I don't think casual Friday would go over well there. 
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Posted: 12/18/2010 3:39:38 AM EDT
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From the "don't" page - need an assist from a better French speaker:
Shoes - shoes dirty and not maintained, or worn heels - cotton socks with shoes - plastic shoes with crepe soles Socks - socks are too short, to where the skin is visible - holes in wool hose (maybe, the French was too much for me) - socks patterned or decorated with cartoon images - socks made of wool or cotton for women (not sure if this is saying do or don't) - nylon stocking for men (not sure if this is saying do or don't, either) Pants - pants with inappropriate leg length, wrong size, too tight on rear end. - pants without belt - pants with creases (again, good or bad?) The skirt - too tight at the waist and at the back - too short - with a visible liner The shirt and blouse - dirt collar and cuffs - sleeves too short - too narrow at the chest or waist - avoid wearing short-sleeved shirts and - [lost me here, something with buttons] The tie • tied so as to be too short or too long • knot is not suitable for the shirt • knot not adapted to the shape of the face The jacket / blazer - sleeves too short / long - inadequate shape / cut at the shoulders (not sure on this one) - too narrow at the chest or waist - sleeves visible / identifiable (?) - jacket worn open Jewelry - jewelry disproportionate in size and quantity - jewelry ? - necklace / bracelets on men - piercings and visible tattoos Hands - fingernails dirty and not maintained - artificial or fancy-colored fingernails - rough or cracked skin Hair - hair dirty and not maintained - neck unshaven with short haircuts - died or bleached hair showing old-colored roots - damaged fingernails Underwear - underwear visible through clothing / sticking out from clothing Most seems common sense, some of it confused me. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 3:52:22 AM EDT
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From the "don't" page - need an assist from a better French speaker: The tie • tied so as to be too short or too long • knot is not suitable for the shirt • knot not adapted to the shape of the face Wow...I.....Uhhhh......wow. Perhaps they should be only hiring artists or gay men? |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 7:57:36 AM EDT
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From the "don't" page - need an assist from a better French speaker: The tie • tied so as to be too short or too long • knot is not suitable for the shirt • knot not adapted to the shape of the face Wow...I.....Uhhhh......wow. Perhaps they should be only hiring artists or gay men? In that case, I should have stuck to the original French - "à la morphologie du visage" is quite the striking phrase, really. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 8:00:11 AM EDT
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n/m, messed up the quote tree
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Posted: 12/18/2010 8:07:49 AM EDT
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Well, back in the US, the banks around here have their tellers scrubbing toilets emptying trash during slack times. (Honest to God). I wonder if the UBS tellers have to do that?
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Posted: 12/18/2010 8:11:08 AM EDT
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Well, back in the US, the banks around here have their tellers scrubbing toilets emptying trash during slack times. (Honest to God). I wonder if the UBS tellers have to do that? As long as they change their shoes afterward. Actually, if I had to do this, I might show up to work with plastic shoes with "crepe soles" to spite them. 
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Posted: 12/18/2010 8:13:52 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I understand the need for corporate standards.....supporting the vision of the brand and all....but telling me how to dress with that level of detail is ridiculous. My company tells me I need to wear a tie. Fine. When they start telling me what knot to use, how long the tail in the back can be, at what point on my torso the tie may fall to, what patterns, fabric, and colors the tie can be....perhaps the issue isnt the tie in the first place....perhaps the company needs different employees. HR could spend less time on writing dress codes and simply change their interview process to recuit the type of people they are looking for in the first place. I work for a place where you arent allowed to smoke. You cant light up a ciggarette anywhere on my campus...the entire office park is smoke free. It would be about a 10 minute walk....one-way....to get to the edge of the property to have a smoke. At interviews, of course, we arent allowed to ask candidates if they smoke....that is against the rules Then, if we hire someone and it turns out they smoke, our policy is to offer them smoking cessation treatment therapies, like nicotine gum or patches. Just screen the damn candidates and hire people that fit into your culture. Some stuff just boggles the mind. Typical American. You must think like a Swiss. They are more German than Germans. The way I see it, whoever runs the company calls the shots. They get to dictate what the employees do and how they do it. But...at a point...its ridiculous. If an employer has gotten to the point where they feel the need to 'manage out' specific personality traits and personal grooming habits, perhaps they ought to hire differently from the outset. I get 'uniformity'......especially at a bank....but seriously...I like my shoes..I wore them every day this week. According to my desire for comfort, I cant work at their bank. I can only imagine what they would think of 'casual fridays' at most American based companies...especially out in the pacific northwest. Then get two pairs of the same, or similar shoes. The idea is to eliminate "that guy" in the office who always has swampfoot. Too bad they cannot seem to do something about "bad breath guy". This is UBS, not Sears Hardware store. The vast majority of UBS employees are compensated extremely well, and it is expected that they are as meticulous in their attire and attention to detail as their clients and management. I know someone that got fired from Blackstone because his shoes squeeked and Schwartzman heard it. Not having read this entire code, I would suspect that it relates primarily to anyone working in customer-facing positions or headquarters related positions. Even in the stuffiest company, the guy that has to crawl through the server racks in a refridgerated room gets cut some slack. Even regarding this dress code, it is mainly to clean up where other companies have fucked up by not being clear of where "not to go". This all used to be the standard. Now, everyone is a slob everywhere. Office women either dress in potato sacks or dress like a whore. There is very little in between in modern corporations. Men will either be total metros or be a thrown-together slob that only meets the letter of the code. (i.e. the "a tobasco sauce tie that lights up is still a tie" people) |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 8:36:06 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I understand the need for corporate standards.....supporting the vision of the brand and all....but telling me how to dress with that level of detail is ridiculous. My company tells me I need to wear a tie. Fine. When they start telling me what knot to use, how long the tail in the back can be, at what point on my torso the tie may fall to, what patterns, fabric, and colors the tie can be....perhaps the issue isnt the tie in the first place....perhaps the company needs different employees. HR could spend less time on writing dress codes and simply change their interview process to recuit the type of people they are looking for in the first place. I work for a place where you arent allowed to smoke. You cant light up a ciggarette anywhere on my campus...the entire office park is smoke free. It would be about a 10 minute walk....one-way....to get to the edge of the property to have a smoke. At interviews, of course, we arent allowed to ask candidates if they smoke....that is against the rules Then, if we hire someone and it turns out they smoke, our policy is to offer them smoking cessation treatment therapies, like nicotine gum or patches. Just screen the damn candidates and hire people that fit into your culture. Some stuff just boggles the mind. Typical American. You must think like a Swiss. They are more German than Germans. Alles ist in ordnung. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 8:36:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: From the "don't" page - need an assist from a better French speaker: Shoes - shoes dirty and not maintained, or worn heels - cotton socks with shoes - plastic shoes with crepe soles Socks - socks are too short, to where the skin is visible - holes in wool hose (maybe, the French was too much for me) - socks patterned or decorated with cartoon images - socks made of wool or cotton for women (not sure if this is saying do or don't) - nylon stocking for men (not sure if this is saying do or don't, either) Pants - pants with inappropriate leg length, wrong size, too tight on rear end. - pants without belt - pants with creases (again, good or bad?) The skirt - too tight at the waist and at the back - too short - with a visible liner The shirt and blouse - dirt collar and cuffs - sleeves too short - too narrow at the chest or waist - avoid wearing short-sleeved shirts and cufflinks - [lost me here, something with buttons] The tie • tied so as to be too short or too long • knot is not suitable for the shirt • knot not adapted to the shape of the face The jacket / blazer - sleeves too short / long - inadequate shape / cut at the shoulders (not sure on this one) - too narrow at the chest or waist - sleeves visible / identifiable (?) - jacket worn open Jewelry - jewelry disproportionate in size and quantity - flashy jewelry - necklace / bracelets on men - piercings and visible tattoos Hands - fingernails dirty and not maintained - artificial or fancy-colored fingernails - rough or cracked skin Hair - hair dirty and not maintained - neck unshaven with short haircuts - died or bleached hair showing old-colored roots - damaged fingernails Underwear - underwear visible through clothing / sticking out from clothing Most seems common sense, some of it confused me. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 8:38:19 AM EDT
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Quoted: En totale. http://www.letemps.ch/rw/Le_Temps/Quotidien/2010/12/09/Culture%20&%20Societe/ImagesWeb/Dresscode_F.pdf mais, en francais. that's actually pretty handy. like a "how to dress like a damn professional" guide. do they have an english translation? |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 8:40:46 AM EDT
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The company wants to have their public representatives dressed and groomed well. I don't have any problem with it.
Men used to dress well. Socks matching the slacks. Tip of the tie at the belt buckle. Etc. Now it needs to be spelled out. Not wearing the same pair of shoes two days in a row is just good hygiene. Put some cedar shoe trees in them so that they can dry out before you wear them again. It keeps your shoes from smelling awful and helps keep your feet from getting the fungus. Spelling out stuff like this lets the employees know what is expected. It works better than telling them "You look dishevelled" or "You smell like ass." |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 9:01:29 AM EDT
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From the "don't" page - need an assist from a better French speaker: Shoes - shoes dirty and not maintained, or worn heels - cotton socks with shoes - plastic shoes with crepe soles Socks - socks are too short, to where the skin is visible - holes in wool hose (maybe, the French was too much for me) - socks patterned or decorated with cartoon images - socks made of wool or cotton for women (not sure if this is saying do or don't) - nylon stocking for men (not sure if this is saying do or don't, either) Pants - pants with inappropriate leg length, wrong size, too tight on rear end. - pants without belt - pants with creases (again, good or bad?) The skirt - too tight at the waist and at the back - too short - with a visible liner The shirt and blouse - dirt collar and cuffs - sleeves too short - too narrow at the chest or waist - avoid wearing short-sleeved shirts and cufflinks - [lost me here, something with buttons] The tie • tied so as to be too short or too long • knot is not suitable for the shirt • knot not adapted to the shape of the face The jacket / blazer - sleeves too short / long - inadequate shape / cut at the shoulders (not sure on this one) - too narrow at the chest or waist - sleeves visible / identifiable (?) - jacket worn open Jewelry - jewelry disproportionate in size and quantity - flashy jewelry - necklace / bracelets on men - piercings and visible tattoos Hands - fingernails dirty and not maintained - artificial or fancy-colored fingernails - rough or cracked skin Hair - hair dirty and not maintained - neck unshaven with short haircuts - died or bleached hair showing old-colored roots - damaged fingernails Underwear - underwear visible through clothing / sticking out from clothing Most seems common sense, some of it confused me. Thank you! |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 9:08:51 AM EDT
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Most of it seems to be pretty common sense for anyone working in a bank.
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Posted: 12/18/2010 9:10:52 AM EDT
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The company wants to have their public representatives dressed and groomed well. I don't have any problem with it. Men used to dress well. Socks matching the slacks. Tip of the tie at the belt buckle. Etc. Now it needs to be spelled out. Not wearing the same pair of shoes two days in a row is just good hygiene. Put some cedar shoe trees in them so that they can dry out before you wear them again. It keeps your shoes from smelling awful and helps keep your feet from getting the fungus. Spelling out stuff like this lets the employees know what is expected. It works better than telling them "You look dishevelled" or "You smell like ass." Yep, get it taken care of the first day and there will be fewer trips to HR from folks complaining of one thing or another. Seems a common sense thing to me. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 9:23:12 AM EDT
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Most of it seems to be pretty common sense for anyone working in a bank. Bingo! It's a client-facing job. The company is trying to maintain a certain appearance for its clients. You don't like it? GTFO. RF |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 9:28:14 AM EDT
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Most of it seems to be pretty common sense for anyone working in a bank. Bingo! It's a client-facing job. The company is trying to maintain a certain appearance for its clients. You don't like it? GTFO. RF This |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 9:29:36 AM EDT
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Page 1: UBS Dress code [pictures of clothing items]
Page 2: Table of Contents [rest blank] Page 3: [actual table of contents, heading was on facing page] 4 Introduction 5 Objective of this Dress code 5 The garment as a means of non-verbal communication 6 The UBS Dresscode 7 What makes up this Dresscode? 8 Guidelines 9 The UBS Dress code for Women 11 The Tailor and the pantsuit 13 The blouse 15 UBS accessories for women 16 Scarf and neck wrap / knot technique 17 Shoes and belts 19 The personal touch 20 Jewelry 20 Careful makeup 20 Hands 21 Hair 21 Use of perfume and deodorant 22 Fresh breath 22 Underwear and tights 24 Care of clothing 26 The UBS Dress code for Men 28 The suit 30 The shirt 32 UBS accessories for Men 33 Techniques for tying a tie 34 Shoes and belts 35 The belt 35 Footwear 36 Socks 36 Jewelry 36 Underwear 37 Neat and stylish 38 Shaving 38 Face cleaning 38 Hands 38 The haircut 39 Facial hair 39 Use of perfume and deodorant 39 Care of clothing 41 Check your look! |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 9:45:02 AM EDT
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Sorry, this was Page 5, page 4 just says "Introduction": Objective of this Dress code The mission of our business is is essentially to build solid relationships with our customers, our shareholders and our environment on the basis of mutual respect. Meeting the needs of our customers and building lasting relationships are central to the point of our business. Through impeccable behavior in our daily interactions with all our stakeholders, we contribute directly to strengthening the image of UBS as a company with integrity and awareness of its responsibilities. UBS's reputation is our greatest asset. Adoption of impeccable behavior also implies presenting yourself impeccably. Customer advisors are often the first point of contact for our customers and are perceived as representatives of UBS. Clothing as critical nonverbal communication This Dress code, which dictates a neat appearance and a correct presentation, helps to communicate our values and our culture. Through this we convey how we feel about these specific true, clear and performance-oriented concepts: sound management, responsibility and honesty, conscientiousness, reliability and consistency, and respect of the highest professional standards. Our style of dress often reflects our mode of action. Individuals are primarily judged on their appearance. Dark gray, black and dark blue colors symbolize competence, formality and seriousness. A flawless appearance can bring a sense of inner peace and security. Taking into account the fact that ones first impression is a decisive factor, we have now developed and proposed this Dress code. This highlights the professionalism of our bank. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 9:54:32 AM EDT
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We all want to welcome you to the bank. Me an Ilsa will be tending to your account. Now, in what denomination would you like that transfer?
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Posted: 12/18/2010 10:12:34 AM EDT
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Heck, I'm taking notes. This is good stuff if you are a jeans and polo guy that needs to dress up periodically.
RR |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 10:17:24 AM EDT
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Standards are a good thing. When people look sharp they tend to do their jobs better.
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Posted: 12/18/2010 10:20:54 AM EDT
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It's a business. If that's what they want that's what they get. Don't like it find a new job. No one is held hostage or a slave. They will either lose quality people if they go to far and change back or they will get a workforce that follows their rules.
No different than a uniform in any other industry. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 10:26:38 AM EDT
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OK, its not 43 pages of single spaced text on what is required and verboten. There are many full-page art photos of clothes and accessories, a page on how to tie windsor or four-in-hand knots in your neckties... its how to dress for business work from A to Z. Another overdrawn media circus over nothing. Also, if you read carefully , much of it is suggestions. They are very specific about some things though.
BTW, I am 100% in support of a strict dress code and wish more industries in the US would start doing it again. Absolutely, they are an employer trying to create a certain image their business relies on. Nothing in their demands or suggestions is lewd, inappropriate or demeaning to the employee. In fact, its mostly just sound hygiene and proper business attire acumen. If anything the employee should be embarrassed if these things had to be pointed out to them. Don't like it, go work somewhere else. This. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 10:30:16 AM EDT
[#40]
I imagine that a lot of investment banks in the U.S. have similar (if not more draconian) rules - they are jsut not codified into a written guideline.
One of my former students that took a job with Bear Stearns told me about how insanely anal-retentive they were about everything, down to the number of paper clips and rubber bands each employee would be "issued" and had to keep track of. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 10:31:53 AM EDT
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I don't miss culture-wide dress codes. (Social hygiene is completely different - you can be clean and still dress "sloppy")
Slavish adherence to formal ritual is a sign one has nothing better to think about. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 10:31:56 AM EDT
[#42]
Quoted: I imagine that a lot of investment banks in the U.S. have similar (if not more draconian) rules - they are jsut not codified into a written guideline. Yep, here they just shitcan you rather than going to the trouble of telling you that you're not dressed right. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 10:31:58 AM EDT
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Page 6: The UBS Dress Code
Page 7: What does this Dress code consist of? Page 8: The Dress code is part of the UBS brand and supports our efforts to be considered as a first class financial institution. In this UBS Dress code we define an assortment of clothing items designed to give our staff a stylish and professional look while highlighting their skills and personality. Guidelines These guidelines are intended for all employees and PKB compliance is mandatory. Senior executives are required to ensure and monitor Dress code compliance and ensure that staff display a neat appearance. Guidelines for the Dresscode • "Dress code for UBS to the attention of employees of PKB" is part of the guidelines applicable to all PKB employees. • UBS Accessories shall under no circumstances be worn privately. • Each PKB employee is itself responsible for their own good behavior and cleanliness of their clothes. • Obsolete UBS accessories should be destroyed or discarded. Masculine terms used to designate individuals also refer to female personnel. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 10:35:08 AM EDT
[#44]
For a good read:
AFI 36-2903 AR 670-1 United States Navy Uniform Regulations 43 pages is a pamphlet compared to the above. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 10:36:02 AM EDT
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Quoted: Well... it is sure that some people may have dressed improperly, but that isnt a reason to push for a totalitarian and abusive dress code, anyway. the "dress code" isnt in discussion.. what is in discussion is the degree of details they tried to push for.  its a bank, not govt. dont like it, dont work there |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 10:38:47 AM EDT
[#46]
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I imagine that a lot of investment banks in the U.S. have similar (if not more draconian) rules - they are jsut not codified into a written guideline. Yep, here they just shitcan you rather than going to the trouble of telling you that you're not dressed right. EXACTLY! It is a lot harder to fire people in western European countries than it is in the U.S. I most states in the U.S. (at-will), the boss can say "I don't like your shoes - you're fired!" In most W. European countries, that would be impossible. So the reason the rules are codified may be so that unprofessional dress is technically a "violation of company policy" that can be used as part of the "paper trail" to justify the firing of an employee. I am sure that as long as someone is profesionally dressed, nobody is running around with rules checking the length of skirts, or checking the cotton content of socks. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 10:47:37 AM EDT
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Page 8, oops, 9
The UBS Dress code for Women The Women's Dress code: - Plainly tailored pantsuit colored dark gray, black or dark blue - White blouse, preferably a shirt - UBS Accessories: neck wrap or scarf - Closed shoes, black and classic - Black belt |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 11:02:11 AM EDT
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Page 10 is just photographs of examples of authorized women's clothing or accessories
Page 11: The suit and the pantsuit [written over a large image of a part of a suit] Page 12: The suit and pantsuit Dresscode directive: Classic business attire all one color dark gray, black or dark blue. These pieces are very flattering, their cut is light, and they offer a high level of comfort. The resulting silhouette is elegant, slender, and without any impression of being cramped. The jacket must remain smooth, even when buttoned and should not compress your body. Skirts and pants are (for positions seating or standing) to provide sufficient coverage / size and be able to adjust themselves. The skirt should not go back when you walk. The perfect skirt length is in the middle of the knee and may extend down to two inches below the knee (measured from the middle of the knee). Tips and Advice - While blazers are equipped with pockets, they were not designed to contain a large number of personal effects or accessories (keys, tools, etc..). it is preferable to leave these pockets empty, so they do not deform unsightly. - A jacket should be buttoned closed. When seated, it must always be open. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 11:03:52 AM EDT
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If you don't like it - don't work there.
Professional firms need to establish a corporate dress code that they can enforce to deal with the very few mavericks that want to engage in personal expression at the office. I think dress codes are much more needed today than 20 years ago - as a LOT of people dress like bums, take little interest in their personal appearance and basically just don't care how their appearance reflects upon the firm. A dress code policy is the only means to enforce it. I don't believe that they go around measuring fingernails. I HAVE seen women with those gross 2-3" curling fingernails - the sight of which make me want to puke. I have seen men come to work wearing pajamas. Women dressed like hookers. Young women with neon tinted hair. The list is endless. Corporations that rely upon putting a consolidated and consistent image forward need dress codes. If you don't like it - go work elsewhere. |
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Posted: 12/18/2010 11:06:31 AM EDT
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* Michelle Obama quietly withdraws job application *
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