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Posted: 10/20/2016 8:39:07 AM EST
We are slowly getting replaced with h1b guys here who coordinate with offshore ppl in India to do things like development and QA activities. These guys work very long hours and on weekends.
I have been at the company a while and thus i understand how all the systems integrate and who "owns" what system (tribal knowledge) so i get asked to help them do stuff all the time. Most of the time I don't because a) why should I and b) im so busy woth my own work im putting in 60-70 hour weeks anyway. Today I'm getting incredible pressure to come in this weekend. I said under no uncertain terms that I am not working and asked why I needed to be there. I have admin level access to some stuff and they need to use it blah blah so I granted my manager admin access as well and told him this (the outsourcing) was his idea so he can come help them. Just after that one of the onshore guys pulls me aside. I asked him why they were busting their asses on such a low priority thing. Apparently the managers told a group of then they'd help them with citizenship if they would work extra hard. What in the fuck. These guys are very young, very green, and while I'm no expert in immigration law I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way. Our company has strict policies about not helping with anything related to immigration. We lost a whole lot of awesome senior people recently because of this policy change. Back in the day we'd sponsor visas indefinitely so our core group of senior people (who held tribal knowledge as well) were contractors on visas. New upper management comes in and says we are wasting money paying engineers, let's get out of visas and let's keep engineering under $40/ hour. So all the visa guys are gone within a month and now they are squeezing out us Americans in favor of "cheaper" offshore. (Hint: it's not cheaper and we can prove it.) Even if legally we could help them gain citizenship, I know for sure our company isn't going to. So these guys are working extra hard probably for nothing. And not allowed to Bill more than 40 hours a week too, per our manager. Is this shit legal? Ethical, no. Im out interviewing anyway. Fuck this noise. This place is fucked the fuck up. In before "why do you hate capitalism, bro". Tldr; h1b is a shitty thing and my boss sucks. |
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This place is fucked the fuck up. In before "why do you hate capitalism, bro". Tldr; h1b is a shitty thing and my boss sucks. View Quote Then find new employment OP. You're not happy where you are, and sounds like the writing is very much on the wall. A.W.D. |
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Get out while you have the upper hand. Unless you plan on being that guy that keeps all the legacy stuff running that they just can't shut down and you can live with that. It sounds like it is where you are heading.
I left a place after 12 years that was doing the exact same thing. Watching a company can and sideline people who had a major part in its success is demoralizing. |
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in IT here. All the companies I've worked for refuse to hire any h1b or sponsor green carders, it's a lot of hassle and they know Americans do better work anyways. I suggest just getting out of there, sounds like they want to save a buck but will learn the hard way when shit turns into a clusterfuck there.
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All I care about is getting good support, and I never get that from any outsourced IT company.
Heck I was buying an advertisement for a trade show publication, then last year, they outsourced the billing and wanted me to give my CC info to some guy overseas. Nope, no thanks, I don't need to advertise in your publication any more. |
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What did he mean by "managers will help with citizenship"?
There's really not much a line manager can do to help with that. And they'd have to first get a green card, which can take upwards of 6-8 years. <- tech recruiter for a Fortune 500 technology company that does a lot of immigration visa transfers. |
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Yeah that whole "new upper management" thing is why the company I loved no longer has any designers, managements poor decision making and arrogance combined with Sales butting in where they don't belong and driving product design ran EVERY designer off. Good luck hiring product designers to come to po dunk MS LOL.
It always seems like the people making the decisions take for granted the experience, passion, and knowledge of the people actually doing the creating. |
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in IT here. All the companies I've worked for refuse to hire any h1b or sponsor green carders, it's a lot of hassle and they know Americans do better work anyways. I suggest just getting out of there, sounds like they want to save a buck but will learn the hard way when shit turns into a clusterfuck there. View Quote So what they do in the cases I have seen is contract with big head shops that handle all the H1B and Green card issues and sub them out. |
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What is Tribal Knowledge? View Quote I would guess, "institutional memory." An understand of how systems, people, corporate policy, etc., interrelate. Something with a certificate in SAP or something will have no clue about. Management greatly under rates the value of these things in their push to save a buck, get a good recommendation, and move to another company before the crap they have pulled blows up in their faces. |
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An employer must pay for all hours worked. Federal law stuff.
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Quoted: What did he mean by "managers will help with citizenship"?There's really not much a line manager can do to help with that. And they'd have to first get a green card, which can take upwards of 6-8 years. <- tech recruiter for a Fortune 500 technology company that does a lot of immigration visa transfers. View Quote Nothing like hooking them up with an American gal for the K1 visa. Or promising that. |
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They must do amazing work since INS dissolved in 2003. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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INS is fast tracking immigrants. They must do amazing work since INS dissolved in 2003. Then how about this for a statement? Considering CBP's track record of being able stop nearly nothing how we outsource that? |
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Time to start looking bro......
Sounds like your current employer has drunk the Offshore kool-aid and there's no turning back. One of two things will happen. 1: They'll shit-can you because you're an impediment to their out-sourcing plans. To hell with the ramifications of lost knowledge, impacted operations, etc. After all, all they have to do is hire enough Indians and shit gets done automatically. 2: They'll have you 'train' your replacements over time by attaching it to your performance goals for the year, then shitcan you. It's all about the money, they have zero clue how shit works and see you as a secretary and any Abu can do they job. |
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Oh I'm interviewing for sure. Had two last week, a phone screen this week and two more next week.
Yeah tribal knowledge is the oil that keeps us moving forward. Undocumented horse manure. Example: "The vendors on Project Stupiname didn't know they had to also insert records in productX db table so the confirmation email can send. after they delivered code we made an etl job to do that as a workaround. Stupiname 2.0 couldn't get funding and ops quoted 30k for a server to host the job on. So it was either snail mail which isn't happening or host this etl on an old desktop under Don's desk. Don't ever turn it off. " |
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Then how about this for a statement? Considering CBP's track record of being able stop nearly nothing how we outsource that? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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INS is fast tracking immigrants. They must do amazing work since INS dissolved in 2003. Then how about this for a statement? Considering CBP's track record of being able stop nearly nothing how we outsource that? Not being able to stop what? |
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Our company has lots of job "openings" but only people with a certain particular country of origin are getting hired in. At the same time they are setting up "intern pipelines" from state universities for lots of noobs. Also we are outsourcing lots of "assets" to Tech Mahindra (this is an Amish company if you need to look it up).
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What is Tribal Knowledge? View Quote In material handling an example may be: you have a chute dumping material onto another conveyor. In certain cold weather conditions it freezes and clogs up. Tribal Knowledge the maintenance guys is knowing you can hit one spot on the chute with a 16" adjustable wrench to unclog it, a hammer wont work, a 24" wrench wont work, 6" in any direction wont work. I has to be a 16" wrench in one spot, and this information is passed form one maintenance guy to the next. They don't know why it works, but it does and has been handed down over the years. Magic. |
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Quoted: Then find new employment OP. You're not happy where you are, and sounds like the writing is very much on the wall. A.W.D. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: This place is fucked the fuck up. In before "why do you hate capitalism, bro". Tldr; h1b is a shitty thing and my boss sucks. Then find new employment OP. You're not happy where you are, and sounds like the writing is very much on the wall. A.W.D. |
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OP needs to go undercover, get it all on tape and hand it off the Sean Hannity at FOX.
H1-B Visa fraud and immigrant manipulation. |
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An employer must pay for all hours worked. Federal law stuff. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote Not necessarily in this case the H1B's could be from an outsourcing company with a flat rate contract and the H1b's are exempt employees meaning no over time has to be paid. Companies that hire H1b's are supposed to publish the job and prove they tried to hire an US citizen. They get around this by laying people off then contracting with an H1b shop like Tata or Wipro or the other one mentioned in this thread (it's an Amish company ) |
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We are slowly getting replaced with h1b guys here who coordinate with offshore ppl in India to do things like development and QA activities. These guys work very long hours and on weekends. I have been at the company a while and thus i understand how all the systems integrate and who "owns" what system (tribal knowledge) so i get asked to help them do stuff all the time. Most of the time I don't because a) why should I and b) im so busy woth my own work im putting in 60-70 hour weeks anyway. Today I'm getting incredible pressure to come in this weekend. I said under no uncertain terms that I am not working and asked why I needed to be there. I have admin level access to some stuff and they need to use it blah blah so I granted my manager admin access as well and told him this (the outsourcing) was his idea so he can come help them. Just after that one of the onshore guys pulls me aside. I asked him why they were busting their asses on such a low priority thing. Apparently the managers told a group of then they'd help them with citizenship if they would work extra hard. What in the fuck. These guys are very young, very green, and while I'm no expert in immigration law I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way. Our company has strict policies about not helping with anything related to immigration. We lost a whole lot of awesome senior people recently because of this policy change. Back in the day we'd sponsor visas indefinitely so our core group of senior people (who held tribal knowledge as well) were contractors on visas. New upper management comes in and says we are wasting money paying engineers, let's get out of visas and let's keep engineering under $40/ hour. So all the visa guys are gone within a month and now they are squeezing out us Americans in favor of "cheaper" offshore. (Hint: it's not cheaper and we can prove it.) Even if legally we could help them gain citizenship, I know for sure our company isn't going to. So these guys are working extra hard probably for nothing. And not allowed to Bill more than 40 hours a week too, per our manager. Is this shit legal? Ethical, no. Im out interviewing anyway. Fuck this noise. This place is fucked the fuck up. In before "why do you hate capitalism, bro". Tldr; h1b is a shitty thing and my boss sucks. View Quote If they're ripping off their contractors, it is not legal. If they do it under the pretense that they will help the contractors get citizenship as long as they let them cheat them out of a thousand or so dollars a week, I think that's a federal crime. |
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sounds like management lied to them to get them to work extra hours for free. hopefully you set them straight.
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What did he mean by "managers will help with citizenship"?There's really not much a line manager can do to help with that. And they'd have to first get a green card, which can take upwards of 6-8 years. <- tech recruiter for a Fortune 500 technology company that does a lot of immigration visa transfers. View Quote Really, tech recruiter????? What company do you tech recruit for, and how long? From homeland website: Green Card Through a Job Offer: You may be eligible to become a permanent resident based on an offer of permanent employment in the United States. Most categories require an employer to get a labor certification and then file a Form I-140, Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker, for you. |
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Quoted: In material handling an example may be: you have a chute dumping material onto another conveyor. In certain cold weather conditions it freezes and clogs up. Tribal Knowledge the maintenance guys is knowing you can hit one spot on the chute with a 16" adjustable wrench to unclog it, a hammer wont work, a 24" wrench wont work, 6" in any direction wont work. I has to be a 16" wrench in one spot, and this information is passed form one maintenance guy to the next. They don't know why it works, but it does and has been handed down over the years. Magic. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: What is Tribal Knowledge? In material handling an example may be: you have a chute dumping material onto another conveyor. In certain cold weather conditions it freezes and clogs up. Tribal Knowledge the maintenance guys is knowing you can hit one spot on the chute with a 16" adjustable wrench to unclog it, a hammer wont work, a 24" wrench wont work, 6" in any direction wont work. I has to be a 16" wrench in one spot, and this information is passed form one maintenance guy to the next. They don't know why it works, but it does and has been handed down over the years. Magic. |
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In material handling an example may be: you have a chute dumping material onto another conveyor. In certain cold weather conditions it freezes and clogs up. Tribal Knowledge the maintenance guys is knowing you can hit one spot on the chute with a 16" adjustable wrench to unclog it, a hammer wont work, a 24" wrench wont work, 6" in any direction wont work. I has to be a 16" wrench in one spot, and this information is passed form one maintenance guy to the next. They don't know why it works, but it does and has been handed down over the years. Magic. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What is Tribal Knowledge? In material handling an example may be: you have a chute dumping material onto another conveyor. In certain cold weather conditions it freezes and clogs up. Tribal Knowledge the maintenance guys is knowing you can hit one spot on the chute with a 16" adjustable wrench to unclog it, a hammer wont work, a 24" wrench wont work, 6" in any direction wont work. I has to be a 16" wrench in one spot, and this information is passed form one maintenance guy to the next. They don't know why it works, but it does and has been handed down over the years. Magic. Yep pretty much this. Inside knowledge of processes, procedures and equipment that is not in any manual. Typically knowledge learned OJT and past on verbally and never proceduralized in print, passsed from one team member to another. I happen to be the fucking chief at my job. Tribal knowledge phrase has been around and used for at least 25 years. |
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Ding ding ding. Do it OP. Your country needs you. Will you answer the call? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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OP needs to go undercover, get it all on tape and hand it off to Sean Hannity at FOX Donald Trump. H1-B Visa fraud and immigrant manipulation. Ding ding ding. Do it OP. Your country needs you. Will you answer the call? Holy shit I could go O'Keefe on 'em. That's tempting. I can't walk around with a gopro on my forehead, I gotta look into concealable cams. In the grand scheme of things this has to be like a gnat fart in a hurricane though, I'm sure 99.9% of bigger companies do shit like this. |
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Quoted: Technical expertise of undocumented or poorly documented procedures or applications. Usually 1 or 2 people who implemented and maintained the project will be well versed in it. Happens a lot with in house developed apps. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: What is Tribal Knowledge? truth! in my department I am the senior guy who still remembers how to do things before the "manual" was updated without actual formats and procedures. I'm the old crazy medicine man! LOL
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Working them extra long hours w/o pay isn't legal but lots of companies do it. PG&E here in CA had a bunch of Indians working for below minimum wage answering phones. They (immigration officials) found 15-20 of them living in a single house in Barstow or some fucking place and they were being paid 5$ an hour LOL.
We should go back to the old rule that companies could only bring in immigrants if they could prove that there were no Americans to do those jobs. Fuck H1B. |
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Makes sense.....
you know you can buy cheap ass bolts from China that look just like those expensive Aircraft grade bolts. |
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Whenever one of our H1B guys tries to tell me something interesting I can't understand them.
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We are slowly getting replaced with h1b guys here who coordinate with offshore ppl in India to do things like development and QA activities. These guys work very long hours and on weekends. View Quote In my experience that's because they're extremely bad at what they do. 200% effort to make up for 50% skill. Because they'll take 40% pay. Our last outsourced project went way over budget and was 2 months late and was still so terrible that we threw it away and started over. One the phone calls, it became obvious they he was working out of what amounted to a call center, because in the background we could hear dozens of other conversations going on and he said there was nowhere quieter he could go with a phone. What you're talking about has some eerie echoes of the second Project Veritas video. At any rate, it sounds like your ship is taking on water rapidly. |
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H1B's are the brain slave portion of their "unaware and compliant citizenry" they want to replace us all with for their plan to work.
Illegals are their worker bee "unaware and compliant citizenry". Their final solution is to outnumber and outbreed the white male of European decent. |
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Most places here just get the h1bs and have high turnover. Recruiter in the area has soooo many on his candidates list, it's insane.
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In material handling an example may be: you have a chute dumping material onto another conveyor. In certain cold weather conditions it freezes and clogs up. Tribal Knowledge the maintenance guys is knowing you can hit one spot on the chute with a 16" adjustable wrench to unclog it, a hammer wont work, a 24" wrench wont work, 6" in any direction wont work. I has to be a 16" wrench in one spot, and this information is passed form one maintenance guy to the next. They don't know why it works, but it does and has been handed down over the years. Magic. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What is Tribal Knowledge? In material handling an example may be: you have a chute dumping material onto another conveyor. In certain cold weather conditions it freezes and clogs up. Tribal Knowledge the maintenance guys is knowing you can hit one spot on the chute with a 16" adjustable wrench to unclog it, a hammer wont work, a 24" wrench wont work, 6" in any direction wont work. I has to be a 16" wrench in one spot, and this information is passed form one maintenance guy to the next. They don't know why it works, but it does and has been handed down over the years. Magic. This made me smile. I would get paid hourly + mileage + per diem to drive 5hrs. and hit a conveyor with a brass hammer. Production managers would get PISSED OFF when I wrote that on the service report though. "Tribal Knowledge" eh? Noted. |
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H1B's are the brain slave portion of their "unaware and compliant citizenry" they want to replace us all with for their plan to work. Illegals are their worker bee "unaware and compliant citizenry". Their final solution is to outnumber and outbreed the white male of European decent. View Quote Amusingly I work with a few white European H1-Bs. |
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Amusingly I work with a few white European H1-Bs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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H1B's are the brain slave portion of their "unaware and compliant citizenry" they want to replace us all with for their plan to work. Illegals are their worker bee "unaware and compliant citizenry". Their final solution is to outnumber and outbreed the white male of European decent. Amusingly I work with a few white European H1-Bs. Asian H1B's and illegals to replace Americans of white European decent then, old stock. Unaware and Compliant races for their grand society. |
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Holy shit I could go O'Keefe on 'em. That's tempting. I can't walk around with a gopro on my forehead, I gotta look into concealable cams. In the grand scheme of things this has to be like a gnat fart in a hurricane though, I'm sure 99.9% of bigger companies do shit like this. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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OP needs to go undercover, get it all on tape and hand it off to Sean Hannity at FOX Donald Trump. H1-B Visa fraud and immigrant manipulation. Ding ding ding. Do it OP. Your country needs you. Will you answer the call? Holy shit I could go O'Keefe on 'em. That's tempting. I can't walk around with a gopro on my forehead, I gotta look into concealable cams. In the grand scheme of things this has to be like a gnat fart in a hurricane though, I'm sure 99.9% of bigger companies do shit like this. Call O'Keefe. He has some pretty good concealed video/audio set ups. |
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This made me smile. I would get paid hourly + mileage + per diem to drive 5hrs. and hit a conveyor with a brass hammer. Production managers would get PISSED OFF when I wrote that on the service report though. "Tribal Knowledge" eh? Noted. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What is Tribal Knowledge? In material handling an example may be: you have a chute dumping material onto another conveyor. In certain cold weather conditions it freezes and clogs up. Tribal Knowledge the maintenance guys is knowing you can hit one spot on the chute with a 16" adjustable wrench to unclog it, a hammer wont work, a 24" wrench wont work, 6" in any direction wont work. I has to be a 16" wrench in one spot, and this information is passed form one maintenance guy to the next. They don't know why it works, but it does and has been handed down over the years. Magic. This made me smile. I would get paid hourly + mileage + per diem to drive 5hrs. and hit a conveyor with a brass hammer. Production managers would get PISSED OFF when I wrote that on the service report though. "Tribal Knowledge" eh? Noted. Your new title is "Percussive Maintenance Engineer" |
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We are slowly getting replaced with h1b guys here who coordinate with offshore ppl in India to do things like development and QA activities. These guys work very long hours and on weekends. I have been at the company a while and thus i understand how all the systems integrate and who "owns" what system (tribal knowledge) so i get asked to help them do stuff all the time. Most of the time I don't because a) why should I and b) im so busy woth my own work im putting in 60-70 hour weeks anyway. Today I'm getting incredible pressure to come in this weekend. I said under no uncertain terms that I am not working and asked why I needed to be there. I have admin level access to some stuff and they need to use it blah blah so I granted my manager admin access as well and told him this (the outsourcing) was his idea so he can come help them. Just after that one of the onshore guys pulls me aside. I asked him why they were busting their asses on such a low priority thing. Apparently the managers told a group of then they'd help them with citizenship if they would work extra hard. What in the fuck. These guys are very young, very green, and while I'm no expert in immigration law I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way. Our company has strict policies about not helping with anything related to immigration. We lost a whole lot of awesome senior people recently because of this policy change. Back in the day we'd sponsor visas indefinitely so our core group of senior people (who held tribal knowledge as well) were contractors on visas. New upper management comes in and says we are wasting money paying engineers, let's get out of visas and let's keep engineering under $40/ hour. So all the visa guys are gone within a month and now they are squeezing out us Americans in favor of "cheaper" offshore. (Hint: it's not cheaper and we can prove it.) Even if legally we could help them gain citizenship, I know for sure our company isn't going to. So these guys are working extra hard probably for nothing. And not allowed to Bill more than 40 hours a week too, per our manager. Is this shit legal? Ethical, no. Im out interviewing anyway. Fuck this noise. This place is fucked the fuck up. In before "why do you hate capitalism, bro". Tldr; h1b is a shitty thing and my boss sucks. View Quote What they are doing is likely illegal under the H1B law. |
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What is Tribal Knowledge? In material handling an example may be: you have a chute dumping material onto another conveyor. In certain cold weather conditions it freezes and clogs up. Tribal Knowledge the maintenance guys is knowing you can hit one spot on the chute with a 16" adjustable wrench to unclog it, a hammer wont work, a 24" wrench wont work, 6" in any direction wont work. I has to be a 16" wrench in one spot, and this information is passed form one maintenance guy to the next. They don't know why it works, but it does and has been handed down over the years. Magic. This made me smile. I would get paid hourly + mileage + per diem to drive 5hrs. and hit a conveyor with a brass hammer. Production managers would get PISSED OFF when I wrote that on the service report though. "Tribal Knowledge" eh? Noted. Your new title is "Percussive Maintenance Engineer" Nah. I'm just a simple hammer mechanic. |
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I have been in IT for over 20 years. it is in a state of collapse since about 2000. the only good jobs are in DC area and a gov sub. I have been downsized a dozen times or more. hard to find anything long term. all the jobs are permatemp. |
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Asian H1B's and illegals to replace Americans of white European decent then, old stock. Unaware and Compliant races for their grand society. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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H1B's are the brain slave portion of their "unaware and compliant citizenry" they want to replace us all with for their plan to work. Illegals are their worker bee "unaware and compliant citizenry". Their final solution is to outnumber and outbreed the white male of European decent. Amusingly I work with a few white European H1-Bs. Asian H1B's and illegals to replace Americans of white European decent then, old stock. Unaware and Compliant races for their grand society. lol |
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