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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:18:11 PM EDT
Why isn't he in trouble for shooting the guy in the back? While RUNNING AWAY!! I know he has been deadly and violent in the past, but he was running away and not threatening the officer at the time. He should have been tazed or something. I know that if Joe Blow saw the guy and he took off running away, and Joe shot him, he would be a criminal! Yes, I already know the answers.....it was a cop doing the shooting....he had killed a cop before....he was white so it doesn't matter...
I am just tired of everybody calling him a hero while the other cop that shot the black man in the back is admonished. I do get it though. I wish all cops could and would do what he did in that situation. But in our legal system, a cop can't be judge, jury, and executioner. He can't (Legally) see the guy, watch him run and then shoot to stop him!! I didn't want to find the other threads so I don't care if this is a dupe. 
I am just wondering aloud about the hypocrisy of the media and others. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:18:52 PM EDT
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he knew there'd be no riots
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:19:48 PM EDT
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Probably because fleeing felon that was known to be a danger to the public.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:20:23 PM EDT
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I agree OP - He should have shot him in the left heel.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:20:25 PM EDT
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The same reason that an inmate could be shot off of a prison fence.
Tennessee vs Garner |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:20:29 PM EDT
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I think fleeing felons are legal to shoot in the back.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:20:40 PM EDT
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Fleeing felon law, not sure if NY state has it but most likely.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:21:30 PM EDT
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Fleeing felon, extremely dangerous, etc, etc.
They probably would have shot him if he tried to give up. That would be O.K. as well. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:21:50 PM EDT
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Cool! Good to know! Thanks for the replies! Guys a hero then! I wonder if a CCW holder can do the same if they had seen him first?
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:22:35 PM EDT
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Anyone could've shot that scum fuck in the back with no worries.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:23:11 PM EDT
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He has special knowledge that his individual was
A.) an escaped convict. B.) was a murderer. C.) was armed and a danger to the public. And yes if Joe public saw him and shot him in the back 6 times it would be ruled a good shoot. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:23:28 PM EDT
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I need a new TV, are we rioting tonight?
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:24:08 PM EDT
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OP, you are wrong on this one... even you, as a citizen, can kill someone fleeing arrest if you have reason to beleive that person will commit violence and that you have to stop them from committing that violence.. any reasonable jury would conclude that the BG would stop at nothing to evade capture and killing / maiming would occur if he is not stopped. I say good shoot.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:24:35 PM EDT
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He has special knowledge that his individual was A.) an escaped convict. B.) was a murderer. C.) was armed and a danger to the public. And yes if Joe public saw him and shot him in the back 6 times it would be ruled a good shoot. He could have fired a warning shot or just let the guy go. There's no need to go around killing guys who just turned their lives around. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:25:10 PM EDT
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He could have fired a warning shot or just let the guy go. There's no need to go around killing guy who just turned their lives around. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He has special knowledge that his individual was A.) an escaped convict. B.) was a murderer. C.) was armed and a danger to the public. And yes if Joe public saw him and shot him in the back 6 times it would be ruled a good shoot. He could have fired a warning shot or just let the guy go. There's no need to go around killing guy who just turned their lives around. I want to believe you're joking but with whats going on in GD lately...... 
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:25:28 PM EDT
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He is a fleeing convicted murderer who escaped from prison.
Shoot him in the back, shoot him in the front, shoot him in the ass. It's all good. Eta: All he did was accelerate his execution, if He dies. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:25:37 PM EDT
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OP, you are wrong on this one... even you, as a citizen, can kill someone fleeing arrest if you have reason to beleive that person will commit violence and that you have to stop them from committing that violence.. any reasonable jury would conclude that the BG would stop at nothing to evade capture and killing / maiming would occur if he is not stopped. I say good shoot. I'm not worried about a reasonable jury. It's the unreasonable ones that scare me. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:25:58 PM EDT
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I think its more than a fleeing Felon. Fleeing felon is someone that has committed a felony But hasn't been convicted of such crime.
Escaped prison felon is much worse I think and probably can be shot on sight if resisting. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:26:15 PM EDT
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Anyone hear the distance of the shot? Think on one of the cable channels they said it was over hundred yards with a handgun.
Good shootin' Tex!!!!! |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:26:49 PM EDT
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Anyone hear the distance of the shot? Think on one of the cable channels they said it was over hundred yards with a handgun. Good shootin' Tex!!!!! 60ish yards? |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:27:22 PM EDT
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The cop is a hero. And a good shot. Took a man down on the run with two COM hits at distance with a pistol. Not many people can do that.
ETA - As mentioned already, Tennessee v. Garner. I am sure anyone involved in the manhunt was thoroughly apprised of the legality of shooting both of those scum. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:28:01 PM EDT
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I need a new TV, are we rioting tonight? 
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:30:20 PM EDT
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Are you fucking kidding?
Txl |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:30:25 PM EDT
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Probably because fleeing felon that was known to be a danger to the public.  Deadly force is authorized for escaping prisoners. It is also authorized for fleeing felons if they poise a danger to the public.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:31:01 PM EDT
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How did the cop know the convict wasn't on his way to a gay wedding?
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:35:34 PM EDT
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Are you looking for a real answer or a funny answer?
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:36:10 PM EDT
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Tennessee vs. Garner.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:38:54 PM EDT
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How did the cop know the convict wasn't on his way to a gay wedding? Now that would change everything... 
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:39:18 PM EDT
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Deadly force is authorized for escaping prisoners. It is also authorized for fleeing felons if they poise a danger to the public.
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Probably because fleeing felon that was known to be a danger to the public. Deadly force is authorized for escaping prisoners. It is also authorized for fleeing felons if they poise a danger to the public.
That is an issue with those that are uneducated about the law. A prisoner has been convicted for a crime and sentenced. He can be forced to do labor and has a reduction in rights. A person that just committed a crime or is in custody and not convicted, is completely different. You have 2 different rules for capturing or recapturing the different categories. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:39:20 PM EDT
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Why isn't he in trouble for shooting the guy in the back? While RUNNING AWAY!! I know he has been deadly and violent in the past, but he was running away and not threatening the officer at the time. He should have been tazed or something. I know that if Joe Blow saw the guy and he took off running away, and Joe shot him, he would be a criminal! Yes, I already know the answers.....it was a cop doing the shooting....he had killed a cop before....he was white so it doesn't matter... I am just tired of everybody calling him a hero while the other cop that shot the black man in the back is admonished. I do get it though. I wish all cops could and would do what he did in that situation. But in our legal system, a cop can't be judge, jury, and executioner. He can't (Legally) see the guy, watch him run and then shoot to stop him!! I didn't want to find the other threads so I don't care if this is a dupe.
I am just wondering aloud about the hypocrisy of the media and others. You are ignorant of Tennessee v. Garner. Trooper Sergeant is a Firearms Instructor and is a master at applying case law. Please show me the case law that prohibits shooting armed, fleeing felons in the back? |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:40:11 PM EDT
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Now that would change everything... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How did the cop know the convict wasn't on his way to a gay wedding? Now that would change everything... Maybe they escaped so they could be married. That way they could not be prosecuted for having sex in prison. They were trying to time it right for the SCOTUS ruling. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:40:19 PM EDT
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Probably because fleeing felon that was known to be a danger to the public. This.. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:41:13 PM EDT
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POLICE!!! DON'T.......aw, screw it. .....proper stance....proper grip....proper sight alignment....proper...
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:45:50 PM EDT
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Is this a serious question? Nice to know that you assume wrongdoing without any knowledge of the most basic use of force case law there is.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:48:28 PM EDT
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He could have fired a warning shot or just let the guy go. There's no need to go around killing guys who just turned their lives around. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He has special knowledge that his individual was A.) an escaped convict. B.) was a murderer. C.) was armed and a danger to the public. And yes if Joe public saw him and shot him in the back 6 times it would be ruled a good shoot. He could have fired a warning shot or just let the guy go. There's no need to go around killing guys who just turned their lives around. After all, the guy had just got out of prison.  Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:48:28 PM EDT
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Probably because fleeing felon that was known to be a danger to the public. This. Murder someone, go to prison, escape prison... something something something stupid prizes. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:49:28 PM EDT
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Fleeing felon who was refusing to obey commands is a legal shoot. Especially a currently supposed-to-be-incarcerated one.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:51:01 PM EDT
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Probably because fleeing felon that was known to be a danger to the public. get the fuck out with facts and shit. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:51:04 PM EDT
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what i want to know is why the state police aren't issued ar15's. Especially in upstate ny.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:52:01 PM EDT
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Do you even Article 35? Bro?
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:54:49 PM EDT
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60ish yards? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone hear the distance of the shot? Think on one of the cable channels they said it was over hundred yards with a handgun. Good shootin' Tex!!!!! 60ish yards? Noice. On a running guy even. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:55:13 PM EDT
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Fleeing felon, extremely dangerous, etc, etc. They probably would have shot him if he tried to give up. That would be O.K. as well. This. Fuck that douche bag |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:55:38 PM EDT
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How many got into trouble for their unregistered assault weapons with all the cops going into homes?
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:56:57 PM EDT
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You had me going for a minute. Nice Troll!!!!!
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:58:44 PM EDT
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Tennessee vs. Garner. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:59:48 PM EDT
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Probably because fleeing felon that was known to be a danger to the public. This |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:00:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:00:34 PM EDT
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Any escapee (felon) that does not comply instantly you drop the hammer on them. Running away even more so. That's sorta the whole point.
The only two objects of a manhunt is to: (1) Protect the public from the escaped felon. (2) Capture escaped felon. Alive was fine, dead or wounded was OK too. There is no consideration at all for the escaped convict. No warning shot or shit like that. The convict has to comply instantly to your commands or be ventilated. We were trained to shoot them center of mass. Usually one round of #4 buck took care of things. If they survived then fine, if they bled-out before help arrived then they died. Once the convict was on the ground you were not to render any assistance, you did nothing but cover him till help arrived. If the convict lived you went to court to give him more time. If he died you simply never heard anymore about it on a official basis. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:01:01 PM EDT
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They should have let these guys get to Mexico.
Only fair since we get so many of their shitbirds. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:01:09 PM EDT
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Wrong color.
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