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Posted: 9/8/2004 4:35:26 PM EST
What are we going to bitch about here?
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 4:36:09 PM EST
Ohhh we will find something. Shit we just had a Mangina thread for crying out loud
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 4:38:20 PM EST
Let's see . . . .

Hey ! ! ! Where in the $%^& are the 200 Glock, 100 Beretta, and the 200 AR mags I ordered ! ! ! Placed the order two weeks ago and still no mags ! ! ! ! !


How's that ? ? ? ?
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 4:40:02 PM EST
The fact we cant get current mil surp ammo? Or somesuch thing.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 4:40:37 PM EST
8 weeks to go, presumptuous to say that Kerry will lose.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 4:54:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
What are we going to bitch about here?




1986 MG ban. That's the next one.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:00:25 PM EST
My prediction: Localized bitching will replace nationwide bitching. Those poor souls who are unfortunate enough to live in police states like California and Maryland will still have plenty to complain about.

Plus, as Spade mentioned, there are still a few Federal gun laws on the books that need purging.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:02:08 PM EST
'86 and '68 need to be abolished. Then we can work on '34. Then we can get rid of that '89 import ban, then i dont know.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:03:08 PM EST
Well we could always point and laugh at Kerry for awhile. After that ? I'm out of ideas.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:04:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2004 5:05:28 PM EST by Greenhorn]
It's "lose", not "loose".

Oh wait, you had it right. My bad. I must just be used to seeing it the wrong way around here.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:17:34 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:23:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
What are we going to bitch about here?



There are still lots of cops around.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:26:27 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:30:31 PM EST
"I don't got no pie!!!"


Actually, there will be more than enough morons winning in local and national elections to keep our pissing and moaning to a maximun, trust me.....
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:31:50 PM EST
You think that Feinstein and the Brady Bunch are going to just quietly go away? Oh, we'll have PLENTY to bitch about, trust me.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:32:36 PM EST
We'll bitch that we don't have enough money to buy gun stuff because the F'ing DemocRATs over tax us.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:03:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By coondog:
Well we could always point and laugh at Kerry for awhile. After that ? I'm out of ideas.



Hell, after that we can quit politickin and go shooting!
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:06:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By WinstonSmith:

Originally Posted By coondog:
Well we could always point and laugh at Kerry for awhile. After that ? I'm out of ideas.



Hell, after that we can quit politickin and go shooting!


No we can't. Do you really think the antis are going to just roll over and quit after the sunset? What I'm trying to say is, they're not going to quit and neither can we.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:14:50 PM EST



Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:19:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:
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Exactly.

Always have a project.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:22:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
What are we going to bitch about here?



No offense meant-- especially to those from my old home state.....

But I'll still be bitching about folks who say it's over LONG before it's over. We've got a LOT of work to do before we can declare mission accomplished and move to new fronts.

Mike
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:24:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By prebans:

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
What are we going to bitch about here?



No offense meant-- especially to those from my old home state.....

But I'll still be bitching about folks who say it's over LONG before it's over. We've got a LOT of work to do before we can declare mission accomplished and move to new fronts.

Mike

Seriously??? You think it might still pass???
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:28:08 PM EST
I don't have a crystal ball, but I also don't see any more gun legislation going away.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:31:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By Spade:

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
What are we going to bitch about here?




1986 MG ban. That's the next one.

when hell freezes over
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:34:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:

Originally Posted By Spade:

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
What are we going to bitch about here?




1986 MG ban. That's the next one.

when hell freezes over





The best thing I would think is the 89 ban, 86 would be hard to fight without alot of earlier victories.

I expect some overseas companies might would help in the right against the 89 import ban.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:36:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By Spade:

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
What are we going to bitch about here?




1986 MG ban. That's the next one.



I'm on board with that.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:42:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2004 7:44:05 PM EST by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By brasspile:

Originally Posted By TwoTwentyThree:
'86 and '68 need to be abolished. Then we can work on '34. Then we can get rid of that '89 import ban, then i dont know.



Just go for '34. It was the foundation. The rest will fall.



Or realistically, just go for 922(o), the CLEO sig requirement, and the 'Sporting Purposes' tests...

NICS and the FFL system can stay, they're harmless... Ditto for the NFA

It's the new MG ban and the 'sporting purposes gun ban'...

Oh, and the Sporting Purposes/89 ban is the next logical one to run thru, since it's close to the 94 ban and inneffective without it...
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 11:07:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2004 11:09:09 PM EST by Kihn]
'86 was good except for the last second voice vote/ gavel-end-of-session trickery Dems (who controlled the House/ committees) pulled to tack on the MG ban. A perception thing- who's gonna chance their seat when elections roll around about being for MGs in ordinary citizens hands. Remember this is around time of school shooting in Cali.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:37:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By Kihn:
Remember this is around time of school shooting in Cali.


Actually, the first widely publicized Cali school shooting was around 1989.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:43:57 AM EST
How about South African Battle packs? Or is that old news to bitch about?

Pie
IBTL
It's a trap...
get both
pooper, pics...
F U Arock
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 4:57:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By tcsd1236:
8 weeks to go, presumptuous to say that Kerry will lose.



The fat lady has not sung yet.

Madame Lazonga also predicts that the Brady Bunch and crew will try and pull a fast one, either before or after the AWB sunsets....
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:14:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/9/2004 5:17:27 AM EST by prebans]

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:
Seriously??? You think it might still pass???



This time around, no-- it's definitely going away for now.

My question is for how long it's going to stay sunsetted. I suppose a window for accomplishing some builds is nice, but I'd rather have it DEAD. It'll come up again next year- and if we have "President Kerry," there's a good chance we'll be in under a new ban... Perhaps a permanent one. Perhaps a stricter one.

It's time for some fun; we've all earned it. However, gun owners must never allow themselves to forget what happened over the last decade. Everything we won here can be gone, lengthened, and made worse with a penstroke.

That's why I advocate caution. It ain't over.

It ain't ever over.

Mike
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:21:51 AM EST
Sounds to me like someone is counting chickens.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:23:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By tcsd1236:
8 weeks to go, presumptuous to say that Kerry will lose.




You're a very negative person.


45 states and maybe Cal...and I have been saying that for 6 months now.


SGatr15
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:50:32 AM EST
A FEDERAL, cosmetic based, AWB is dead and won't be coming back..........ever. Since there is no way to craft a FEATURE based AWB without snaring Grandpa's huntin iron as well, we won't see one of those either at the Federal level. As much as it makes fun reading here, no one in Washington really wants another gun ban, even that Senator from California. Its all election year politics.

What we will see is the anti effort moving on to the States, Counties and major cities. THIS is where the danger now lies. If my chrystal ball was working, I suspect it would show me a Federal Court case in the not too distant future that would once and for all strike these bans down on Constitutional grounds. Until then, we all had better start keeping an eye on our own backyards. California like bans are lurking around several corners.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:56:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By brasspile:

Originally Posted By TwoTwentyThree:
'86 and '68 need to be abolished. Then we can work on '34. Then we can get rid of that '89 import ban, then i dont know.



Just go for '34. It was the foundation. The rest will fall.



Or realistically, just go for 922(o), the CLEO sig requirement, and the 'Sporting Purposes' tests...

NICS and the FFL system can stay, they're harmless... Ditto for the NFA

It's the new MG ban and the 'sporting purposes gun ban'...

Oh, and the Sporting Purposes/89 ban is the next logical one to run thru, since it's close to the 94 ban and inneffective without it...



I wouldnt say NFA is harmless... the CLEO signature needs to go at the very least.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 5:59:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By rickinvegas:
A FEDERAL, cosmetic based, AWB is dead and won't be coming back..........ever. Since there is no way to craft a FEATURE based AWB without snaring Grandpa's huntin iron as well, we won't see one of those either at the Federal level. As much as it makes fun reading here, no one in Washington really wants another gun ban, even that Senator from California. Its all election year politics.

What we will see is the anti effort moving on to the States, Counties and major cities. THIS is where the danger now lies. If my chrystal ball was working, I suspect it would show me a Federal Court case in the not too distant future that would once and for all strike these bans down on Constitutional grounds. Until then, we all had better start keeping an eye on our own backyards. California like bans are lurking around several corners.



when was the last time a gun case went to the SC?

i really dont see that happeneing
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 6:04:33 AM EST

Originally Posted By Triumph955i:
when was the last time a gun case went to the SC?



You must have been looking at another post, I didn't mention the Supreme Court.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 6:07:32 AM EST
No more bitching for us just laughing at the socialist democRats while they BITCH BITCH BITCH!!!!

Link Posted: 9/9/2004 6:12:47 AM EST
What about the import ban?

I Want My SIG 550 NOW!

Link Posted: 9/9/2004 6:14:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By Blued-Steel:
What about the import ban?

I Want My SIG 550 NOW!




Have a little faith in the free market. Demand = Supply
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 6:17:59 AM EST
Hey...it's not over, and it will never be over.


NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO BECOME COMPLACENT. THEY WILL TRY AND TRY AGAIN TO TAKE OUR FREEDOMS AWAY.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 6:55:53 AM EST
We all know that there will be other bans, it's just the nature of the beast. We appear to have won this time, but as we say in the Coast Guard...some days you fuck the bear, but most days the bear fucks you. I really do worry about getting complacent, especially during times like this when we get something on our side. They will just keep hammering at it, we all know that. Some things are just plain STUPID, like the '94 ban. Others, we sometimes seem to bitch about just because we can bitch. The '89 import ban is also stupid to me, but when we get into NFA laws, pick your fights carefully. Sometimes argueing just for the sake of argueing can be counter-productive. Anyone that's married knows that...
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:16:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By USCGflyer:
We all know that there will be other bans



We do? I don't "know" that.

This Country's legal history is absolutely STREWN with "bans" that once gone have never (and will never) come back.

Women and blacks used to be "banned" from voting in many States. Booze used to be "banned". Interracial marriage used to be "banned". Stores open on Sunday, Lawyers advertising etc etc etc. The list is literally ENDLESS.

It's one thing to be vigilant against REAL threats to our liberties, it's quite another thing to just swing wildly in the dark at ASSUMED threats. In short, we need to turn our "iron bombs" into "smart" ones.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:26:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By rickinvegas:

Originally Posted By USCGflyer:
We all know that there will be other bans



We do? I don't "know" that.

This Country's legal history is absolutely STREWN with "bans" that once gone have never (and will never) come back.

Women and blacks used to be "banned" from voting in many States. Booze used to be "banned". Interracial marriage used to be "banned". Stores open on Sunday, Lawyers advertising etc etc etc. The list is literally ENDLESS.

It's one thing to be vigilant against REAL threats to our liberties, it's quite another thing to just swing wildly in the dark at ASSUMED threats. In short, we need to turn our "iron bombs" into "smart" ones.





I very much agree my friend, in particular with the Prohibition analogy. I hope for our sake you are correct and we never have to deal with this again. In any case, we can't let up.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 7:29:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By brasspile:

Originally Posted By TwoTwentyThree:
'86 and '68 need to be abolished. Then we can work on '34. Then we can get rid of that '89 import ban, then i dont know.



Just go for '34. It was the foundation. The rest will fall.



Or realistically, just go for 922(o), the CLEO sig requirement, and the 'Sporting Purposes' tests...

NICS and the FFL system can stay, they're harmless... Ditto for the NFA

It's the new MG ban and the 'sporting purposes gun ban'...

Oh, and the Sporting Purposes/89 ban is the next logical one to run thru, since it's close to the 94 ban and inneffective without it...




Dave A has got it here, CLEO signoff requirement (though that suit went nowhere is a possible fight.


The GCA 68 may be the next best step, not removing the "sporting purposes" test exactly, but amending the bill to change "sporting" to "lawful" . I mean who could be against the LAWFUL use of firearms ? Thats an easy spin to our side. "You say you are for the rights of gun owners, yet you want to ban guns with a "lawful" purpose"
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