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Posted: 7/4/2012 6:10:19 AM EDT
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Smelly...
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Posted: 7/4/2012 6:11:33 AM EDT
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overwhelming
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Posted: 7/4/2012 6:11:41 AM EDT
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. . . . dismal and depressing .
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Posted: 7/4/2012 6:20:33 AM EDT
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51,000 casualities
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Posted: 7/4/2012 6:21:11 AM EDT
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51,000 casualities Quoted:
. . . . dismal and depressing . |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 6:24:51 AM EDT
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Minus a complimentary continental breakfast...
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Posted: 7/4/2012 6:27:51 AM EDT
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I'm sure Lee was smart enough to know his dumb decision just lost the entire war.
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Posted: 7/4/2012 6:27:53 AM EDT
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I imagine that for anybody anywhere near Gettysburg the day was solemn, and reflective. The aftermath of the battle would have demonstrated that the US Government had the dedication to win the war. It would have also been obvious for anybody to see that the cost of the war was going to be the wasting of a generation. A very solemn day indeed.
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Posted: 7/4/2012 6:27:54 AM EDT
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Lee rode out and met the survivors, telling them, "It is all my fault." And to Pickett he said, "Upon my shoulders rests the blame."
Confederate causalities in dead, wounded and missing were 28,000 out of 75,000. Union casualties were 23,000 out of 88,000.
That night and into the next day, Saturday, July 4, Confederate wounded were loaded aboard wagons that began the journey back toward the South. Lee was forced to abandon his dead and begin a long slow withdrawal of his army back to Virginia. Union commander Meade, out of fatigue and caution, did not immediately pursue Lee, infuriating President Lincoln who wrote a bitter letter to Meade (never delivered) saying he missed a "golden opportunity" to end the war right there.
Link: http://www.historyplace.com/civilwar/battle.htm 
**graphic pics** http://www.historyplace.com/lincoln/lincpix/shoot.jpg http://www.historyplace.com/lincoln/lincpix/woods.jpg |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 6:31:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2012 6:33:09 AM EDT
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Isn't the 4th also the day Vicksburg fell?
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Posted: 7/4/2012 6:42:24 AM EDT
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Isn't the 4th also the day Vicksburg fell? Yep.... July 4, 1863 - Vicksburg, the last Confederate stronghold on the Mississippi River, surrenders to Gen. Grant and the Army of the West after a six week siege.
Link: http://www.historyplace.com/civilwar/index.html#gettys |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 6:48:28 AM EDT
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Isn't the 4th also the day Vicksburg fell? Yep.... July 4, 1863 - Vicksburg, the last Confederate stronghold on the Mississippi River, surrenders to Gen. Grant and the Army of the West after a six week siege.
Link: http://www.historyplace.com/civilwar/index.html#gettys Fun fact: The city of Vicksburg didn't celebrate the 4th of July again until some time during WW2. The day took on a whole different meaning for them after the civil war... |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 6:56:09 AM EDT
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Isn't the 4th also the day Vicksburg fell? Yep. It was the second time Grant captured a Confederate Army (the first was the capture of Fort Donelson in Tenn). This made Lincoln take notice of Grant's tenaciousness. He had failed in four prior attempts in a year's time to capture that city. His campaign before the Siege of Vicksburg was impressive. In two week's time he fought and won five battles which isolated Pemberton and cut him off from reinforcements. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 6:58:04 AM EDT
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Rotting flesh in hot conditions
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Posted: 7/4/2012 7:05:23 AM EDT
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Quoted: Smelly... The smell must have been absolutely revolting.  |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 7:07:16 AM EDT
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in before the sore losers
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Posted: 7/4/2012 7:10:02 AM EDT
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Isn't the 4th also the day Vicksburg fell? Yes and my great grandfather and great grand uncle were there with the 106th Illinois Infantry. My great grand uncle died there and is buried there. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 9:59:31 AM EDT
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For what it's worth Pemberton was a Pennsylvanian. Joe Johnson could have done something and didn't.
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Posted: 7/4/2012 10:03:46 AM EDT
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Quoted: For what it's worth Pemberton was a Pennsylvanian. Joe Johnson could have done something and didn't. Johnston understood the fact that there was very little he could have done; Grant had them both outnumbered. Joe Johnston was a "bad" general only in the sense that he knew the South was at a huge disadvantage from the start, and could not afford to slug it out with the better-equipped North. He was reluctant to waste the lives of his troops in order to just "do something". |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 10:04:23 AM EDT
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Grant would have kicked Joe Johnston's ass as well
On a human scale Gettysburg must have been truly depressing even after the exultation over the fall of Vicksburg for the north..for the South..unimaginable misery. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 10:09:08 AM EDT
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Isn't the 4th also the day Vicksburg fell? Yep.... July 4, 1863 - Vicksburg, the last Confederate stronghold on the Mississippi River, surrenders to Gen. Grant and the Army of the West after a six week siege.
Link: http://www.historyplace.com/civilwar/index.html#gettys Fun fact: The city of Vicksburg didn't celebrate the 4th of July again until some time during WW2. The day took on a whole different meaning for them after the civil war... I went to look at their local paper. It has a story about Independence Day and 1863. They haven't forgotten. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 10:20:40 AM EDT
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Meade should have pursued Lee and trapped him against the river. The war might have ended sooner.
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Posted: 7/4/2012 10:27:12 AM EDT
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Meade should have pursued Lee and trapped him against the river. The war might have ended sooner. Meade should have been able to advance up the James peninsula in the peninsular campaign. And anyone but Meade probably would have. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 11:13:07 AM EDT
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When Lee lost at Gettysburg the America of our Founding Fathers was lost.
From that day forward we became subjects of the Federal government, mostly run by NE Liberals. I will never visit Gettysburg because it would be too depressing to walk the ground where America was lost. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 11:17:10 AM EDT
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Were there local Yutes around to go looting? |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 11:54:49 AM EDT
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Quoted: Having toured the battlegrounds at Vicksburg I was shocked at the closeness of the battle lines. They literally could have thrown rocks at each other in places. Quoted: Isn't the 4th also the day Vicksburg fell? Yep.... July 4, 1863 - Vicksburg, the last Confederate stronghold on the Mississippi River, surrenders to Gen. Grant and the Army of the West after a six week siege. Link: http://www.historyplace.com/civilwar/index.html#gettys Gettysburg is on the bucket list. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 11:59:09 AM EDT
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I went to look at their local paper. It has a story about Independence Day and 1863. They haven't forgotten.[/quote] I marched in several 4th of July parades there in the early 80s when I was stationed at FT Polk. We were hosted by a black American Legion post. I would say the crowds were not very big. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 12:05:39 PM EDT
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Isn't the 4th also the day Vicksburg fell? Yep.... July 4, 1863 - Vicksburg, the last Confederate stronghold on the Mississippi River, surrenders to Gen. Grant and the Army of the West after a six week siege.
Link: http://www.historyplace.com/civilwar/index.html#gettys Fun fact: The city of Vicksburg didn't celebrate the 4th of July again until some time during WW2. The day took on a whole different meaning for them after the civil war... My G G Grandfather, George Washington Nelson, was a Corporal with the 37th Alabama Infantry. Only July 4, 1863, the 37th Alabama was captured at Vicksburg. He died at a very young age due to the harsh conditions he endured while a prisoner of war. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 12:10:21 PM EDT
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I hope most people looked at the retarded carnage and said "What the fuck did we just do?"
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Posted: 7/4/2012 12:23:29 PM EDT
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I visited the Gettysburg Battlefield a couple of years ago on the same July days when the battle occurred and rode the entire site on horseback. It gave an amazing perspective of what it must have been like during those awful days. It is hard to imagine the scope of carnage that occurred there.
When Lincoln came on November 19th 1863 to give his famous Gettysburg Address, they say the smell of death on the battlefield was still overwhelming even after several months. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 4:27:20 PM EDT
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So I actually posted this in another thread, but I think it's fitting to include it here as well...
Iced Earth - Gettysburg Video |
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