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Posted: 1/7/2012 6:08:09 PM EDT
During the national ban period was anyone ever prosecuted for possessing an illegal "assault weapon" or high cap mag? I never read about it, but at the time I wasn't really looking for it either. Like most I just followed the rules.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 6:11:14 PM EDT
Feather Arms is a good maybe.
Look them up.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 6:59:18 PM EDT
FJ Vollmers got busted for buying LE Steyr AUG's, but beat the feds. I know of one city cop who went to jail for getting high caps LE mags and was selling them. Feds sent him to jail!
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:06:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2012 7:09:32 PM EDT by maleante]
Originally Posted By P08:
FJ Vollmers got busted for buying LE Steyr AUG's, but beat the feds. I know of one city cop who went to jail for getting high caps LE mags and was selling them. Feds sent him to jail!


Vollmer was aquitted if I remember correctly. Also, Vollmer's AUG's were at one point legally in the country, but the ATF decided to rescind the importability in '89... technically it wasn't the '94 AWB, but it was an "AWB".
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:11:14 PM EDT
There was some "hinky" shit going on with OLY back in the day too. I never got the full gist of it but if you were doing the Puyallup show (As I was)
back around Y2K it wasn't all THAT rare to get offered a box of new/stripped/stop-sign receivers for a hundred bucks a pop

There were a LOT of conspiracy theories going on at the time over their "provenance" and of course, the fire at their HQ (That destroyed a lot of their records)
just added to all that but, short of the lowers that were (Allegedly) sold to some biker gang by a friend or business partner of Bob Schuetz I never heard if
there was some massive crackdown on them.


Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:11:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2012 7:13:42 PM EDT by maleante]
Here's some info on the Vollmer AUG's. Pretty interesting to see how it all went down.



The Secretary of the Treasury, Nicholas Brady, acting through
the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms ("BATF"), imposed a
temporary ban on the importation of various semi-automatic rifles,
including the Steyr AUG-SA. At that time, GSI held valid BATF
permits for the importation of Steyr AUG-SA rifles and had already
remitted payment to the manufacturer for over 1,000 rifles. When
the Steyr AUG-SA rifles arrived in the United States, however, they
were seized by the United States Customs Service.

GSI filed suit against the Secretary of the Treasury in the
Northern District of Alabama, seeking to enjoin the government from
interfering with the delivery of the firearms. The district court
granted the injunctions. Gun South, Inc. v. Brady, 711 F. Supp.
1054 (N.D. Ala. 1989). On appeal, the United States Court of
Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit reversed the district court's
order, finding that BATF was acting within its authority in
imposing the temporary import ban. Gun South, Inc. v. Brady, 877
F.2d 858 (11th Cir. 1989).

Following the Eleventh Circuit's decision, the import ban on
Steyr AUG-SA rifles became permanent. The ban bars private parties
from importing Steyr AUG-SA rifles. Government agencies such as
the National Guard remain free to import the rifles for their
official use. 18 U.S.C. section 925(a)(1). Once a government
agency lawfully imports a firearm under section 925(a)(1), the
agency is not required to retain the firearm for any specific
period of time, and the agency remains free to resell it to third
parties.


In the summer of 1990, Nevius saw a GSI advertisement in the
Shotgun News, offering Steyr AUG-SA rifles for sale to law
enforcement personnel at a price of $ 1,380. He also saw F. J.
Vollmer's advertisement, which stated that it would pay $ 2,200 for
new Steyr AUG-SA rifles. Nevius then contacted GSI and confirmed
that as a military officer he was eligible to purchase a Steyr AUG-
SA rifle.

Nevius obtained an information packet from GSI setting forth
formats for the various documents required to accompany a purchase
order. Nevius prepared the necessary correspondence on his
National Guard unit's stationery to purchase two Steyr AUG-SA
rifles, including a signed statement that the firearms were being
purchased in connection with his official duties and not for the
purpose of resale. He then obtained the required supervisory
certification from a superior officer and ordered the rifles using
funds from his savings account. Upon receiving the rifles, Nevius
took them to F. J. Vollmer and sold them.

A few weeks later, Nevius put together a second transaction,
again for two rifles. Nevius asked Sergeant James McCabe, one of
his subordinates, to sign the necessary purchase order. Nevius
signed the supervisory certification himself and again withdrew
money from his savings account to finance the purchase.

Several months later, Nevius arranged another purchase, this
time for eight rifles. Because there was a limit of two rifles per
purchaser, Nevius approached four subordinates to sign the purchase
orders. All four agreed and signed statements that the firearms
were being purchased in connection with their official duties and
not for resale. In exchange for their signatures, Nevius agreed to
pay each of them either $ 100 or $ 200. (Tr. 345). To finance the
transaction, Nevius borrowed money from the First National Bank of
Taylorville, using an automobile as collateral.

Over the next seven months, Nevius put together the
documentation for five more transactions, following the same
format. In all, Nevius acquired a total of 60 Steyr AUG-SA assault
rifles and 11 Steyr AUG-SA rifle components known as special
receivers. The receivers were classified as assault rifles and
were also subject to the ban. All the assault rifles and
receivers, save one Steyr AUG-SA rifle that Nevius retained for his
personal collection, were delivered to F. J. Vollmer.

In the final transaction, Nevius ordered fourteen rifles.
After Nevius picked up the packages at the United Parcel Service
("UPS") office, he was approached by BATF agents. The agents
questioned him first at the UPS office and then at his home. They
seized the rifles and receivers just delivered as well as the Steyr
AUG-SA rifle from Nevius' personal collection.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:12:23 PM EDT
Someone remind me what The Chief went down for
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:12:33 PM EDT
Yes...for misspelling on official forms.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:13:49 PM EDT
I understand there were a few, but only in conjunction with something else, such as 2 kg of cocaine, or felon in possession.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:15:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CWO:
Someone remind me what The Chief went down for


If I remember correctly, he was forging law enforcement letters so he could import machine guns or something along those lines.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:25:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2012 7:27:26 PM EDT by Mclovin5-0]
Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:
I understand there were a few, but only in conjunction with something else, such as 2 kg of cocaine, or felon in possession.


This. Assault weapons charges have usually been used to tack on additional time to a really nasty offender or as leverage to elicit a plea bargain. Even in states with existing bans, full prosecutions are rare, usually it's just confiscations, fines and license revocations.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:30:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CWO:
Someone remind me what The Chief went down for


Who was "The Chief"?
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:39:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2012 8:03:16 PM EDT by Brassoe]

Originally Posted By maleante:
Originally Posted By CWO:
Someone remind me what The Chief went down for


Who was "The Chief"?

ChiefThunder on ak47.net and other places. Was selling mostly Bulgarian AK kits and stuff at INSANELY low prices. like mags for as low as $5 each.

I don't want to print his name in this thread but, here's a couple links. Initials are KB.

News: http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=17904
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1288917
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_64/53359_.html
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:42:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By maleante:
Originally Posted By CWO:
Someone remind me what The Chief went down for


Who was "The Chief"?


he did massive importing of ak stuff. he used to be able to get all the cool bulgarian AK stuff before gay-var. i remember when he was just getting out of prison, haven't heard anything on him in a LONG time.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:43:12 PM EDT
When did all this happen with The Chief?
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:46:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Neutral_Observer:
Originally Posted By CWO:
Someone remind me what The Chief went down for


If I remember correctly, he was forging law enforcement letters so he could import machine guns or something along those lines.


IIRC his letters WERE from an LEA, a tiny one but a real LEA nonetheless. The feds got the PD chief to testify that he really had no need for all those demonstrations, thus the demo letters were deemed fraudlent...not forged.

Chief Thunder brought use reasonably priced AK mags and Krink kits, may the good lord bless him .
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:48:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By juan223:
Originally Posted By The_Neutral_Observer:
Originally Posted By CWO:
Someone remind me what The Chief went down for


If I remember correctly, he was forging law enforcement letters so he could import machine guns or something along those lines.


IIRC his letters WERE from an LEA, a tiny one but a real LEA nonetheless. The feds got the PD chief to testify that he really had no need for all those demonstrations, thus the demo letters were deemed fraudlent...not forged.

Chief Thunder brought use reasonably priced AK mags and Krink kits, may the good lord bless him .


Thanks for clearing up the details. It's been a while since I thought about that.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:49:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By maleante:
When did all this happen with The Chief?


2003, I know some folks that bought a ton of stuff from him when he got out.

Mags, kits etc....

ATF was evidently forced to allow him to have alot of the seized items demilled and sold as kits.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:49:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By maleante:
When did all this happen with The Chief?


He got out of prison around 2008-ish, and tried to get back into selling gun accessories only since his license had been revoked, but faded from view shortly thereafter.

He spent quite a few years behind bars. He went away sometime in the early 2000s.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:52:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2012 7:52:36 PM EDT by wilNva]
During the AWB a buddy and I had a running joke where we would pound on eachothers apartment doors and yell ATF whenever we came over. One time I had a new AR kit spread out on my table and was in the process of making it ban compliant so I could assemble the gun. I was about half done and still needed to cut the bayo-lug off and all the sudden...

*BAM* *BAM* *BAM* ATF!!!

I nearly shit myself
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:52:46 PM EDT
So, why did this Chief guy go to prison?
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:53:36 PM EDT
Campybob still around?
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:53:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Jason280:
So, why did this Chief guy go to prison?


You'll know by the time you read this.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:53:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Jason280:
So, why did this Chief guy go to prison?


he was convicted
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:54:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By juan223:
Campybob still around?


That's a name that hasn't been mentioned in a while.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:56:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jason280:
So, why did this Chief guy go to prison?


http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=4&f=64&t=59171
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:56:53 PM EDT
Campybob still around?


Now this name seems vaguely familiar...
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:58:54 PM EDT

here is an old thread where Campybob forwards an info request for CT's appeal....

IIRC one of the States's angles during trail was that no LEA would use or have belt fed weapons......I recall Campy posting this on many boards, Assweb, AK.etc etc.. I know I forwarded a ton of pics of LEAs with armor and belt fed's.

On a side note, during a recent court case the State led the jury to believe that the defendant could not be a gun collector because he had military type firearms and no one "collects" those....

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/160379_chief_thunder_needs_YOUR_help___keep_him_out_of_prison_____free_mags_.html
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 7:59:24 PM EDT
The gun culture has had some colorful characters.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 8:08:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Jason280:
Campybob still around?


Now this name seems vaguely familiar...


+1
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 8:09:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Neutral_Observer:
The gun culture has had some colorful characters.


"Chief Thunder has spoken!!"

LOL.....I remember that one
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 8:10:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2012 8:11:37 PM EDT by Treadhead]

Originally Posted By The_Neutral_Observer:
Originally Posted By juan223:
Campybob still around?


That's a name that hasn't been mentioned in a while.
'bout like Diesel (Keith Gilbert). I sold him all sorts of FAL related crap a few months before HE got busted for some sort of Nazi/WN stuff. All I remember was that he and some of his friends invaded someone's (A renter or a landlord ?) house at gunpoint. Nothing with a serial number on it (That I sold him.Thank God!).

When I read that he'd been busted in the 60's for trying to blow up MLK (!) I 'bout shit myself

He always seemed like a pretty nice old dude when we met at Puyallup.


Link Posted: 1/7/2012 8:15:30 PM EDT
I think that the OP was looking more in reference to individuals getting pinched for AWB-94 violations, and not folks doing gangster gun running shit on a large scale
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 8:28:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
I think that the OP was looking more in reference to individuals getting pinched for AWB-94 violations, and not folks doing gangster gun running shit on a large scale


I only remember hearing of 2 people being charged. I don't remember all the details, but in both cases they were "add on charges", ie busted with dope and also had a post ban gun with pre-ban features. I do not remember anyone being charged with only violating the 94 AWB stuff. It would not surprise me if some people forfeited their post ban gun with pre-ban features, but were never charged with violating the law.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 8:40:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SeanC:
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
I think that the OP was looking more in reference to individuals getting pinched for AWB-94 violations, and not folks doing gangster gun running shit on a large scale


I only remember hearing of 2 people being charged. I don't remember all the details, but in both cases they were "add on charges", ie busted with dope and also had a post ban gun with pre-ban features. I do not remember anyone being charged with only violating the 94 AWB stuff. It would not surprise me if some people forfeited their post ban gun with pre-ban features, but were never charged with violating the law.


I know in CT we had a guy that walked around in public with some sort of an AK-47 on his back for the better part of a weekend going about his normal business like going to Home Depot, a Diner for lunch, the park, etc, etc in order to be prosecuted to be a test-case under the state AWB.

All it ended up doing was banning AKs in 7.62x39. AK's in 5.45, 7.62x54r, and 7.62x51 are perfectly legal though.
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