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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:23:46 AM EDT
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It's because you suck, and they hate you.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:24:38 AM EDT
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Canada's import laws are less strict than ours. But yes HK does hate us.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:25:33 AM EDT
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Why does Hk hate us,is it because we suck ?
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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:27:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: It's because unlike true operators, we compromise.Why does Hk hate us,is it because we suck ?  |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:36:59 AM EDT
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They like me.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:47:24 AM EDT
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This thread sucks and is confusing.
Canada? Different country, different laws MP7- post '86 MP5- plenty around if you havd NFA money; not made any more HK91/93/94/SP89- not made anymore UMP- abortion PSG1- you got the money, someone has one for sale somewhere P7- no longer made USP/HK45/etc- current, plenty available Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:58:35 AM EDT
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This thread sucks and is confusing. Canada? Different country, different laws MP7- post '86 MP5- plenty around if you havd NFA money; not made any more HK91/93/94/SP89- not made anymore UMP- abortion PSG1- you got the money, someone has one for sale somewhere P7- no longer made But available USP/HK45/etc- current, plenty available Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:00:44 AM EDT
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H&K was screwed by the ATF and our import laws one too many times. I can't say that I blame them. I'd love nothing more than to have a brand new MP5 (hell, even an abortion with a 16" barrel + neutered giggle switch), but it's just not worth it for them to spend money to tool up and then get slapped down again.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:01:44 AM EDT
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GCA '68. A member here said that there are supposedly transferable MP5's that got here before the ban, but I've never seen one.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:03:34 AM EDT
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HK doesn't hate you but GHW Bush did. They are not importable. Do you really think it would be worthwhile for them to make a 16" barreled,thumbhole stocked MP7 or to move manufacturing of them to the US? The idea that HK doesn't want to sell semi-auto firearms is absurd: they are in the business of making $ and if one looks at SL8 and USC sales it's pretty easy to surmise why they wouldn't want to lose $ on a jacked up looking MP7.IF they did build such a contraption,the level of asshattery and retardedness over how dumb it looks and that a .22 Magnum version would have made more sense would fill pages.
FWIW,I find the "you suck and we hate you" meme one of the stupidest in gundom,perhaps just behind Glocks being grenades. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:04:11 AM EDT
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I'd really like a MP7 in .22lr.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:05:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: I'd really like a MP7 in .22lr. Already happening with Umarex. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:08:23 AM EDT
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I'd really like a MP7 in .22lr. Already happening with Umarex. Prove it. I haven't heard anything since that interview with the HK executive when they announced the initial licensing deal. Now I can't even seem to find that. ETA: I lied. I did find the interview. http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?108123-Q-amp-A-with-HK-USA-s-President |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:10:51 AM EDT
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HK I doing some P7 importing from German PDs; i got one recently.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:16:28 AM EDT
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Bush's Fault...the other one.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:22:04 AM EDT
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Worldwide civilian sales amount to less then 8% of HK sales.... I went on two factory tours while stationed in Germany, and both times I only saw 1 cart (about 12 rifles) of their civilian SLB2000 hunting rifle being made.
Every other gun, to include pistols were being made for a Gov't contract. The plant was running 24 hours a day, 5 days a week. Remember, its capitalism. WHy go to the the costs of making things over here, when you can continue to sell unrestrictred to Mil and LEO? |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:25:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: Bush's Fault...the other one. Yeah he killed the HK91 as well as most baby-killing semi auto "assault rifle" imports. I started a thread about the topic but it died... http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1143514&light= |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:36:31 AM EDT
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Worldwide civilian sales amount to less then 8% of HK sales.... I went on two factory tours while stationed in Germany, and both times I only saw 1 cart (about 12 rifles) of their civilian SLB2000 hunting rifle being made. Every other gun, to include pistols were being made for a Gov't contract. The plant was running 24 hours a day, 5 days a week. Remember, its capitalism. WHy go to the the costs of making things over here, when you can continue to sell unrestrictred to Mil and LEO? Don't mistake that 8% number. It's HK's choice that only 8% of their sales come from civilian sales. Factories busy making guns for .mil contracts? Well you open another factory and employ more people. If this was capitalism at work, HK wouldn't purposely be stagnant and only selling 8% to the civilian market. There's money to be made but they'd rather just sit around and sue people who try to bring something to the market that maybe looks like an HK. 
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:41:50 AM EDT
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Worldwide civilian sales amount to less then 8% of HK sales.... I went on two factory tours while stationed in Germany, and both times I only saw 1 cart (about 12 rifles) of their civilian SLB2000 hunting rifle being made. Every other gun, to include pistols were being made for a Gov't contract. The plant was running 24 hours a day, 5 days a week. Remember, its capitalism. WHy go to the the costs of making things over here, when you can continue to sell unrestrictred to Mil and LEO? Don't mistake that 8% number. It's HK's choice that only 8% of their sales come from civilian sales. Factories busy making guns for .mil contracts? Well you open another factory and employ more people. If this was capitalism at work, HK wouldn't purposely be stagnant and only selling 8% to the civilian market. There's money to be made but they'd rather just sit around and sue people who try to bring something to the market that maybe looks like an HK.
Actually, they did. They added another section, and employed more people to fill MORE MIL Contracts. In the two year seperation between tours, they started to overhaul the SA80, and depot level repair G36s for the Spanish. Why go through the expense to build more factory for civilian sales, when those civilian sales could be outlawed in a single stroke of a pen? |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 10:17:38 AM EDT
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Worldwide civilian sales amount to less then 8% of HK sales.... I went on two factory tours while stationed in Germany, and both times I only saw 1 cart (about 12 rifles) of their civilian SLB2000 hunting rifle being made. Every other gun, to include pistols were being made for a Gov't contract. The plant was running 24 hours a day, 5 days a week. Remember, its capitalism. WHy go to the the costs of making things over here, when you can continue to sell unrestrictred to Mil and LEO? Don't mistake that 8% number. It's HK's choice that only 8% of their sales come from civilian sales. Factories busy making guns for .mil contracts? Well you open another factory and employ more people. If this was capitalism at work, HK wouldn't purposely be stagnant and only selling 8% to the civilian market. There's money to be made but they'd rather just sit around and sue people who try to bring something to the market that maybe looks like an HK.
Why go through the expense to build more factory for civilian sales, when those civilian sales could be outlawed in a single stroke of a pen? You say that and yet how much money have they lost over the years NOT opening up a plant here in the states and making some of the shit people would pay good money for. Like any business, if there's risk involved then pass that "risk" onto the customers and charge more money for the item. Also, who in hell has made any large sum of money without any risk involved, that's just a fact of life for any business. Sorry your capitalism comment just doesn't apply here, they are not a capitalist company, not by a long shot. In a world of compromise, some just want to sue. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 10:41:49 AM EDT
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look up German gun laws, them add in American laws and you will see why they haven't built a factory here.
German law makes to transfer tech for making of weapons out of the country. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 10:45:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/30/2011 10:50:42 AM EDT
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It might be German export laws as well. I dunno.'
But if you look at what Fabrique national has done and so has SiG, you can sell semi-assault rifles. But those are Belgium and Swiss. Isn't SiG partially german? |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 10:52:24 AM EDT
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Worldwide civilian sales amount to less then 8% of HK sales.... I went on two factory tours while stationed in Germany, and both times I only saw 1 cart (about 12 rifles) of their civilian SLB2000 hunting rifle being made. Every other gun, to include pistols were being made for a Gov't contract. The plant was running 24 hours a day, 5 days a week. Remember, its capitalism. WHy go to the the costs of making things over here, when you can continue to sell unrestrictred to Mil and LEO? Don't mistake that 8% number. It's HK's choice that only 8% of their sales come from civilian sales. Factories busy making guns for .mil contracts? Well you open another factory and employ more people. If this was capitalism at work, HK wouldn't purposely be stagnant and only selling 8% to the civilian market. There's money to be made but they'd rather just sit around and sue people who try to bring something to the market that maybe looks like an HK.
Why go through the expense to build more factory for civilian sales, when those civilian sales could be outlawed in a single stroke of a pen? You say that and yet how much money have they lost over the years NOT opening up a plant here in the states and making some of the shit people would pay good money for. Like any business, if there's risk involved then pass that "risk" onto the customers and charge more money for the item. Also, who in hell has made any large sum of money without any risk involved, that's just a fact of life for any business. Sorry your capitalism comment just doesn't apply here, they are not a capitalist company, not by a long shot. In a world of compromise, some just want to sue. If they had built a plant just for production of US G-36,UMP,MP-7s they would very likely be in the position of MSAR,Steyr USA,FN et al who have seen the market for botique "tactical" firearms evanesce. While I wish the SL8 I bought really was a G-36,I understand that during the ban era there wasn't a decent option for building a plant in the states to build what would had to have been neutered guns anyway,not to mention that production of roller guns was phased out anyway so the cries that the reason we can't buy new 91,93,94s is because they hate us is quite stupid anyway. If the market honestly was there,I am certain that they would have built them. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 1:53:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: Prove what? Umarex is making them if that is what you mean - I seen both the rifle and pistol version at the last Indy 1500 Gun show.Quoted: Quoted: I'd really like a MP7 in .22lr. Already happening with Umarex. Prove it. I haven't heard anything since that interview with the HK executive when they announced the initial licensing deal. Now I can't even seem to find that. ETA: I lied. I did find the interview. http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?108123-Q-amp-A-with-HK-USA-s-President |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 2:08:44 PM EDT
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Prove what? Umarex is making them if that is what you mean - I seen both the rifle and pistol version at the last Indy 1500 Gun show.
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I'd really like a MP7 in .22lr. Already happening with Umarex. Prove it. I haven't heard anything since that interview with the HK executive when they announced the initial licensing deal. Now I can't even seem to find that. ETA: I lied. I did find the interview. http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?108123-Q-amp-A-with-HK-USA-s-President Thanks. That's the first I've heard of it. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 2:12:58 PM EDT
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Did you happen to see a price?
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Posted: 1/30/2011 2:13:49 PM EDT
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HK handguns are top notch quality, and you do initially pay for it. And spare parts are now out there for people who like having spare parts on hand.
I've had issues right out of the box with- Beretta, Glock (a G-30 that had extraction issues right out of the box) and SIG. I've owned a number of most handguns from the major manufacturers, and HK is the only company that I've never gotten a gun with either functional or cosmetic defects right out of the box. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 2:14:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/30/2011 2:16:15 PM EDT
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I heard Canada has the mp7 in the market but that's it. And apart from preban and insanely prices MP5 kits you don't see squat! Does H&K not like us or something or is it current restrictions? From my understanding the number of semi-Mp7's is small, (Under 50) Everyone else's post pretty much got it right.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 2:24:02 PM EDT
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Their customer service sucks anyway.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 2:26:02 PM EDT
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HK doesn't hate you but GHW Bush did. They are not importable. Do you really think it would be worthwhile for them to make a 16" barreled,thumbhole stocked MP7 or to move manufacturing of them to the US? The idea that HK doesn't want to sell semi-auto firearms is absurd: they are in the business of making $ and if one looks at SL8 and USC sales it's pretty easy to surmise why they wouldn't want to lose $ on a jacked up looking MP7.IF they did build such a contraption,the level of asshattery and retardedness over how dumb it looks and that a .22 Magnum version would have made more sense would fill pages. FWIW,I find the "you suck and we hate you" meme one of the stupidest in gundom,perhaps just behind Glocks being grenades. Oddly enough, I find the "I find the '_______________________' meme one of the stupidest in gundom" meme one of the stupidest in gundom. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 2:41:02 PM EDT
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Worldwide civilian sales amount to less then 8% of HK sales.... I went on two factory tours while stationed in Germany, and both times I only saw 1 cart (about 12 rifles) of their civilian SLB2000 hunting rifle being made. Every other gun, to include pistols were being made for a Gov't contract. The plant was running 24 hours a day, 5 days a week. Remember, its capitalism. WHy go to the the costs of making things over here, when you can continue to sell unrestrictred to Mil and LEO? Don't mistake that 8% number. It's HK's choice that only 8% of their sales come from civilian sales. Factories busy making guns for .mil contracts? Well you open another factory and employ more people. If this was capitalism at work, HK wouldn't purposely be stagnant and only selling 8% to the civilian market. There's money to be made but they'd rather just sit around and sue people who try to bring something to the market that maybe looks like an HK.
Why go through the expense to build more factory for civilian sales, when those civilian sales could be outlawed in a single stroke of a pen? You say that and yet how much money have they lost over the years NOT opening up a plant here in the states and making some of the shit people would pay good money for. Like any business, if there's risk involved then pass that "risk" onto the customers and charge more money for the item. Also, who in hell has made any large sum of money without any risk involved, that's just a fact of life for any business. Sorry your capitalism comment just doesn't apply here, they are not a capitalist company, not by a long shot. In a world of compromise, some just want to sue. Not running their business the way you think they should, and even choosing not to maximize profits, hardly defines H&K or any other firm as "non-capitalist." If H&K is not a capitalist company, what is it? |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 2:49:03 PM EDT
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Quoted: GCA '68. A member here said that there are supposedly transferable MP5's that got here before the ban, but I've never seen one. Really? I always see them for sale. If I had a spare $17,000 laying around, I would probably buy one.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 2:52:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: GCA '68. A member here said that there are supposedly transferable MP5's that got here before the ban, but I've never seen one. Really? I always see them for sale. If I had a spare $17,000 laying around, I would probably buy one. Those are conversions. I have never seen an actual pre-'68 transferable HK MP5. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 2:53:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: GCA '68. A member here said that there are supposedly transferable MP5's that got here before the ban, but I've never seen one. Really? I always see them for sale. If I had a spare $17,000 laying around, I would probably buy one. Those are conversions. I have never seen an actual pre-'68 transferable HK MP5. Now you're just being picky. |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 3:13:15 AM EDT
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Quoted: Did you happen to see a price? I do not see it for the pistol as I was not interested. The carbine was just under $500 - I do not recall exact price but I want to say $485 or something like that. I passed on it as I wanted to see the reviews (to see if they were better or similar tot he colts in function/quality) however I could not find many reviews to speak of. There are a couple on youtube. I went back the show on Sat specifically to buy one of them and they had all sold... |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 3:48:34 AM EDT
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GCA '68. A member here said that there are supposedly transferable MP5's that got here before the ban, but I've never seen one. Really? I always see them for sale. If I had a spare $17,000 laying around, I would probably buy one. Those are conversions. I have never seen an actual pre-'68 transferable HK MP5. Now you're just being picky. if you saw the price between a pre-68 MP5, and all the other transferable MP5's, you'd know he wasn't "just being picky". |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 3:59:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: Bush's Fault...the other one. How? Other than curb stomping the ATF after they did the same thing they are doing now (reinterpreting the "Sporting Purposes" clause of the 68 GCA) he did not ask or force the ATF to do it. There is no Executive Order from Bush. |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 6:41:38 AM EDT
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I'd really like a MP7 in .22lr. Already happening with Umarex. The Kel-Tec RMR30 is a littel closer to the MP7's purpose though. |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 6:44:05 AM EDT
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HK doesn't hate us, they're just in business to make money; they have huge markets outside of the US, they're not going to fiddlefuck with our stupid-ass laws in order to sell here.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 6:44:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2011 7:09:09 AM EDT
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Did you happen to see a price? I do not see it for the pistol as I was not interested. The carbine was just under $500 - I do not recall exact price but I want to say $485 or something like that. I passed on it as I wanted to see the reviews (to see if they were better or similar tot he colts in function/quality) however I could not find many reviews to speak of. There are a couple on youtube. I went back the show on Sat specifically to buy one of them and they had all sold... I emailed Umarex. It will probably take a few days to hear back from them, but I haven't found anything else on the .22lr MP7 existing. Are you are sure it was this gun? You would think that it would at least be on their website: http://www.hk22rimfire.com/index.php?page=products |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 7:12:25 AM EDT
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You say that like HK owes you something?
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Posted: 1/31/2011 7:30:18 AM EDT
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It might be German export laws as well. I dunno.' But if you look at what Fabrique national has done and so has SiG, you can sell semi-assault rifles. But those are Belgium and Swiss. Isn't SiG partially german? SIG-Sauer is pretty much JP Sauer and Son. I believe they have a factory in the US. |
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Posted: 1/31/2011 7:55:36 AM EDT
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The import laws killed the HK market. When they were being brought in, you could get them cheap. Under $1k. Shit, I think most were under $800. But they can't be imported, and HK isn't going to build a plant over here to build them.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 4:07:46 PM EDT
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It might be German export laws as well. I dunno.' But if you look at what Fabrique national has done and so has SiG, you can sell semi-assault rifles. But those are Belgium and Swiss. Isn't SiG partially german? SIG-Sauer is pretty much JP Sauer and Son. I believe they have a factory in the US. As does FN. Both paid for / built for Gov't contracts. |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 4:47:43 PM EDT
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Quoted: That is not the pistol I seen... We are talking about two different things - my mistake. This is it:Quoted: Quoted: Did you happen to see a price? I do not see it for the pistol as I was not interested. The carbine was just under $500 - I do not recall exact price but I want to say $485 or something like that. I passed on it as I wanted to see the reviews (to see if they were better or similar tot he colts in function/quality) however I could not find many reviews to speak of. There are a couple on youtube. I went back the show on Sat specifically to buy one of them and they had all sold... I emailed Umarex. It will probably take a few days to hear back from them, but I haven't found anything else on the .22lr MP7 existing. Are you are sure it was this gun? http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRQ2ghn4rNGzEwR936uoNzQIZdofKQ_LkEmn6lVTCMfIU_c5a6r9A You would think that it would at least be on their website: http://www.hk22rimfire.com/index.php?page=products   Google Umarex 416 and you will find a lot on the subject if needed. Like: The huge pic is so you can see the detail - this pics does not have the pistol I seen but the google search will reveal it.  |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 5:16:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: The import laws killed the HK market. When they were being brought in, you could get them cheap. Under $1k. Shit, I think most were under $800. But they can't be imported, and HK isn't going to build a plant over here to build them. but don't they have a plant here to build the semi 416's? I imagine that tooling it up to build mp-5's/7's etc. probably wouldn't be economically viable anyway though. |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 5:55:30 PM EDT
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HK doesn't hate you but GHW Bush did. They are not importable. Do you really think it would be worthwhile for them to make a 16" barreled,thumbhole stocked MP7 or to move manufacturing of them to the US? The idea that HK doesn't want to sell semi-auto firearms is absurd: they are in the business of making $ and if one looks at SL8 and USC sales it's pretty easy to surmise why they wouldn't want to lose $ on a jacked up looking MP7.IF they did build such a contraption,the level of asshattery and retardedness over how dumb it looks and that a .22 Magnum version would have made more sense would fill pages. FWIW,I find the "you suck and we hate you" meme one of the stupidest in gundom,perhaps just behind Glocks being grenades. Oddly enough, I find the "I find the '_______________________' meme one of the stupidest in gundom" meme one of the stupidest in gundom. hmm ive never seen that one 
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