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Posted: 10/11/2007 7:37:12 PM EDT
I just read this article and thought that it made some good points, but had some rubbish in it too. What say you all?
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JASSM Program In Crisis

A JASSM being tested.
by Theodore Gaillard
Washington (UPI) Oct 11, 2007
Against Tomahawk-type cruise missiles, Russia's supersonic S-300PMU's kill ratio is listed as 0.8-0.98. The ad brochure claim may be excessively high, but a U.S. Government Accountability Office report highlighted a six-Tomahawk "stream raid" against the Rasheed airfield in which only two arrived over target after surviving far less sophisticated Iraqi defensive systems.

How ironic that more than 40 years ago the United States fielded the AGM-28B Hound Dog, an air-launched Mach 2 standoff cruise missile with 710-mile range, inertial/stellar navigation, mixed hi-lo dog-leg attack profile, and a one-megaton thermonuclear warhead.

Today? France's inertially guided ramjet-powered Mach 2-3 ASMP standoff cruise missile entered service in 1986 with a 300-kiloton nuclear warhead. Range: about 200 miles, similar to Lockheed Martin's Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile, or JASSM.

But for pinpoint strikes in non-nuclear conflicts, current U.S. and EU conventional cruise missiles -- all subsonic -- would probably not survive advanced land- or ship-based defensive systems mentioned above.

What about other countries' comparable cruise missile capabilities? You judge:

China's ramjet-powered C-301 anti-ship cruise missile: Mach 2; 80-110-mile range -- depending on variant -- 1,130-pound warhead; inertial navigation with active radar terminal guidance; operational since about 1995.

China's Russian-built Sovremenny-class destroyers carry sea-skimming Mach 2.5 carrier-busting SS-N-22 Sunburn anti-ship ramjet cruise missiles. Range: 100 miles with 660-pound conventional or 200-kiloton nuclear warheads.

Mach 2.5-2.8 BrahMos ramjet anti-ship and land-attack cruise missiles -- a Russia-India joint venture -- now deployed with the Indian navy are about to enter service with India's army. They can be air-, ship-, sub-, or land-launched; 660-pound warhead; range: 80-200 miles, depending on altitude; preset inertial navigation with alternating inertial/active radar terminal guidance. Export discussions have reportedly occurred with Malaysia, Chile, South Africa, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates.

Russia? SS-N-12 Sandbox, conventional or nuclear, 300-plus mile range, Mach 2.5; SS-N-19 Shipwreck, conventional or nuclear, 300-plus mile range, Mach 2.5, deployed for decades on Russian carriers, cruisers and Oscar-class nuclear submarines.

Operational since 1984 and offered for sale to countries in addition to China, Russia's SS-N-22 Sunburn equips Sovremenny destroyers and various patrol boats. Guidance: initially inertial, with mid-course updates via aircraft or satellite; during terminal phase it employs a multi-channel seeker and 15G evasive 'S' maneuvers. Combat Fleets of the World describes it as a "very sophisticated weapon against which other navies have yet to develop an effective countermeasure," including the United States.

Indeed, in its entire cruise-missile inventory, the United States possesses no equivalents. Forget about replacing JASSMs with other subsonic missiles. Unless we develop and deploy our own stealthy, jam-proof, inertial/GPS-guided, terrain- and wave-hugging supersonic cruise missiles, technologically more advanced adversaries will control the battle space.

(Theodore Gaillard writes frequently on defense issues. His articles and book reviews have appeared in Jane's Defense Weekly, Defense News, the Washington Times and other newspapers and journals around the country. He is a consultant to the Center for Defense Information's Straus Military Reform Project.)

(United Press International's "Outside View" commentaries are written by outside contributors who specialize in a variety of important issues. The views expressed do not necessarily reflect those of United Press International. In the interests of creating an open forum, original submissions are invited.)
Link Posted: 10/12/2007 12:38:24 AM EDT
Bump, 'cause I think you all might have been asleep when I posted this, you know, timezones and all.
Link Posted: 10/12/2007 12:44:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2007 12:49:22 AM EDT by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By Lert:
I just read this article and thought that it made some good points, but had some rubbish in it too. What say you all?
Link

JASSM Program In Crisis

A JASSM being tested.
by Theodore Gaillard
Washington (UPI) Oct 11, 2007
Against Tomahawk-type cruise missiles, Russia's supersonic S-300PMU's kill ratio is listed as 0.8-0.98. The ad brochure claim may be excessively high, but a U.S. Government Accountability Office report highlighted a six-Tomahawk "stream raid" against the Rasheed airfield in which only two arrived over target after surviving far less sophisticated Iraqi defensive systems.

How ironic that more than 40 years ago the United States fielded the AGM-28B Hound Dog, an air-launched Mach 2 standoff cruise missile with 710-mile range, inertial/stellar navigation, mixed hi-lo dog-leg attack profile, and a one-megaton thermonuclear warhead.

Today? France's inertially guided ramjet-powered Mach 2-3 ASMP standoff cruise missile entered service in 1986 with a 300-kiloton nuclear warhead. Range: about 200 miles, similar to Lockheed Martin's Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile, or JASSM.

But for pinpoint strikes in non-nuclear conflicts, current U.S. and EU conventional cruise missiles -- all subsonic -- would probably not survive advanced land- or ship-based defensive systems mentioned above.

What about other countries' comparable cruise missile capabilities? You judge:

China's ramjet-powered C-301 anti-ship cruise missile: Mach 2; 80-110-mile range -- depending on variant -- 1,130-pound warhead; inertial navigation with active radar terminal guidance; operational since about 1995.

China's Russian-built Sovremenny-class destroyers carry sea-skimming Mach 2.5 carrier-busting SS-N-22 Sunburn anti-ship ramjet cruise missiles. Range: 100 miles with 660-pound conventional or 200-kiloton nuclear warheads.

Mach 2.5-2.8 BrahMos ramjet anti-ship and land-attack cruise missiles -- a Russia-India joint venture -- now deployed with the Indian navy are about to enter service with India's army. They can be air-, ship-, sub-, or land-launched; 660-pound warhead; range: 80-200 miles, depending on altitude; preset inertial navigation with alternating inertial/active radar terminal guidance. Export discussions have reportedly occurred with Malaysia, Chile, South Africa, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates.

Russia? SS-N-12 Sandbox, conventional or nuclear, 300-plus mile range, Mach 2.5; SS-N-19 Shipwreck, conventional or nuclear, 300-plus mile range, Mach 2.5, deployed for decades on Russian carriers, cruisers and Oscar-class nuclear submarines.

Operational since 1984 and offered for sale to countries in addition to China, Russia's SS-N-22 Sunburn equips Sovremenny destroyers and various patrol boats. Guidance: initially inertial, with mid-course updates via aircraft or satellite; during terminal phase it employs a multi-channel seeker and 15G evasive 'S' maneuvers. Combat Fleets of the World describes it as a "very sophisticated weapon against which other navies have yet to develop an effective countermeasure," including the United States.

Indeed, in its entire cruise-missile inventory, the United States possesses no equivalents. Forget about replacing JASSMs with other subsonic missiles. Unless we develop and deploy our own stealthy, jam-proof, inertial/GPS-guided, terrain- and wave-hugging supersonic cruise missiles, technologically more advanced adversaries will control the battle space.

(Theodore Gaillard writes frequently on defense issues. His articles and book reviews have appeared in Jane's Defense Weekly, Defense News, the Washington Times and other newspapers and journals around the country. He is a consultant to the Center for Defense Information's Straus Military Reform Project.)

(United Press International's "Outside View" commentaries are written by outside contributors who specialize in a variety of important issues. The views expressed do not necessarily reflect those of United Press International. In the interests of creating an open forum, original submissions are invited.)


The S-300 is a light/mobile SAM system...

Cruise missiles fly in a straight line at a constant speed....

They are easy targets....

The S-300 cannot, however, intercept B-2s and F-22s....

The whole point of a cruise missile is that you fire them at defended targets in swarms, hoping a few will get through...

When you have stealth aircraft, they become less important because you no longer have to bombard a 'tough' target with swarms of unmanned buzz-bombs - you can just send a stealth aircraft to hit it directly...

As for the Russian antiship weapons, our 'countermeasure' is to kill the launch-vehicle before the missile is fired...

The T-hawk is good enough for what we PRESENTLY use cruise-missiles for - hitting targets that are not significant enough to send a manned aircraft.....
Link Posted: 10/12/2007 12:50:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2007 2:08:09 AM EDT by Tomislav]

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
The S-300 is a light/mobile SAM system...


I'd hate to see what you consider 'heavy'!

(S-300 Battery:)



ETA: I also think the effects of stealth are overrated against our 'top tier' threats, namely Russia and China. At least the F-22 is damned maneuverable and has super-cruise; I don't think I'd want to be in the first B-2 to 'test' enemy air defenses.
Link Posted: 10/12/2007 12:52:13 AM EDT
God. A cruise sounds GREAT right now.

Link Posted: 10/12/2007 1:06:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2007 1:08:13 AM EDT by toaster]

Originally Posted By 4xDawn:
God. A cruise sounds GREAT right now.




Retard.


J/k Dawn


Makes me wonder about cruise missile defense. I know we have Patriot and THAAD (Which I'm a part of.) Niether of those really fit the bill for that though.
Link Posted: 10/12/2007 1:07:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By Lert:
I just read this article and thought that it made some good points, but had some rubbish in it too. What say you all?
Link

JASSM Program In Crisis

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The S-300 is a light/mobile SAM system...

Cruise missiles fly in a straight line at a constant speed....

They are easy targets....

The S-300 cannot, however, intercept B-2s and F-22s....

The whole point of a cruise missile is that you fire them at defended targets in swarms, hoping a few will get through...

When you have stealth aircraft, they become less important because you no longer have to bombard a 'tough' target with swarms of unmanned buzz-bombs - you can just send a stealth aircraft to hit it directly...

As for the Russian antiship weapons, our 'countermeasure' is to kill the launch-vehicle before the missile is fired...

The T-hawk is good enough for what we PRESENTLY use cruise-missiles for - hitting targets that are not significant enough to send a manned aircraft.....


So essentially what you're saying is that the author doesn't understand the place of missiles in the US ORBAT?

I remember the criticism US warships got when compared with Soviet ships. The Sovs were bristling with ASMs and SAMS, whereas US ships had very little obvious weaponry. IIRC, the critics forgot that US ships usually had large magazines below decks (and that the early Spruances were deigned for ASW), and that the Sovs had to compensate for their lack of carriers. Sounds like the same argument.
Link Posted: 10/12/2007 1:56:01 AM EDT
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