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Posted: 1/3/2003 6:34:01 PM EST
There's an adversitement for it in the Feb issue of Guns & Ammo magazine, but it's not on the Kel-tec web site yet. It's a .223 caliber design with a hinged lower receiver that folds similar to the SUB-2000 carbine, but has a slightly more conventional plastic stock — it's not pistol-gripped or of the tube-style design used on the SUB carbine, and it has a slot in the bottom to store a spare magazine. The trigger guard actually fits inside the empty magazine well when the rifle is folded. Other cool features: 1. Has an integrated Picatinny rail for mounting optics. (Front sight looks identical to the SUB carbine) 2. The plastic forend folds down to form a bipod. 3. Uses "the proven M-16 breech locking and feeding system". 4. Weighs just 5 lbs. unloaded. 5. Is just 26" long when folded, 37" when open. The advertisement doesn't mention what the suggested price is, or what kind of magazines (AR-15?) it uses.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 8:09:30 PM EST
Hmm. Must go check this out tomorrow, obviously. J.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 8:49:52 PM EST
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I give up trying to link the picture --- Skibane did it. It looks cool, does it take AR mags?
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 8:51:54 PM EST
OK, here ya go... [img]http://www.ktog.org/vbulletin/attachment.php?s=3f3f5a01b664a951b4f0ceaf380ef254&postid=16039[/img] (image courtesy [b]fignozzle[/b] at Ktog.org)
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Link Posted: 1/3/2003 8:57:53 PM EST
I'm guessing that this carbine uses a unique single-stack magazine, like the SLR8-1 does. Maybe Speshul Weppins will make a mag well conversion. If indeed it does use AR magazines, and retails for less than $500, I'd buy one just for fun.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 9:17:26 PM EST
Damn, it's ugly but I kinda like it....
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Well, the AR-180B is ugly, too, but it's my kind of ugly...
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[Last Edit: 1/3/2003 9:32:23 PM EST by cyrax777]
i want a flashider on mine [:D] if i get one.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 10:23:04 PM EST
Looks like it would be super-easy for an aftermarket manufacturer to offer a pistol grip replacement for the stock/trigger assembly. Just remove one screw and you're ready to swap it out! Also, the stock looks like it's secured with a push-out pin. Replace that with a small cotterless hitch pin, and you could go from folded to ready-to-shoot in a couple of seconds —
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 10:54:06 PM EST
The big question is does it take AR mags?!? That's awesome if so...
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 11:05:39 PM EST
I kinda' like it! Let's see how long before California bans it!
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 11:13:24 PM EST
Reminds me of a cross between an AK-47 and a Monitor Lizard. [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 11:16:47 PM EST
Any idea of the price?
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 11:38:37 PM EST
why would you want a folding gun?
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 11:47:55 PM EST
Originally Posted By gaspain: why would you want a folding gun?
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Awwww, why not? I want a folding gun so I can hide it in a large gatemouth bag or toolbox and, uhhh.... I don't know why, but it's kinda, well, different. With the "bipod" deployed it really looks like an AK.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 11:54:32 PM EST
If you look closely at the ad it says that the stock holds a spare magazine. If you look really closely at the stock you can see a spare magazine that happens to resemble that of an AR-15/ M-16 series magazine.
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 12:52:06 AM EST
Would make an excellent truck gun [:)]
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Link Posted: 1/4/2003 3:06:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/4/2003 3:07:13 AM EST by GreyGhost]
Isn't this the weapon from the original Planet of the Apes?
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 3:56:33 AM EST
That folding bipod is a unique idea, I kind of like it. As for grabbing a hot barrel, true, but I think this rifle would be very handy for keeping in a trunk for those who can do so legally, and a quick shot at a coyote or raccoon, rather than sustained shooting.
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 4:23:49 AM EST
VERY interesting. I wonder if it would fit into a BMW motorcycle saddlebag? I could see a place for it on the boat too. BTW: those of you that own one of the pistol caliber carbines, how do they hold up? any problems? Local gunshop got in a slew of them, and I'm interested in the one that takes 9mm Beretta mags.
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 6:02:13 AM EST
the mag well looks deep enough for an AR mag...
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 6:12:51 AM EST
Originally Posted By Johninaustin: VERY interesting. I wonder if it would fit into a BMW motorcycle saddlebag? I could see a place for it on the boat too. BTW: those of you that own one of the pistol caliber carbines, how do they hold up? any problems? Local gunshop got in a slew of them, and I'm interested in the one that takes 9mm Beretta mags.
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I've got the SUB2000 in .40/Glock22 mags. I really like the idea of the carbine that uses the same mags as my Glock, so I carry it in my car trunk as a companion to the Glock 22 in my Glove box. I've only fired it a few times, but I was impressed with the accuracy and ease of use. The mags are a little hard to drop out, though, because of the position of the mag release. The charging handle is small and can be a pain, but the rifle really rocks when you want it to.
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 6:20:42 AM EST
The combo handguards/bipod are frickin' ridiculous.
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 6:39:20 AM EST
Actually the handguard idea is reminicint of FN Falos.
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 6:44:52 AM EST
I thought i heard kel tec was going out of business? I guess not.
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 6:53:34 AM EST
As far as I know, no, they're still in business, over in Cocoa (FL). Before this current rotation, I was shooting a couple of times (at Spaceport GC) with a fella who works there, and I am not sure but for some reason a mention about the .223 sounds familiar.
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 7:07:54 AM EST
I doubt they are going out of business unless they are total idiots, as I see those P32's EVERYWHERE. The sub 2000 in .40 is OK, but nothing to write home about.
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 8:38:21 AM EST
It would look alot better if it had a pistol grip....[:D]
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 9:23:49 AM EST
actually looks pretty nice to me..Since it doesnt have a pistol grip it should be legal in kali correct? Wonder what kind of mags it uses and if it is accurate
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 9:37:36 AM EST
Ha ha...I tried going to their web page by typing in [url]www.keltec.com[/url] Check out the message on the bottom of the page. -Nick Viejo.
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 9:46:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/4/2003 9:47:01 AM EST by Kar98]
Originally Posted By N_Viejo: Ha ha...I tried going to their web page by typing in [url]www.keltec.com[/url]
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The webpage for Kel-Tec CNC, Cocoa Florida is at [url]www.kel-tec.com[/url]. Different company, similar name.
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 9:52:57 AM EST
Excellent ..thanks for posting this and the pics.. A little semi auto steyr scout (almost) ...now if they allowed that rail over the entire length so a low power scout scope could be mounted..... I am getting one... Looks like fun.... And no evil pistol grip....you can have a flash hider... a real one...just like the M1A ...only two evil features correct?
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 10:01:53 AM EST
Originally Posted By RussBucksPA: The combo handguards/bipod are frickin' ridiculous.
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Not the first time that was put on a rifle... [img]www.darkwing.net/aaron/guns/bar/steyr_scout.jpg[/img] Love Steyr, but I'll take a Harris over their integrated bipod any day.
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 1:14:01 PM EST
If you look at the pict of the left side, the mag release does look like that of an AR series weapon. Hmmm...
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 1:29:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/4/2003 1:30:18 PM EST by Kihn]
Poor man's version of a Steyr Scout in SA. Kewl. I want one. Betcha they are proprietary 10 rd (or less) mags tho.
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 1:37:47 PM EST
It's not just ugly...but...Fugly!
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 1:39:43 PM EST
Originally Posted By 9divdoc: Excellent And no evil pistol grip....you can have a flash hider... a real one...just like the M1A ...only two evil features correct?
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The hi cap/detachable mag and the folding stock are the two evil features.
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 1:44:49 PM EST
Originally Posted By gaspain: why would you want a folding gun?
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Why on earth would anyone want a collapsable/folding stock??[:D]
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Originally Posted By right2keep: I thought i heard kel tec was going out of business? I guess not.
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My bet is they'll NEVER go out of business as long as they keep making the slimmest, lightest, most "punch per ounce", best bargain-in-a-bellygun ever made: (ta..ta..ta..daaaa!) [:D] The LEGENDARY KEL-TEC P32!!!!!!! [smash] OK, go ahead all of you Beretta Tomcat owners, whine away....but that obese, overpriced little fatty-wannabee pistol of yours with the 28lb trigger pull can't even polish my KelTec's shoes! You're not worthy! You're not worthy!
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[Last Edit: 1/4/2003 2:10:04 PM EST by Kihn]
A 16" barrel, sling attachment points, a flash suppressor and a solid forearm with a Harris attachment point would da been excellent. Haven't even seen it for real yet and am already criticizing. What a great idea though! Definitely getting one if it is reasonably priced tho.
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 3:35:10 PM EST
Actually, if you look at the bottom of the stock in the top rifle, you can see the 30 round AR mag being stored in there. Using common magazines is a smart feature of KT guns. My (actually friend's) S2k is a very very accurate and handy gun. If the price on these is reasonable, I'm going to be first in line to get one.
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 4:52:39 PM EST
The hi cap/detachable mag and the folding stock are the two evil features.
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Not sure about this, but the folding stock may not be "evil" on this rifle, since the rifle can't be fired with the stock folded. Seems to me that it's really more of a quick-disassembly feature than a folding stock, since (A.) the folded section also includes part of the fire control components, and (B.) it renders the gun partially disassembled (and inoperable).
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 5:16:10 PM EST
Originally Posted By Skibane:
The hi cap/detachable mag and the folding stock are the two evil features.
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Not sure about this, but the folding stock may not be "evil" on this rifle, since the rifle can't be fired with the stock folded.
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I have read several times that if the rifle is totally inoperable while folded, then it is a "folding rifle" not a "folding stock". Other folding KelTec rifles are considered to not have "folding stocks" using the same rule.
Link Posted: 1/5/2003 9:18:37 AM EST
Originally Posted By gaspain: why would you want a folding gun?
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So you can fold it! Duh. [:D]
Link Posted: 1/6/2003 2:06:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By gaspain: why would you want a folding gun?
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Concealed carry, of course! [}:D]
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