So...are our troops have magazine problems over in Iraq or Afghanistan?

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Posted: 10/25/2004 10:44:15 PM EDT

Magazine release problems, to be precise. (I didn't want that in the title, sounds too raunchy!) I ask because I notice that the XM8 has what appears to be the same sort of mag release you get on the AK, M-14, etc.

Are mags falling out over there? Is the AR-15 magazine system not up to par? Or is this a solution to a nonexistent problem?

Posted: 10/25/2004 11:04:17 PM EDT

[#1]

Its the answer to a question that was never asked.

Posted: 10/25/2004 11:05:07 PM EDT

[#2]

standard HK mag release.

Posted: 10/25/2004 11:06:08 PM EDT

[#3]

That type of Mag. release is ambidextrous. That's the logical explanation.

Posted: 10/25/2004 11:09:13 PM EDT

[#4]

I'll ask some of the men over there and get their opinions. I post the replies tomorrow.

Posted: 10/25/2004 11:12:12 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
That type of Mag. release is ambidextrous. That's the logical explanation.

Good point. If I cant operate it with my dominant hand though, its useless. Looks like it can though.

Posted: 10/25/2004 11:17:27 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
I'll ask some of the men over there and get their opinions. I post the replies tomorrow.

That would be awesome! Even this HK issue aside, I figure that these past few years are the first time that we have had 30-rd AR mags in use for so long under combat conditions.

FWIW, I greatly prefer the AR system over the AK AK/HK/et cetera system. Sure, their way is sturdier (more contact points?), but the AR way is faster, and I suspect that it is sturdy enough. I know I've never had a mag fall out, but it's hardly prolonged combat conditions that I am using them under.

The ambi-issue makes sense, I suppose. What are south-paws in the service supposed to do now? (I assume they release the mag with their right hand?)

Posted: 10/25/2004 11:20:20 PM EDT

[#7]

I posted your concerns at two paratrooper websites. I should have feedback by tomorrow afternoon or evening.

Posted: 10/26/2004 12:00:19 AM EDT

[#8]

You mean the clip...right?

Posted: 10/26/2004 12:15:56 AM EDT

[#9]

Tagged. Because I want to read tomorrow's responses.

Posted: 10/26/2004 12:19:28 AM EDT

[#10]

I never had any problem with the mag release in A-stan. Nor did I hear about any problems. It seemed to work just fine. It is probably a "feature" or something to make “new and improved”. They finally get our stupid rifles down to a reasonable size and shake out most of the problems and now they want to switch to fucking Buck Rogers anal probe. Now we get to start the whole process over. Oh well at least some Col. or Gen. will get a nice OER a good kick back and a nice job in the privet sector after he retires.

sorry I'm done.

Posted: 10/26/2004 12:35:04 AM EDT

[#11]

the only problems we had in Iraq with magazine issues, wasn't with magazines, it was with the cheap plastic SAW drums. Those damn things were always breaking and falling off. I had my SAW on top of the vehicle, and the plastic got so hot that it weakened and just fell off the SAW.

My team never had one problem with M16 magazines.

Our Beretta magazines didn't just suck, they were useless, completely, as in I wouldn't even think about using it if my MK-19 and SAW was empty of ammo and I was surronded by Iraqis, still wouldn't even think about using the pistol even then.

Posted: 10/26/2004 12:44:39 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
Our Beretta magazines didn't just suck, they were useless, completely, as in I wouldn't even think about using it if my MK-19 and SAW was empty of ammo and I was surronded by Iraqis, still wouldn't even think about using the pistol even then.

Those are pretty harsh words. What was it about the Beretta mags that left such a bad taste?

I've owned a beretta for quite some time (about 10 years) and haven't had any problems - so this is especially interesting to me.

Posted: 10/26/2004 1:26:34 AM EDT

[#13]

The problem is with the Checkmate mags. They have always sucked, always.
The mag body is good, you just need to put a Beretta spring and follower in it, or an aftermarket.

Posted: 10/26/2004 1:26:35 AM EDT

[#14]

I wouldn't even think about using it if my MK-19 and SAW was empty of ammo and I was surronded by Iraqis, still wouldn't even think about using the pistol even then.

If it had come down to it, you would have used whatever you had to save your ass, and you know it.

Posted: 10/26/2004 3:09:19 AM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
Magainze release problems, to be precise. (I didn't want that in the title, sounds too raunchy!) I ask because I notice that the XM8 has what appears to be the same sort of mag release you get on the AK, M-14, etc.

Are mags falling out over there? Is the AR-15 magazine system not up to par? Or is this a solution to a nonexistent problem?

www.hkdefense.us/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/xm8s2rtmain.jpg

That is one ugly ass gun.

Posted: 10/26/2004 3:10:47 AM EDT

[#16]

This is the stupidist question I have ever read!

Seriously!!!!!!

Sgatr15

Posted: 10/26/2004 3:36:34 AM EDT

[#17]

Never heard of the problem over here or the last 21 years in service. Have seen a few people not seat the magazine properly, not do a pinch test (check to see if they chambered a round) and come up on target with a empty gun (non 18s on range).

Posted: 10/26/2004 3:47:22 AM EDT

[#18]

The only way I see them having a problem is if, during a high stress situation, they fail to seat the mag properly and it never locks in place. This is a very common problem with tactical reloads.

Posted: 10/26/2004 3:59:57 AM EDT

[#19]

Our Beretta magazines didn't just suck, they were useless, completely..

i've heard this from more than a few guys that came back from the stan and iraq. checkmates must really suck.

Posted: 10/26/2004 4:25:04 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Our Beretta magazines didn't just suck, they were useless, completely, as in I wouldn't even think about using it if my MK-19 and SAW was empty of ammo and I was surronded by Iraqis, still wouldn't even think about using the pistol even then.

Those are pretty harsh words. What was it about the Beretta mags that left such a bad taste?

I've owned a beretta for quite some time (about 10 years) and haven't had any problems - so this is especially interesting to me.

The Checkmate magazines were unreliable if dirty or sandy. Considering the whole middle east is nothing else, this was a problem....

A group of us got together and sent a buddy some factory Beretta preban magazines in a care package. He never had another problem with his M9. The M9 problems in the sandbox are related directly to the Checkmate magazines.

Checkmate recently released upgrades that fix the problems from what I hear...

Posted: 10/26/2004 4:33:26 AM EDT

[#21]

There you go.

Posted: 10/26/2004 4:37:32 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
This is the stupidist question I have ever read!

Seriously!!!!!!

Sgatr15

+1

Posted: 10/26/2004 4:45:02 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
You mean the clip...right?

NO, he meant the MAGAZINE.

Posted: 10/26/2004 4:48:15 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
This is the stupidist question I have ever read!

Seriously!!!!!!

Sgatr15

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Posted: 10/26/2004 4:53:09 AM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
Quoted:
This is the stupidist question I have ever read!

Seriously!!!!!!

Sgatr15

+1